Alexander Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I honestly have absolutely no idea what the deal is with this guy: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=7164 I just feel as if all he's contributed to the community has been destruction and death. On 11/16 06:03 pm I placed an embargo on him perhaps hoping that others would do the same due to the fact all he's ever done was declare war on people and take their money. I understand that raiding makes the game interesting and can be a source of income but he's just extreme. Today: 11/19 05:49 pm - Alexandros had war declared by Iwonderland for the reason of "All your base are belong to us". With minimal growth on his nation, (considering all the raiding and war) it has been only detrimental to the entire community as the smaller nations like myself can no longer produce too many resources because we need to concentrate on war efforts (driving prices higher due to a restricted supply). So I encourage the community to assist me in eliminating or reducing the constant threat this bloodthirsty nation puts over everyone. Anything from an embargo to war declaration will help. Iwonderland needs to be stopped for the greater good. Thanks Y'all Edited November 20, 2014 by Alex 2 Quote -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Seems he is gearing for a big war. Ill support you with an embargo. Good luck in your wars. 1 Quote All hail Irken All hail the Tallest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMelvin Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'll support you with an embargo. Not like he can hit me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Thanks guys. Quote -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I honestly have absolutely no idea what the deal is with this guy: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=7164 I just feel as if all he's contributed to the community has been destruction and death. On 11/16 06:03 pm I placed an embargo on him perhaps hoping that others would do the same due to the fact all he's ever done was declare war on people and take their money. I understand that raiding makes the game interesting and can be a source of income but he's just extreme. Today: 11/19 05:49 pm - Alexandros had war declared by Iwonderland for the reason of "All your base are belong to us". With minimal growth on his nation, (considering all the raiding and war) it has been only detrimental to the entire community as the smaller nations like myself can no longer produce too many resources because we need to concentrate on war efforts (driving prices higher due to a restricted supply). So I encourage the community to assist me in eliminating or reducing the constant threat this bloodthirsty nation puts over everyone. Anything from an embargo to war declaration will help. Iwonderland needs to be stopped for the greater good. Thanks Y'all Seems you are in an alliance. They are gonna help I assume right? Quote All hail Irken All hail the Tallest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Specter Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) do people cry embargo everytime someone in game does something that they dont like? people call for an embargo when a nation undercuts and they do the same when a nation raids. Im not trying to be mean but i have a feeling that you want to gain support from the community to enforce an embargo on this nation simply because he raided you when you could of went to your alliance for help to deal with this one nation. So i will not be putting an embargo in place on this nation. Edited November 20, 2014 by Dark Specter Quote Amidst the eternal waves of time From a ripple of change shall the storm rise Out of the abyss peer the eyes of a demon Behold the razgriz, its wings of black sheath The demon soars through dark skies Fear and death trail its shadow beneath Until men united weild a hallowed sabre In final reckoning, the beast is slain As the demon sleeps, man turns on man His own blood and madness soon cover the earth From the depths of despair awaken the razgriz Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroshima Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Embargo Alex Quote “I'm cheap and enjoy butchering” - Manthrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naTia Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) do people cry embargo everytime some in game does something that they dont like? people call for an embargo when a nation undercuts and they do the same when a nation raids. Im not trying to be mean but i have a feeling that you want to gain support from the community to enforce an embargo on this nation simply because he raided you when you could of went to your alliance for help to deal with this one nation. So i will not be putting an embargo in place on this nation. It's not just Alex... Just today this guy started 5 new raids, and a total of 33 raids in the past 7 days. As of now, he has 10,485 troops, 493 tanks, and 12 aircraft with 2 cities (a total of 700 infrastructure) He has in the past said some not so nice things to us and he does not care about what alliance you are in. He raids everyone. He gets most of his supplies from the global market, an embargo would be the best course of action. If you really think he does not deserve an embargo... Think again. Edit: To add on, Alex just happens to be the first person to mention it. Oddly enough, I was just about to post a thread like this seconds before this was posted. Full support, Alex. Edited November 20, 2014 by The Captain Nao 1 Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Yes they are helping. I thought that the community coming together to fight against a common foe would be good for everyone. I just wanted to raise awareness and potentially raise support where it's offered. It's perfectly okay if you don't want to embargo or declare war, I can't force anyone but I believe that there are plenty of reasons why the international community should be involved. Edited November 20, 2014 by Alex Quote -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Specter Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 It's not just Alex... Just today this guy started 5 new raids, and a total of 33 raids in the past 7 days. As of now, he has 10,485 troops, 493 tanks, and 12 aircraft with 2 cities (a total of 700 infrastructure) He has in the past said some not so nice things to us and he does not care about what alliance you are in. He raids everyone. He gets most of his supplies from the global market, an embargo would be the best course of action. If you really think he does not deserve an embargo... Think again. And embargo will help but this is one where i will not be contributing, i am not in his range so im not worried. If he attacks an alliance mate i will help my pal but this one raider can simply be dealt with by a few nations who declare and coordinate and do some damage physically. Quote Amidst the eternal waves of time From a ripple of change shall the storm rise Out of the abyss peer the eyes of a demon Behold the razgriz, its wings of black sheath The demon soars through dark skies Fear and death trail its shadow beneath Until men united weild a hallowed sabre In final reckoning, the beast is slain As the demon sleeps, man turns on man His own blood and madness soon cover the earth From the depths of despair awaken the razgriz Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naTia Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) If he attacks an alliance mate 10/27/2014 Iwonderland Ivan The Cabal Montosh Montosh The Atlas Confederacy Victory Timeline But you didn't because you couldn't. Now you can. Edited November 20, 2014 by The Captain Nao Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Specter Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 That happen when i didnt have access to the internet and before embargoes were put in place, but if he were to attack a rose member then i would get involved, but for now i see no reason to. Im also sure DEIC is more then capable of dealing with this raider. Quote Amidst the eternal waves of time From a ripple of change shall the storm rise Out of the abyss peer the eyes of a demon Behold the razgriz, its wings of black sheath The demon soars through dark skies Fear and death trail its shadow beneath Until men united weild a hallowed sabre In final reckoning, the beast is slain As the demon sleeps, man turns on man His own blood and madness soon cover the earth From the depths of despair awaken the razgriz Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naTia Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Im also sure DEIC is more then capable of dealing with this raider. 11/19/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal mang balong ciriaco The Dutch East India Company Active War Timeline 11/19/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Alexandros Alex The Dutch East India Company Active War Timeline 11/19/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Vixonia Vixzer The Dutch East India Company Active War Timeline 11/19/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Ruski Russki The Dutch East India Company Active War Timeline 11/19/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Gear Confederacy ClockworkThe Dutch East India Company Active War Timeline 11/18/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Saint-croix Kimi Amin The Dutch East India Company Victory Timeline 11/18/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Empire of India Swami Mahatma The Dutch East India Company Victory Timeline 1 1/18/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Cothroime Bernie Sanders The Dutch East India Company Victory Timeline 11/18/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal craetus lucius The Dutch East India Company Victory Timeline 11/17/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal State of Crisis Clod The Dutch East India Company Victory Timeline 11/17/2014 Iwonderland Ivan New Cabal Freeland Charley Evans The Dutch East India Company Victory No offense to DEIC, but I doubt it. Edited November 20, 2014 by The Captain Nao 2 Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Specter Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 If the DEIC nations that he is hitting arent recieving help from their gov then thats on vocs gov, plus how many of those VOC nations are active other then alex here? Quote Amidst the eternal waves of time From a ripple of change shall the storm rise Out of the abyss peer the eyes of a demon Behold the razgriz, its wings of black sheath The demon soars through dark skies Fear and death trail its shadow beneath Until men united weild a hallowed sabre In final reckoning, the beast is slain As the demon sleeps, man turns on man His own blood and madness soon cover the earth From the depths of despair awaken the razgriz Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 No offense to DEIC, but I doubt it. What's with the leading phrase? Why you gotta be so wishy-washy? Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Raider is part and parcel of the game. Let the alliance he is raiding deal with it. Nope, I wont join in as he didn't annoy me unlike New India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naTia Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Reply to Dark Specter: If the DEIC nations that he is hitting arent recieving help from their gov then thats on vocs gov, plus how many of those VOC nations are active other then alex here? I feel like it is more than just handing the reigns over to VoC to take him out. Some of the people in this game aren't going to be as active as others, and aren't we trying to encourage as many players as possible? He is attacking nations that would otherwise be on the fence about becoming more active, and instead destroying any of their chances to want to play again. Reply to Grillick: What's with the leading phrase? Why you gotta be so wishy-washy? I was more trying to say that it was not really their fault they were getting attacked, and there isn't much they can do. It probably came across as more of being hesitant to say anything about their actions towards him, huh . Reply to Vincent: Raider is part and parcel of the game. Let the alliance he is raiding deal with it. Nope, I wont join in as he didn't annoy me unlike New India. I totally get this, but so are embargoes. <Same as before goes here>. If we have the tools to get rid of his impact on new players, why not use them? Why just sit around and watch and say "somebody else will deal with it", or "I'm not affected, so I don't care". This is getting spammy on my part guys, I'll end my little rant here. I urge other people to at least consider their options in preventing this raider's effect on low score players. Edit: For unnamed person(s), embargoes are the only way we can cut his supply of troops in order to get close enough to taking him down. Just declaring is not sound logic at all. Edited November 20, 2014 by The Captain Nao 2 Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaus Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Economic undercuts are fought with embargoes. In this case, he needs to be declared on, not embargoed. Quote Blood of a king. Heart of a lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I'm sure we'll all agree that he's contributed more bad then good to P&W. I think that most of us can agree that some action should be taken because he threatens all of us in some way (fellow alliance members etc.) Regardless if he is threatening you personally, I don't see why we shouldn't try and stop him. Edited November 20, 2014 by Alex Quote -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I like him. He helps ensure that only the strong survive. 3 Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Specter Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Reply to Dark Specter: I feel like it is more than just handing the reigns over to VoC to take him out. Some of the people in this game aren't going to be as active as others, and aren't we trying to encourage as many players as possible? He is attacking nations that would otherwise be on the fence about becoming more active, and instead destroying any of their chances to want to play again. I do encourage more players and if this guy isnt effecting me then theres no reason for me to respond, if he isnt attacking my alliance then there is no reason for me to respond, if he isnt a threat to me personally then there is no reason for me to respond. When it comes to raiders it is best to declare instead of embargoing because this guy will just go on the market and get supplies from those who wont or havent embargoed him. But in this case it is best to declare and do as much damage as possible. 1 Quote Amidst the eternal waves of time From a ripple of change shall the storm rise Out of the abyss peer the eyes of a demon Behold the razgriz, its wings of black sheath The demon soars through dark skies Fear and death trail its shadow beneath Until men united weild a hallowed sabre In final reckoning, the beast is slain As the demon sleeps, man turns on man His own blood and madness soon cover the earth From the depths of despair awaken the razgriz Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naTia Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I like him. He helps ensure that only the strong survive. Are you suggesting we make him some sort of new player filter? "You must be this strong to pass Ivan" 3 Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I like him. He helps ensure that only the strong survive. That made me laugh a little. I mean it's kinda true. Edited November 20, 2014 by Alex Quote -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naTia Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I do encourage more players and if this guy isnt effecting me then theres no reason for me to respond, if he isnt attacking my alliance then there is no reason for me to respond, if he isnt a threat to me personally then there is no reason for me to respond. When it comes to raiders it is best to declare instead of embargoing because this guy will just go on the market and get supplies from those who wont or havent embargoed him. But in this case it is best to declare and do as much damage as possible. 1) He is affecting you. He's hurting the game. This game wouldn't exist without these new players. In order to grow, we need more players. This includes from any alliance in the game. 2) It will cost him much more to do so, won't it? This will in turn cost him more to keep his raids going. Therefore, he will have to pay more to supply himself with troops. This is the best pre-empt to any coordinated attacks on him. Edited November 20, 2014 by The Captain Nao 2 Quote Resident DJ @ Club Orbis Founder of The Warehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iljohn Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I have been wondering when a forum like this as going to happen though I was completely surprised when he bought a 2nd city thought he was holding off to make sure he didn't get attack Edited November 20, 2014 by iljohn Quote (^。^)y-.。o○ (-。-)y-゜゜゜ this is how i make my cloud http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag291/petgangster/efb30519-f381-4330-a62b-11db0d2a058b_zpscilyk2rj.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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