Popular Post Popat Posted December 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) The war between Black Skies and Brotherhood Family had ended with the following terms ~ The war between Brotherhood Family ends in a white peace. ~ Brotherhood Family rescindes thier DoW and apologizes for escalating a resolved situation. The DoW post has been removed. ~ Brotherhood Family apologizes for the initial FA interactions with Black Skies and will work with Black Skies on resetting relations. ~ Brotherhood Family and Black Skies sign a 4 month NAP. ~ All wars will either peace out or run their course. However , there were some terms which were not listed. Here is a full overview of the terms. As per Alan , only Article 1 , 2 and 6 needed to be included in the forum post. Jupiter , a member of Brotherhood Family wardodged and left for Black Skies during the war citing the reason ''Desperate times call for desperate measures''. He owed us a huge debt. We didn't do the math and allowed Jupiter to do his debt calculation himself because we did not wanted to be accused of 'making him pay what he doesn't owe' He was paying all the debt. We received the first payment on 1 October 2023 and the last payment was made on 5 November 2023. He was asked to pay the money on November 17 , 21 , 24. He was then for the last time asked on December 4 and still no payment was made. The debt owed by him to us as of now ^^^ We talked to our protector and they decided to contact Alan about the issue and reminded him that as per the treaty , Jupiter has to pay the debt back but Black Skies refused to pay the debt back. Following the advice of our protector , we have decided to not wage war on the Black Skies for the funds. The war will cause greater loses than the debt owed but we will not tolerate this violation of the peace treaty. Jupiter's 60 days have passed. Brotherhood Family declares the peace treaty signed after the war , Alan Tripped And Fell null. Brotherhood Family will not follow any peace term laid down during the peace terms both public and private and considers the whole treaty invalid. The Non Aggression Pact of 4 months has also been declared ineffective and will no longer be followed. The debt of thier government member , Jupiter the 'Wardodger' will not be forgiven and it stays as it is. The discord channel where Jupiter payed his installments have been made public for everyone to view in our discord server. Edited December 9, 2023 by Popat Fixed broken image 4 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fine Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Would be nice if your images weren't broken Quote Engager in Aristocracy. Pure Capitalistic intent. Spierdalaj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1GHT Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 The war between HS BS and SIN/Gular was started on 12th November. And you were still asking BS/Jupiter to pay back the debt? No alliance does that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Imagine expecting loan repayments during a war when even player-run businesses know better. Y’all are something else. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popat Posted December 9, 2023 Author Share Posted December 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, Lysander said: Imagine expecting loan repayments during a war when even player-run businesses know better. Y’all are something else. It is impossible for Jupiter to pay back the debt physically even if he magically gets 10 million everyday for 60 days. Black Skies have refused to pay the loan and the burden was on Jupiter. He didn't pay and due to this , Article 4 Section A of the treaty was violated. Even if there was no war , Would Jupiter have been still be able to pay? The treaty termination was not done without a reason. It has been terminated because a section of it has been violated by BS. This was a treaty signed after an alliance war not a loan given by a player run business. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popat Posted December 9, 2023 Author Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Fine said: Would be nice if your images weren't broken Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evernt Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 This just seems rather pointless and dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I see your point. Alan/Jupiter/Black Skies agreed to something and didn’t follow through. Also doesn’t look like they talked to you about a repayment plan for after the war. 2 hours ago, L1GHTSHOT said: The war between HS BS and SIN/Gular was started on 12th November. And you were still asking BS/Jupiter to pay back the debt? No alliance does that Just because SIN attacked BS doesn’t resolve Alan/Black Skies of the deal they agreed to beforehand. Alan broke the agreement. 2 hours ago, Lysander said: Imagine expecting loan repayments during a war when even player-run businesses know better. Y’all are something else. Unless I’m missing something, did Alan communicate a new repayment schedule? Or did he just ghost them and expect to not get repaid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Popat said: It is impossible for Jupiter to pay back the debt physically even if he magically gets 10 million everyday for 60 days. Black Skies have refused to pay the loan and the burden was on Jupiter. He didn't pay and due to this , Article 4 Section A of the treaty was violated. Even if there was no war , Would Jupiter have been still be able to pay? The treaty termination was not done without a reason. It has been terminated because a section of it has been violated by BS. This was a treaty signed after an alliance war not a loan given by a player run business. This is the largest pile of nonsense I’ve seen in a long while. Regular payments were made by the member up until BS was attacked by SIN. Common sense should have been used to realise that no nation would be able to pay close to $900 mil including war resources in those circumstances. Irregardless of the war, would Jupiter have been able to fork out that kind of money in 60 days? Probably not. Was he intending on repaying the debt in a more manageable fashion? Yes. There is no precedent set for an alliance to repay that large of a debt for an ordinary member to move from one AA to another, so to assume BS would do so, after Jupiter has failed to make them, is a bit daft. You’re right on one part, there should have been better communication between yourself and BS/Jupiter about the repayment plan. Have you tried discussing this and setting up a timeframe postwar or have you jumped to immediately asking for the whole lot? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanko1987 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Regardless if there is a war going or not, in the NAP Treaty between Brofam/Black Skies it clearly states it's Article 4 that Brofam members can freely leave the alliance and join Black Skies, but all loans that they took out which they owe to Brofam must be paid out in full, there is no exceptions to anything and obviously Black Skies/Alan violated the terms of the agreement ending the war between Brofam and Black Skies, if there is a case of war breaking out or for some other reason that the debt cannot be paid by a certain time, Black Skies should of negotiated on Article 4 and added a Clause stating in an event of a break out of a war, a new payment plan can be negotiated and a new date set for when the debt is to be paid out in full. At the end of the day Black Skies/Alan violated the NAP agreement and Alan is now ghosting the Article 4 and ignoring all debts owing to Brofam by the individual nations who left Brofam to join Black Skies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mickey Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) Hate to break it but I got your leader blocked on discord for trying to call spam me to pay my debts As of today this morning 12/10/2023, all payment will be stopped due to you calling me a name. It is completely diffrent for someone who has crippling debt. And i believe you are telling lies about grants. Also don't try to attack me popat, you got defeated once before in war. 23 hours ago, Popat said: It is impossible for Jupiter to pay back the debt physically even if he magically gets 10 million everyday for 60 days. Black Skies have refused to pay the loan and the burden was on Jupiter. He didn't pay and due to this , Article 4 Section A of the treaty was violated. Even if there was no war , Would Jupiter have been still be able to pay? The treaty termination was not done without a reason. It has been terminated because a section of it has been violated by BS. This was a treaty signed after an alliance war not a loan given by a player run business. Edited December 10, 2023 by Jupiter Jones 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popat Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jupiter Jones said: Hate to break it but I got your leader blocked on discord for trying to call spam me to pay my debts As of today this morning 12/10/2023, all payment will be stopped due to you calling me a name. It is completely diffrent for someone who has crippling debt. And i believe you are telling lies about grants. Also don't try to attack me popat, you got defeated once before in war. Okay , Jupiter the 'Wardodger'! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mickey Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Popat said: Okay , Jupiter the 'Wardodger'! Says the one who want debt pays back even in middle of war. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Mickey Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 23 hours ago, Kastor said: I see your point. Alan/Jupiter/Black Skies agreed to something and didn’t follow through. Also doesn’t look like they talked to you about a repayment plan for after the war. Just because SIN attacked BS doesn’t resolve Alan/Black Skies of the deal they agreed to beforehand. Alan broke the agreement. Unless I’m missing something, did Alan communicate a new repayment schedule? Or did he just ghost them and expect to not get repaid. But was I ever involved with the talks? Not once. I was essentially forced into following what was issued as per treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Jupiter Jones said: But was I ever involved with the talks? Not once. I was essentially forced into following what was issued as per treaty. 1. Alan, your alliance leader, signed the deal. 2. You then proceeded to pay back several amounts to them. 3. You stayed in the alliance post-agreement. You did agree to the deal. Even if begrudgingly, when you stayed in BS after Alan signed it AND when you started repayments. Doesn't seem like y’all standing on business 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popat Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) Update : Black Skies have paid it's debt. All wars will end. (They are still at war with SIN) . A two month NAP has been signed. Edited December 16, 2023 by Popat Added NAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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