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3 hours ago, Caecus said:

This is, to some extent, true. 

The current go-to leaders of the Democrats is Pelosi and Schumer. Presidential candidate-wise, these two are far out there picks. However, it's not to say that they are terrible leaders, on the contrary. Pelosi and Schumer have more traditional congressional strengths, such as being good campaigners and fundraisers. Ever since the catastrphoic loss in 2010, they have essentially been evening the odds in Congress. They just have the personal appeal (to the millennials, the fickle group of angsty teens I keep referring to) of a wet carrot. They can run a good traditional campaign, but they have no idea what a Facebook is. Hillary's social media presence was more miss than hit, but significantly better. 

If I had to make a prediction, the Democrats are going to win a lot in 2018. Think I'm full of shit? Just look at 2010. Barrack Obama rides into office with 65%+ approval post-housing shittown, and then immediately after is subject to attack by conservatives. His proposal of ACA was essentially on the ticket, and most people were against it at the time (since every other word about the ACA was "socialist"). The Dems lost HARD in 2010. Like, former-majority-in-Senate level of losses. Obama's approval rating never dropped below 55 during that time. 

That being said, you have a president who hasn't done anything except a Supreme Court nomination. He spends most of his days tweeting about dumb shit instead of getting things done, and has shown no real leadership in any way regarding to the deployment of the AHCA. Russia still follows him like Benghazi, and his approval rating is second only to Nixon post-Watergate and Bush at the bottom of the housing market. Assuming Schumer and Pelosi didn't suffer a stroke and still know what they are doing, the democrats are (in my personal analysis) going to kill it in 2018. 

Again, presidential candidate-wise, both of them are less amusing than a dirty laundry. Maybe Bernie will run as a democrat again, despite being A !@#$ing INDEPENDENT YOU DUMBASS BERNIE BROS. If Clinton is still alive and everyone gets over the "I-hate-Clinton" phase, maybe she might have a go at it. Warren might take a shot too. So yes, they are deficient in getting good candidates for president, but not entirely bad leaders. 

Not to sound like our president, but Obama is to blame too. Obama was good at getting perhaps the most transformative legislation in the last 50 years (excluding 1965 immigration) into law, but did nothing for his party when the midterms spanked the Dems. But it also doesn't help that your major party leaders have the charisma of a dead fish. He should've never compromised. Also, just my opinion, but I think FDR, JFK and LBJ are basically our most effective candidates and did some of the (mostly) permanent overhaul of the country.

There is still time for the Democrats to find someone though. Same thing happened for Republicans before Trump. You think Jeb !@#$ing Bush is any better than Schumer or Pelosi? God-forbid, Chris Christie? The Republicans got lucky that some twitter troll emerged from a (golden) basement to run for president. 

 

3 hours ago, Lelouch Vi Britannia said:

Off Topic: But I like to see the two sides of the political table properly debating it out with one another and working together. Who is the other side? As for the next nomination I'm liking any mixture of Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Al Franken and/or Bernie.

Cooperation is key, build and go off it. I certainly hope that isn't done. The Democrats do something as a compromise with the GOP and then the GOP gets pissed, wastes time, prevent the president from carrying on his duties. The Democrats just need to be like the GOP: either pretend to compromise or overly refuse to do it.

Learn from Trump and work around it. Mistakes are a chance to learn. Is Trump working?

 

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On 7/5/2017 at 10:42 PM, Thalmor said:

Democrats have no good leaders right now. They also don't have any good candidates.

Maybe the only reason I see it that way is because I'm a Republican and so I don't pay attention to Democratic internal politics, but I don't see any good candidates or party leaders from the Democrats that can really carry Obama's torch or lead the party into success from their losing spree.

Honestly, if you don't think Colbert and Zuckerberg would make a formidable team, then you're asking for Republicans to be caught with their pants down.

Colbert easily has the panache of Reagan, and with the support of Zuckerberg's social networking appeal, it would be a piece of cake for them to beat out Trump's Twitter habits.

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Colbert and Zuckerberg don't stand a chance.

Zuckerberg promoting leftist bias in FB while censoring supposed alt-right pages and banning people just for posting videos of migrants attacking locals. Last time I checked people are indeed tired of leftist PC rhetoric and censorship for posting the truth.

Colbert is part of the mainstream media that said "oh drumpf only has 1 purcent chzance of winning da election" and "drumpf has two scoops of ise cream while colluding with da russians impeach impeach"(misspelled intentionally) while mostly being silent about issues illegal immigrants causing problems to the local populace and the Clintons' accepting money from foreign governments to fund her campaign. I don't believe people will see him as trustworthy considering the fact that he himself is obsessed about Trump's supposed collusion with Russia without any solid evidence (anonymous sources lines have been overused to death btw).

If the Democrats really want to win the next election, they should deal with problems people actually face rather than issues like genderfluid bathrooms or censorship because x hurts someone's feelings.

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4 minutes ago, Fukataka said:

Colbert and Zuckerberg don't stand a chance.

Zuckerberg promoting leftist bias in FB while censoring supposed alt-right pages and banning people just for posting videos of migrants attacking locals. Last time I checked people are indeed tired of leftist PC rhetoric and censorship for posting the truth.

Colbert is part of the mainstream media that said "oh drumpf only has 1 purcent chzance of winning da election" and "drumpf has two scoops of ise cream while colluding with da russians impeach impeach"(misspelled intentionally) while mostly being silent about issues illegal immigrants causing problems to the local populace and the Clintons' accepting money from foreign governments to fund her campaign. I don't believe people will see him as trustworthy considering the fact that he himself is obsessed about Trump's supposed collusion with Russia without any solid evidence (anonymous sources lines have been overused to death btw).

If the Democrats really want to win the next election, they should deal with problems people actually face rather than issues like genderfluid bathrooms or censorship because x hurts someone's feelings.

Thank god you elaborated on the misspelling.

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On 7/12/2017 at 1:17 AM, Fukataka said:

Colbert and Zuckerberg don't stand a chance.

Zuckerberg promoting leftist bias in FB while censoring supposed alt-right pages and banning people just for posting videos of migrants attacking locals. Last time I checked people are indeed tired of leftist PC rhetoric and censorship for posting the truth.

Colbert is part of the mainstream media that said "oh drumpf only has 1 purcent chzance of winning da election" and "drumpf has two scoops of ise cream while colluding with da russians impeach impeach"(misspelled intentionally) while mostly being silent about issues illegal immigrants causing problems to the local populace and the Clintons' accepting money from foreign governments to fund her campaign. I don't believe people will see him as trustworthy considering the fact that he himself is obsessed about Trump's supposed collusion with Russia without any solid evidence (anonymous sources lines have been overused to death btw).

If the Democrats really want to win the next election, they should deal with problems people actually face rather than issues like genderfluid bathrooms or censorship because x hurts someone's feelings.

Objectively speaking, the bias Zuckerberg promotes only pushes the political playing field in that direction.  Some people might be frustrated with what he's doing, but the question isn't a matter of frustration.  It's a matter of where the overton window sits such that the frustrated appear insensible. 

Colbert might have believed Trump had a poor chance, but the fact is that's right.  Trump did get lucky.  Not only did prediction markets and 538 say he had a 20% chance of winning, but the chance of him winning the 4/5 battleground states he did within a reasonable margin of error that no poll could predict such that they were effectively coin flips is about 20% as well. 

I'm not saying I like Zuckerberg or Colbert here.  I'm just saying they could more than feasibly win the election if they were given the chance.  Republicans have a lot of adjustment and preparation to do to their social fabric if they want to contend with them.

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Jim Webb is the only Democrat I really like. Dude is cool.

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Cory Booker, Al Franken, Elizabeth Warren, just off the top of my head. Bonus: They either are actual liberals or very convincing fakes.

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