EliteCanada

Precisely as expected.

I dream of a day where a man can dream his dreams and discuss them without fear of prosecution.

I feel like Moreau is the greatest troll/RPer there is, and you and Caecus are "simply" slow.

How great would it be if a mod shut it down now.

TEst protecting tS is pretty much a treaty (more or less). No joke.

Solid response. 10/10

So you admit there is something to pre-empt?

Wooosh. You completely missed what he was referring to there.

The amount of people ignoring the multiple times you've said this and trying to stir shit and posture w/o a full explanation is sad. Wait till after the post pl0x. Roy confirmed as true Snake in the Sand. #rollroy2016

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Unless (g)God(s) was the entity that was always there or was created from nothing. rofl that's bs, and yes it does. Your "world view" requires the same kind of belief system as religion except to explain the creation of the world you say "Idk, but it isn't a deity" meanwhile theists say "a Creator(s) created everything." Same belief different words (if you can be abstract enough to understand what I'm saying). And you're right your belief system doesn't explain the creation of everything via a "magic pixie," but instead you just don't have an answer for how it was all created (yet still vehemently oppose any deity to have created all rofl?) and essentially say "something something patronizing something something idk something something there is no possibility of a creator I just know this, but alas imma go ahead and say it requires no belief system something something." Talk about not understanding what theism is or at all grasping my last post. Theism is believing in a Creator(s). Nothing more nothing less. It doesn't necessarily adhere to any religion, though it can, or deny any religion. It merely states that a creator, or several, created all. It isn't necessarily political or anything of the like. We aren't talking Christianity or Islam here.

Why didn't the allies DoW too then?

Mind bogglingly so. That still falls under one of those categories.

Definitely not just a "few." I would contend that there are many many theists (if not the majority) who call themselves Christian but don't strictly follow that one religion. The vast majority of North Americans call themselves Christians, but most don't attend Church on a regular basis or have even read the bible. Seems more like theism to me. They know almost naught about their religion, and tenets, but still believe in a creator. They may call themselves Christians but in reality they're theists. The flaw is the implication that theists don't accept or know what is scientifically understood. The implication with your post that all theists believe in the writings of religious texts is also flawed. Your generalization of the vast majority of theists as followers of religious text is absurd. I would contend the vast majority of all people (in the "West" at least) believe in science and gravity and the reactions of chemicals and all that, and that a tiny minority do not. Theists would say the same. When I was saying believe it wasn't in that context or meant literally.

So now explain the fundamental flaw in your previous post.

I think your understanding of theism is off Extremely off. I might respond differently to you if you cared to learn what a theist is.

Congrats o/

o/ Mensa

True, but I think the difference between the levels of improbabilities are so minute and essentially non-existent. The belief of everything always having been here, that nothing created something (an inherent paradox), or that a creator created everything seems rather similar on the scale of believability because they all run the exact same paradox that cannot be explained. Same paradox, just another name. I agree to the second bit. Many atheists and non-atheists though are extremely intelligent thought provoking people at least.

Christians: believe in a Creator having made all. Atheists: can't explain the creation of all (can't use The Big Bang Theory to counter this because it doesn't account for why the circumstances leading up to it occurred), but still believe the Universe was created (obviously since we're still here)... Somehow? Atheists still believe in a creation of the Universe, but just not from a Creator. If I could be given clear reasonable facts and science that explained everything I would also likely be an atheist, but to me those two levels of "belief" (rhetorically speaking, not literally) are on the same level, so why not believe in a creator? Is it any more incredulous than believing in a non-creator? Imo no. Many theists would say they don't actively go around believing in the existence of a Creator, but instead they just believe that there is a Creator (whether good, bad, or indifferent not being relevant), but that the thought never really enters their mind.

I'm going to go with trolling and extract myself from this discussion.

I disagree. Impossible is impossible. It's like saying infinite + 1 is larger than infinite. That cannot be. Honestly when you said atheism is the new religion it could not be more obvious you were speaking in abstract terms with religion being rhetoric. Anyone who cared to try knew what you meant.

*Unofficially. Technically it started on September 1, 1939. Unofficially you could maybe say that. Even then you shouldn't. A world war is never solely to blame on one nation. A world war occurs due to a cataclysmic failure of a multitude of nations. Yeah, no. With or w/o the assassination of the Archduke World War I would still have started for various geopolitical/political reasons. His death only hastened the start of World War I. You could perhaps say that the Treaty of Versailles started World War II because it helped Adolf Hitler gain power and created the animosity within him that led him to seek power.

It's literally a rhetoric. And when I mean literally I mean it literally is a rhetoric. A rhetoric or hyperbole; take your pick m8.

How does it add further impossibility? It maintains the same level imo. Both "religions" (rhetorically speaking that is) both believe in things being created with no "hard" (tangible) proof.