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lol Straight up. If we notice the other side using nations that benefited from this taking advantage of it and hitting coalition B with those beiged nations we will treat it as an endorsement of the tactic. If everyone has to beige each other, then the implications get really interesting. If this doesn't matter and isn't penalized at any point, then it will be playing out.

You're coordinating with each other and the bloc leaders are in the same coalition channels. Everyone is treating it as the same war. You're just pretending on official mediums and it's a facade that falls off easily. "If at first you don't succeed just dust yourself off and beige each other." Thanks. We'll be taking it into consideration.

I'm glad it's been cleared up apparently so now it's acceptable to beige people on the same side and the same war. Akuryo's argument was the opposite, so we're good now.

Your leader had zero issues with it for a long time until people felt inconvenienced. He's in there all the logs. You can pretend you're being super moral and stuff. It's your own allies that knew everything going on. It's not my problem if you couldn't stomach playing your part in a war your alliance caused to happen in the worst possible fashion. Let's not forget. Um, you constantly recruited deserters and it was dumb to let you do that and the constant pushing was about not being able to buy more stuff. I don't think this is going work man. Like if you need to warp into a self-soothing false narrative then you don't know what actually happened in the war. There were no issues with "our agenda" until November earliest. lol We gave you the opportunity to shine at great expense and this was the thanks we got. Your alliance constantly painted itself as having cast aside as deadweight by your "friends". It was referenced a few weeks ago. Most of the hard stances we've taken are because of how the other side acted towards our intervention. Anyone who was chill got off easy. We cleared the path for you to restore your military reputation. Just because it became inconvenient for you doesn't change how we got here.

Except people on your side said he was toxic earlier, so it's clearly nothing to do with toxicity. Any toxicity we have is shared and being embraced by you. Hope that helps. He has no issues with anything except getting reported and I guess members being inconvenienced by getting hit. That's it. lol

It's one form of tedium for another. Like if we were doing real damage just by being at war, I could see the point. People don't think we're actually dominant though. That's why Sphinx said we'd be throwing in the towel to them and he leaked my response out of context. Nothing will change and you guys have set your course definitively. So what's the point? Should the positions of your alliances change and we have confidence in that then maybe, but otherwise, there isn't much to gain.

It's not about domination. The disparities are one of the reasons people didn't want to fight for long. They saw their absolute gain as somehow outweighing the relative higher gains others would get. If we had asked you to rebuild fully and let us demolish it would you have accepted if it was faster? I don't see war as inherently bad like most people here. I don't really think it's beneficial for everyone to be focused on wanting to build endlessly like they are especially when the relative gains from it aren't high and that is the source of most of our coalition's dissent. It's not about it being tedious necessarily, it's that it's getting in the way of statfarming peacefully. Sphinx's betrayal gives us no incentive to peace anytime soon as there's simply no benefit to peace with a mega-alignment of KERTCHOGG/TCW. Just keep that in mind.

No, TI said we violated it and that they were going to hit GOONS over it and other alliances in that sphere said it was a violation too. Kitschie outright told Leo that GOONS dec on TMC activated Fark. TI got preempted as a result. Sphinx was decided and their bloc channel leaked along with TMC's plot to do the beiging of coalition A nations which NP executed solo.

I said that the rationale the newer alliances provided is tied to the "NAP" being violated by the counter on TMC. All the newer stuff released shows that he was considering something for a while.

Are you being obtuse? They literally said it's supposedly because we brought them in because of TMC despite TMC being the aggressor. Their stated rationale to us is completely different. So hope you can further this narrative. TCW's reasons for hating Coal B are unrelated to any of the moral stuff. They just hate certain alliances on our side and also like to hug pixels so they see us as way for their GPA people be safe by building out of range. If it was feasible for TCW to not be inconvenienced by people getting beiged and hitting them, they would have never cared. I guess as long as their questionable allies didn't get reported.

No, you usually called us out for not being worried enough in most cases. Your about face is hilarious in this situation given your previous stances.

It's not paranoia if it's justified. This is a competitive game and everyone is hoping to get something. Calling someone paranoid when they have reasons to be apprehensive is good propaganda though. Um what? We didn't do it on the basis of Sphinx's scheming. It had been floated for a while before Sphinx executed his plot.

If all the terms were accepted we wouldn't have room to not end it. We also have no issues peacing individual parts that haven't tried to consolidate and sow further enmity as evidenced by the other topic tonight. Multiple alliances were given peace.

You didn't have a problem when having people plot against their MD partners was part of your project. The fact that it was okay for people to plot against MDs for you before is what's interesting. Every alliance you are with currently has condoned plotting against MD partners without cancelling when their political interests weren't in line. You're in a coalition with TKR, HS, SK, and many more people that have done it at some point.

Yeah you guys are champions of introspection and you're very self-critical. I've never seen a proud member of coalition A at all.

Seeker would have come back if it made progress. Sphinx has been kissy face with Coal A for a while and saying a lot to them gave them incentive to reject stuff. At this point, this isn't really about the original reasons anymore and this move is the culmination of enmity over moderation reports.

He's not gov and he was trolling, but even if it was endless then you're not being warred to death because it's impossible to be warred to death.

The lack of genuine perspective here is palpable. They are. In TMC's case this is just the culmination of their hate. The moderation rationale also applies to them. So don't try to make this an NPO thing. It has nothing to do with moderate factions. It's when one alliance wants to bankrupt a bloc and gets hit for it, they're seen as nice because they don't like long wars. Nobody's being warred to death or else this would be inconsequential. It's funny though since the case for peace was that you're already dead and have no hopes of coming back. I knew it was BS. It doesn't. He wanted to accomplish his own version of the goal(financial containment) in a quick and easy way. We don't have the luxury. You wouldn't lose your members if you haven't already. Just keep making excuses. If we had asked for TKR's rebuild fund from TKR, would you have accepted in exchange for a sooner peace? This is essentially the argument you're putting forth.

I'm glad you've revealed your reasons related to moderation for this move. It's really enlightening.

We didn't hit them for no reason. Their bloc channel leaked and they were aware it leaked. That's why they moved to TCW's server. Akuryo refused to pay the 350m to BoC. If you want to just play dumb and keep being a shill for anyone that does anything against us, cool with me though.

We literally have nothing to gain by peacing at this point regardless of any battlefield movements. Zero zippo nada. You do realize it has nothing to do with them getting attacked? lmao. TCW's partner hit BoC which obligated Camelot to asssis Are you being dumb here? It has nothing to do with PR and everything to do with TCW hating certain coalition members and the material causes are pretty well known for their discontent. They had their mind set and it has nothing to do with any PR. You're embracing someone who was going to inflict much more financial damage on you than this war could. It literally caused the war to start. So, no that's PR, it's just naked self-interest on both ends. The material is the motivator on both sides. It's kind of funny the alliance that tried to bribe someone to their side is saying this is about PR. "Swinging GOONS doesn't work? Let's get TCW on side especially since we know Sphinx loves peace."

How exactly was it refused in the past? We even have an ongoing negotiation with one coalition A alliance. It's not outsmarting; it's literally rigging. I can declare a "separate war" to do the same thing and it would just devolve into people filling slots and beiging. It's beyond flagrant and that's why no one else did it before.

It was part of a concerted action by NP. It gave it away. His isn't the only allusion. The separate wars shtick was anticipated but the separation on the site is only for visual purposes. It doesn't entail an official stance either way due to the interconnection. The initial idea was to have it as a sub-conflict but it's not viable with the current set-up on the site.

The motives aren't mysterious and Partisan is more than aware. Now no one can deny the motives when it's out in the open. You can go look in the right place for a certain screenshot.

Haven't heard much about Ameyuri in this war, but yeah everyone can acknowledge Shiho.