BrythonLexi

Yeah, have to back up the general theme. There's no excuse to be a jerk about these proposed change threads, but oh boy does it not feel like we're being listened to as a playerbase.

A nation can only have 3 offensive spy ops done (succeeded?) on them each day. If alliance members could blow up 1.34 infra, that'd prevent enemies from wiping out their 32 spies.

I have a strange, bold, potentially absurd idea: Change the war declare score range to how they were prior to this change that caused mass-downdeclares in the first place. Nothing was broken, and that change only make a new problem. If a change doesn't work out - don't make even *more* changes, reverse it!

You won't find success in P&W without Discord, plain and simple. Get it. That's how every worthwhile alliance (with the notable exception of TKR's Slack for member purposes) coordinates military during global wars, reaches out to members, and conducts foreign affairs (even TKR does FA via Discord). Without having Discord and being in your alliance's Discord, you are in the dark. There is too much you need to know for nationbuilding to do it just on a forum.

You're in an alliance, you should be able to ask them on their Discord or other communication channels. If they aren't giving advice... oh boy. My alliance runs a full command economy so it's generally the Econ dept's job to hand out city, project, and infra grants; and all of our jobs to keep our members at the right MMR (the amount and type of military we have) and whatnot.

Welcome to P&W!

Can you add a column for cities built per member?

Credits do bypass blockades, yeah. But that's still real life money not everybody has.

We decided that it was not worth chasing them all the way up, though we did purchase a few cities. As i'm sure you're aware, we are a 100/100 alliance and secure our members' holdings, so they were not at any risk of losing much (let alone the $100m or so that the opponent spent). It is also about fairness in the game in general, and not just the specific situation that we were in. Had the opponent had Urban Planning, and the defending nation been an allianceless low-tier nation (or otherwise on their own for the war), they would not have stood a chance - which is very much unfair to the new nation, and may have even caused them to quit.

Awesome! Wonderful patch to prevent more egregious uses of this potential exploit. I accept if there won't be a minimum city delete time due to the economic suicide that it is for the person doing it, but at least this little oversight can be fixed up.

This post specifically: Artificial whitespace is created at the bottom from when I tried to copy and paste some nation logs. It shows as a blank table, wherein pressing backspace or Delete does not remove the empty table. Entering text in each row and deleting that also does not delete the artificial whitespace.

Right! Like, my milcom and I acknowledged that as the war was going on, but I still feel like someone shouldn't have an option like this since it still technically gets around reinforcement limits. Huh, neat! I was sure that removing your 11th city would disable UP, but I suppose if that's not the case, this does make the exploit even more dangerous. However, the opponent didn't have that project. -- Additionally, on suggestion i'm going to link the wars in question where the opponent of my alliance's newbies had used this exploit. https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1404546 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1404893 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=1404772 The particular city building from Zombie Springfield was as follows: Blegh, tried to fix whitespace problems, couldn't. Anyway, this was only a period of 14 minutes at best where my milcom could set up a counter. That'd be unlikely during a global, and definitely impossible in peace. That really doesn't seem fair, even if a monetary loss, as it's reinforcement that others would be ill-advised to pull off.

Hey all, In this last week, some newbies in my alliance had a very peculiar war happen. The opponent had purchased several cities and used them to create a larger than usual re-mil, then delete those new cities less than ten minutes later. In doing so, this allowed our opponent to have free Immense Triumphs and blockade our newbies. As one can imagine, this seems like an unintended exploit of city buying and reinforce mechanics to force a win in a war that would otherwise be trivial in the other direction. It is also largely unfair. This practice also prevents nations with higher scores from countering the quick-reinforcement that our opponent had, as the cities are deleted too quickly for a response without 24 hour surveillance. While this is economically inefficient, it basically makes a blockade impossible to enforce, especially combined with purchasing credits for buying the new cities. My suggestion is this: When a city is bought, you cannot sell that city for 120 turns (10 days), similar to the C10+ purchase timer. By adding such a deletion timer, this would prevent such quick-reinforcement exploits from happening ever again, and even the playing field when it comes to war in raiding tiers.

We applaud you for your wisdom, may it help you in the future

Exactly this, yeah. When I went off to form a micro, we did it with around 4 of us and with a treaty tie to our former alliance. While that micro didn't last too terribly long, we had a chance and could have held longer. A single person with no ties would've been my micro's type of raid fodder.

As Sir Scarfalot said (and he is very experienced with this game), you really do need Discord unless you have the level of rapport that TKR has. You need to offer your nations something in an alliance, and a C10 "protector" won't do much. Given all you've been posting on the forums, I highly doubt that any major would protect you. Micro treaty spam might happen though, but I doubt it. As he said, I'd highly recommend joining somewhere else (such as TKR and their Slack). It's your only hope at this point if you want to learn how to do alliance stuff. Also like, disbanding within a day is a very bad sign. Especially since you can, like, just rename your alliance. dnn

So, three things: A. You generally want to have more than one person in an alliance, as well as having a protector or treaty in the works before you break off. This protects you from random raids. B. People are spamming dnn because you are giving them a reaction. Stop reacting to them if you want them to start to stop. C. dnn

Simply put, yeah you are doomed to failure here, then. Discord is where basically all FA takes place. Without that, you're dead in the water at worst, and isolated from the P&W community at best. If you can't get it, that's a shame. That, and as others have mentioned, the larger P&W community simply doesn't care about test server shenanigans apart from contests and seeing the new changes. Test server is often wiped, and the alliances on there are mostly ephemeral. So, like, the more you care about test server stuff publically, the more people will insult and make fun of you. It's not all too nice, but that is the state of things. I'd strongly recommend either rolling with the punches, or not interacting here for one's mental health. Taking it literally is only going to make it worse. Furthermore, dnn.

Yeah, in the future, stuff like this goes as a discussion between leaders of government on private channels, such as Discord. This place is for treaties, DoEs, merges, and war/peace decs. 99.9% of the time for the main game and not the test server. Furthermore, dnn

Lmao RIP Spartans. GG SRF on your long, hard-fought campaign! I had no idea that T$ versus NPO was only 48 hours long.

So, turns out their alliance Discord got coup'd for a little bit.

[Speaking for myself and not my alliance, of course.] Damn, y'all really have a gov member dropping the hard n-word, huh? That's pretty blatantly rough, and I'm not sure how yous are going to get out of this. No wonder it's not about the debt anymore. Also looked like yous were losing on the first day of the war. GG

Congrats on having a real CB, a rarity on this site! Good luck, have fun!

Welp, it's a shame i'm on vacation till the 8th, would've loved to be a part of this. Thanks to our opposition for giving us the chance to stay out of this one, but my comrades will have fun here. Good luck, have fun, hope Orbis is still burning when I return.

Sir, this is a Wendy's. Well, really, its a forum for alliance-on-alliance wars, not... what this is.