Shadowthrone

I mean we aren't in this to "protect" BK lol. There's a lot of nuance with such a term. We're in this because as Roq pointed out, there were suspicions, information flew and our best decision was to enter given what we knew. The nature of the war itself proved something I had pointed earlier, that the BKsphere on paper seemed big, but wasn't a single monolithic coalition like KERTCHOGG, which further forced our hand. A lopsided war, made us running numbers and seeing how this is our best chance and not to wait for the next war, when we'd be sitting ducks. That context is far different from being in it to protect BK. That wasn't our main motivator. I see. Pretty damning but requested to not share it. Got it. I can understand that, but if that's the case, than don't really expect us to play nice or generate good will. These "gotcha" nonsense is hilarious. I see. Welp! Looking forward to big reveal

Lol, you folk seem to think you have some great ace-in-the sleeve you've been alluding too for a few weeks. Really curious what logs these are. We've explained our reasons for joining though, but I have no idea how explaining those reasons is digging a deeper hole now.

Your question is easily answered. If BKSphere split (which I think it would have come summer, before this whole war), and folks started trying to combine those numbers, would have been open to a rolling for attempting to reach critical mass. I mean there's a variety of combinations that could have arisen but just didn't have the time to form. So here we are. I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that this agreement was created solely to protect BK, but any variety of situations. It was meant to be flexible ?‍♀️ I mean BK's numbers was the most disingenuous PR narrative that your side tried to push. But I have no idea how who views them as a threat matters or not. My point was it would have been a smarter move to let the sphere eventually separate as it would have given, the variety of moving parts/ interests and I would not have allowed something like Soup v Fark happen in the grand scheme of things, to engender trust with smaller alliances to split off.

Not necessarily no. BKsphere to me wasn't as consolidated/strong as folks made it seem, and was made up of holdovers (VG), ex-IQ (GoG), protectorates (Citadel) and had treaties with tC, that had just expanded. Given the large number of folks and its unwieldy nature, I didn't expect it to last, and saw it split given time. Mind you I expected moves for an early war, but didn't think KETOGG/Chaos would break their minisphere mantra that soon. I just didn't consider BK's number on paper a threat, and don't think it would have lasted past June/July without parts of it separating/ peeling off to do their own thing. If anything this war, solidified their need to stick together, since they'd be rolled to pieces separately under the new "fun" dynamic nonsense people were trying to push. So I didn't see this as the only playing out of that agreement, because I didn't view BKsphere with same prism that you did, and given that I knew a lot of folks involved, was content in the knowledge that it was a temporary grouping at best, that was made up of different sovereign alliances who'd have different goals. It wasn't the only war that could have happened and other things could have happened in between that changed things around. But the moment Chaos/KETOGG attempted to brute force the issue, our worst case scenario in our discussions with tS was playing out, and well we acted ?‍♀️

Lol what a bunch of bollocks again. Though still awaiting how you've concluded that tS was somehow coerced into this, or wilhelm was somehow not in the loop is funny. He did step up mid-way through a shitstorm though and we thrashed it out for a while. But again, nice try to lay the blame for something you have no idea off at our feet. Shifty posts logs about BKsphere and their plans, and that equals NPO's lying. Quite the stretch there mate.

Like I said it was never about Rose joining the war, that's Inst's take on military tactic, not our own Proof for what exactly? That we had an agreement made with tS with regards to the right to intervene? Roq did not. He did admit to Kayser stating we'd defend our interests in case folks consolidate vs any sphere. He also conceded Kayser didn't inform HS about this before we signed our treaties. So either you're intentionally misquoting @Roquentin or you're lying. Either's fine with me. Never claimed to act for any holier than thou reason, other than protecting our own interests. It was in our mutual interests to keep that project going, things change, external goal posts shift and one's left reacting to the situation as it develops. I mean I don't particularly care for minispheres or the game meta insofar as we can accomplish what we need to, with those who are like-minded. N$O was built on that, but I guess as government's change, things change and we're here now. The details being? We've looked at the details and acted accordingly. There's not much of a conspiracy, given a lot of actions are highly predictable. Nevertheless, we did what we had to at that point in time, as a preventive measure. But I'll be sure to remember to ask you for advice next time around

Not fake when it's true I've explained this a countless times. Doubt I'm particularly interested getting into it again. Feel free to read my responses in other threads.

NPO was in on it now is it? That's a fancy new narrative. I really how you keep shifting stories Buor. There weren't very many things we were in touch with BK for, and rolling you wasn't one of those iirc.

What both Roq and I have publicly stated here in and a variety of chats/radio shows, is there was an agreement with tS government (Kayser and the rest of the government in that channel), with regards to a variety of scenarios that could play out, and our response to them. We were in agreement, no two spheres should consolidate since that would put this project at risk and therefore, we'd counter. It had nothing to do with BK or any other alliance, and seemingly tS FA at that point failed to inform HS of these terms (since it was during the negotiation phase of our MD). Possibly yes. Also what went wrong probably was GoB/Guardian not selling down sooner to coordinate hits with the larger number of CoS/KT/TGH who had more planes in keeping us locked down longer. Especially when we entered fronts, it was sort of a get out of a sticky spot card, since that helped us to meatshield for the rest of coalition B for a round or two. It was risky and a hard call to make, but I guess worth it in the end, since it helped Coalition B build up faster than estimated and take control of the war in its entirety much faster. Rose being in or out of it was at best a marginal call given how the war eventually played out (also Rose's military guy going to VM.)

Firstly your premise is wrong in trying to use a secret treaty argument. Secondly, throwing in Rose wasn't really the overkill. It was the consolidation of KERTCHOGG.

Right so its on us to give up? Tough luck. Not much to spin here, you make it too easy

Nah. Coalition B doesn't really care about a white peace and are fine carrying this war to its logical conclusion. Also tip: the more folks shout for white peace, the less likely folks would actually want to listen.

Not a narrative. Just the truth You've been spewing hate, we just happen to point it out. I don't see anything else happening. I'm yet to see fake logs from us? I'm to lazy to fake logs anyway to start a war. There are much easier ways to do so, when TKR ends up giving those to us with no efforts With regards to scheming failures, your scheme this time has failed indeed. But is scheming bad? Not really. But scheming doesn't happen in a vacuum when you're actually trying to carry out those schemes, so you can't blame us for countering it, if your scheming is targeted at us. Change from what? I mean if defending ourselves is something we shouldn't change, that's fine by me. If you have some greater insight on our actions, feel free to share!

My face is quite straight, given I know what I’m talking about. Must be hard constantly covering for your leaders though!

BKs doing fine protecting itself. Our entrance to this war based off information and requiring our action. Nothing else.

One doesn’t need to find another to prove any independence, especially to you/ Chaos of all people. There’s no reason for us to fight BK and we’ve consistently said that out in public and private Hahaa. Things could change but given your actions, you’ve killed that for a while longer

I'd say that would be Coalition B as a whole. But nice spin there. You make Rush Limbaugh proud ❤️

Well seeing how I like books, and would like them not to be eaten, I doubt this will happen anytime soon

Not really no. Since you're more interested in brownie points, you have no inclination to surrender and wish to continue with the war. We're fine with that. There's no mutual agreement to be had since you don't believe you've lost, and we aren't interested in a white peace. So the same prevails. But nice try And if you aren't surrendering, than peace talks are a moot point, and we can continue harassing each other's low tier! It's great raiding experience

I mean, all you have to say is you're willing to surrender and we can start the chats whenever. Our reps did what they did, since it seems you're more interested in brownie points than any surrender negotiation

Nah. Sorry.

Welcome

Doesn't bring out her best smugness like a bigger saber no?

What a load of horse shit. I really wonder where you're getting your half-baked information regarding the NPO, I feel like I'd leak them better information at least.