Who would you vote for?

[Fox Fire]

 

(Referring to Hitler) Stalin is pretty evil too. So what? Not sure what your point is there. The Kim family is protected by China and would take a bit more effort, the Saudi are protected by America so are far easier to bring down for the Americans.

 

If Trump gets his deportations, gets his ban on Muslims, and other such things... making good use out of a wall is no difficult thing. Give orders for the increased border guard to simply kill on sight and it'd stop the number trying pretty quick. Obama already signs off on civilians getting bombed on the other side of the planet, not a huge difference with Trump signing off on illegals getting killed when trying to cross the border.

 

As for rounding up the people to deport, there is such a thing as making examples of people to make others flee. Trump's goons don't have to round everyone up, merely a good number and punish them harshly. Once that happens there may be riots which is a chance to pop some more of them off. Armed forces can handle rioters who'll likely pop some civilians off making it easy for Trump to frame them as all being violent and criminals. Once thats sorted a good number of people will together with their families flee instead of possibly being next. 

 

!@#$ yeah. Let's just deport all the people who aren't white enough to "Madagascar". 

Sounds like a fabulous plan to me. All those children trying to cross the border, often all alone, trying to flee gang violence in their own nations can just be ruthlessly gunned down at the border. We can pile up the bodies and put their heads on pikes and a sign that says "whites only" as a warning to those other aliens. Nothing screams freedom quite like a pile of dead bodies piled up on useless wall.

 

You literally sound exactly like the Nazis trying to figure out how to handle the "Jewish problem". 

Do you have any idea what solution they came up with after all of what you just spewed miserably failed?

[Rozalia]

!@#$ yeah. Let's just deport all the people who aren't white enough to "Madagascar". 

Sounds like a fabulous plan to me. All those children trying to cross the border, often all alone, trying to flee gang violence in their own nations can just be ruthlessly gunned down at the border. We can pile up the bodies and put their heads on pikes and a sign that says "whites only" as a warning to those other aliens. Nothing screams freedom quite like a pile of dead bodies piled up on useless wall.

 

You literally sound exactly like the Nazis trying to figure out how to handle the "Jewish problem". 

Do you have any idea what solution they came up with after all of what you just spewed miserably failed?

 

White? Hispanics are white one second, non-white the next. You change your view when it suits too on that just so we're clear here? Whats your view on all that?

Blame the parents, they threw their children (and themselves) into the shark pit. If Trump makes it so then those become the rules, and breaking rules brings punishment.Tragic if they die, but they would have known the risk.

You think you can't kill a bunch of people and write it off as "preserving freedom"? You very much can and it would be written off as such.

 

Merely speculating on possible things Trump may plan to do, but can't obviously say especially if he does intend to mobilize the public to do a lot of work for him. He could also have no idea like you say, but that is also speculation. 

They switched to using "hard power" as people stop being a problem when they're dead and all that. However I do not personally believe Trump has any intention of using anything beyond "soft power". You give the public a little nudge to start, and they can do the rest. Why have your government goons kill people when people will just do pogroms for you so to speak.

[Fox Fire]

When did I say Hispanics were white, black or purple?

Blame the parents? That's like saying we can blame you for the rise of ISIS. Are you responsible for the rise of ISIS? Are you responsible for the criminal organizations in your nation? Should your children be shot for trying to find peace?

Your statements are deplorable and insane. On par with Ibrahims support for ISIS, honestly.  

[Spite]

 

Medicine often doesn't go down well, but regardless you should take it. Both Sanders and Trump are "outsiders" of sorts (even with Sanders political experience his differing politics to everybody else means he might as well be an outsider). Both can do their own good, one socially another economically. 

 

 

Voting for the lesser of two evils is how you get a situation like the blue and red Tories. Instead of halting the "evil" you instead keep it going as the "lesser evil" realizes it can simply be a slightly weaker variant of the "greater evil". For example if all the people who for years didn't truly believe in New Labour had simply not voted instead of going for the "lesser evil", Labour would have collapsed completely and we'd either get someone like Corbyn quicker, or another party would have replaced them. Thankfully Corbyn has changed that dynamic now but bloody hell is the deck stacked. I didn't think I'd see the day that attacks from American politics and media were tame compared to the British ones (Sanders is getting an easy ride by comparison).

 

This is a massive fallacy. Let me explain why.

To win an election in the UK you need to attract enough voters to have a majority of seats in parliament. That basically means that in a majority of constituencies you need to have the largest amount of votes.

 

 

This means that to win the election, you need a manifesto and image which appeals to a wide number of people from different backgrounds, social classes and regions. New Labour won three successive elections because it did that. The Conservatives have won this time because they also achieved that, by moving to the centre and reasserting a reputation for financial reliability.

 

Jeremy Corbyn has the lowest approval rating of any Labour Leader ever. His national approval rating is lower than Tony Blair's was following the Iraq war when half a million people protested against his government. Labour is ten points behind the Conservatives in the polls.

 

Jeremy Corbyn is extremely popular with the left of the labour party who never expected a far left (in Brit terms) socialist to lead a mainstream party. However at most, that represents 3-4 million people. Labour can probably count on another 4 million votes from the Labour heartlands, but it will win absolutely !@#$ing nothing in the swing seats. 2020 is going to be nightmare for labour, they have no chance of winning and the only real benefit of having a socialist in charge electorally speaking - challenging the SNP in Scotland - is being completely squandered.

 

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On another point, the UK is the perfect example of "lesser of two evils". Anyone who voted for the Green Party, or any socialist fringe party, is as responsible for the Tories winning the election as someone who directly voted for them. Especially in seats where they polled a few percent at most.

[Rozalia]

When did I say Hispanics were white, black or purple?

Blame the parents? That's like saying we can blame you for the rise of ISIS. Are you responsible for the rise of ISIS? Are you responsible for the criminal organizations in your nation? Should your children be shot for trying to find peace?

Your statements are deplorable and insane. On par with Ibrahims support for ISIS, honestly.  

 

You didn't, I merely asked your views on the matter.

If I am told that there is a minefield, snipers, helicopters, and drones all ready to kill me and my family, then I am responsible for my own and their deaths if I decide to risk it. 

Merely speculating on what he plans to do, nothing more. 

 

This is a massive fallacy. Let me explain why.

To win an election in the UK you need to attract enough voters to have a majority of seats in parliament. That basically means that in a majority of constituencies you need to have the largest amount of votes.

 

This means that to win the election, you need a manifesto and image which appeals to a wide number of people from different backgrounds, social classes and regions. New Labour won three successive elections because it did that. The Conservatives have won this time because they also achieved that, by moving to the centre and reasserting a reputation for financial reliability.

 

Jeremy Corbyn has the lowest approval rating of any Labour Leader ever. His national approval rating is lower than Tony Blair's was following the Iraq war when half a million people protested against his government. Labour is ten points behind the Conservatives in the polls.

 

Jeremy Corbyn is extremely popular with the left of the labour party who never expected a far left (in Brit terms) socialist to lead a mainstream party. However at most, that represents 3-4 million people. Labour can probably count on another 4 million votes from the Labour heartlands, but it will win absolutely !@#$ nothing in the swing seats. 2020 is going to be nightmare for labour, they have no chance of winning and the only real benefit of having a socialist in charge electorally speaking - challenging the SNP in Scotland - is being completely squandered.

 

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On another point, the UK is the perfect example of "lesser of two evils". Anyone who voted for the Green Party, or any socialist fringe party, is as responsible for the Tories winning the election as someone who directly voted for them. Especially in seats where they polled a few percent at most.

 

I am well aware of that argument that you have to be a Tory lite to win an election. Blair had large advantages that lead to his victory. A long in power Conservative party, Thatcher, John Major, the media on his side, the failures and scandals of the Tories. 

 

Cameron soon after becoming leader of the Tory party had similar approval ratings at one point. Lets not forget Cameron was the man who did such gaffs as "hug a hoodie" that everyone laughed at him about.

 

I believe the opposite and Corbyn if not stabbed in the bank by dozens of red Tories should win, if not alone then in a coalition with the SNP. Conservative fatigue will only settle in all the more and Europe looms so based on how that goes the result will be changed. Hell they may well not even have Cameron as leader and instead that repugnant Gideon which will only make it worse.

 

Well yes that is the system. Failed democracy at it's finest, but principle is worth it regardless. I aspire for more then two different shades of Tory, and refuse to kowtow to such a corrupt system. 

[Lannan13]

 

Medicine often doesn't go down well, but regardless you should take it. Both Sanders and Trump are "outsiders" of sorts (even with Sanders political experience his differing politics to everybody else means he might as well be an outsider). Both can do their own good, one socially another economically. 

 

 

Voting for the lesser of two evils is how you get a situation like the blue and red Tories. Instead of halting the "evil" you instead keep it going as the "lesser evil" realizes it can simply be a slightly weaker variant of the "greater evil". For example if all the people who for years didn't truly believe in New Labour had simply not voted instead of going for the "lesser evil", Labour would have collapsed completely and we'd either get someone like Corbyn quicker, or another party would have replaced them. Thankfully Corbyn has changed that dynamic now but bloody hell is the deck stacked. I didn't think I'd see the day that attacks from American politics and media were tame compared to the British ones (Sanders is getting an easy ride by comparison).

I don't call a ballooning $18 extra trillion debt nor a nuclear holicost "medicine." Maybe if you're one of those envirnmental freaks who want to kill people to save Earth.

[Doktor Avalanche]

Totally false comparison.

 

Imagine you are unemployed with no qualifications. There are four jobs on the job website. A street cleaner, a coffee shop worker, a brain surgeon and a nuclear physicist. You decide that you'd rather work in a coffee shop than sweet streets because you get to talk to people, even though you like neither job particularly.

 

Voting for anyone other than Democrat or republican is like applying for the brain surgeon or nuclear physicist job. You might feel good but the chances of getting it is zero. It's a wasted vote. If America had a PR system it would be different but it doesn't, so it's a waste of time.

 

I'm a labour party member in the UK for reference.

So do you vote for who best represents you or do you vote primarily based on who you think is going to win?

I strictly vote for who best represents me. That is not a wasted vote. Wasted votes are those that constantly vote for either two sides of the same coin, you know, the jack-offs who run this country into oblivion.

[Nos711]

All of the people who are saying Latinos/ Hispanics are taking over the country are just simply incorrect, more are leaving than coming back, statistics show that 1 million are leaving when 600,000 are coming so in reality you are wrong. 

[fistofdoom]

This is hilarious.

 

[Barbasol]

The are many Hispanics that are American citizens, they usually are conservative people and they could energize the Republican party and give the party a real opportunity for this and future elections, but Trump big mouth is not helping.  Frankly I don't see the Republican party winning.  We would continue with Democrats and their big government for the short future.

 

About illegal immigration there's many Hispanics that don't support an amnesty or are in favor of it, but as a politician you need to be sensitive to some topics and don't offend those that you may need to win an election.