[Courage is something Great that not everyone can practice, especially someone like OBLIVION.]

Did you declare war on a member of Hedge? 

[In Light of Recent Events]

3 hours ago, Sargun said:

IC and OOC have never been separate in nation sims.  it's fourteen years later and there are new nordreichs and there are new people who flock to nordreichs because they appeal to them.  people like akuryo, people like nordreichs, they're always gonna be here and they're always gonna have their shitty little niches as long as we tolerate them.

so what i like to do is not tolerate them.  and i think this game and whatever successor games in the future would be better off if we didn't tolerate them.  and it's really weird to see this thread about people defending an admitted fascist because they outed other fascists.  like, purging ranks of people who believe the same way you do but for a different party is literally textbook.  so very clearly there's no redemption to be had here, it's just some more nordreich shit we've been dealing with since 2007, and it's stunning that this game full of fully grown adult people haven't just grasped that this sort of intolerance has to, paradoxically, not be tolerated.

this is a very bad look for whatever dumb alliance COTL is but it's also a bad look for anyone in this community who doesn't try to push these bad actors out.  IC and OOC have never been separate, no matter how hard we've tried to pretend they are.  we wear a facade for roleplaying but people have been taking this shit personally for a long, long time.  it's better to just own up to it and kick the shitters out than to pretend we need to tolerate their garbage.

Have you read the Disclaimer portion of the logs? It doesn't seem like you have.

Akuryo once held those beliefs but do not anymore. This is proven since she outed herself in an attempt to show that we have some donkeys pretending to be stallions. Which should have started a conversation about what we are going to allow in our community. 

If she wouldn't have shown remorse for those past beliefs than she would have kicked the can down the road. Since she has by compiling the logs with intent to go public while also stating that she deserves to receive backlash for it. I am willing to believe that she does not harbor such beliefs anymore. 

Do not get me wrong, she is no Saint. We just have to come to the realization that not everything is black and white. 

 

Also, yes minesome I know where you got them and I know you posted it. From my understanding you just posted them a couple of days before she going to. 

[In Light of Recent Events]

Just now, Vero said:

Aku framed herself as a martyr to damage control for cotl

Incorrect. We did not know about the logs she compiled until they were posted on RON. Good try tho.

[In Light of Recent Events]

To the mods: This post will blur the lines between IC and OOC as in order for me to discuss the events that have recently taken place I must discuss both. If you wish to move this post to a forum that you deem more appropriate than thank you in advance. 

As many of you are aware recently there has been a full series of Logs that were created by Akuryo in order to shed light upon some of the more unsavory people within our community. These logs were created for the purpose of “coming clean” and as a warning to others that we have to be careful not to allow yourselves to become complacent when battling the more unacceptable, disgusting ideologies that some people have outside of the game. As much as I tend not to care if you are “Right” or “Left”, there are simply some viewpoints that I cannot stomach, in this case White Supremacy

To me White Supremacy, and other hate, is nothing more than a burden upon society that forever locks us into stagnation. It is the sick excuses that weak minds use to justify their complete ignorance of the world around them. It is not something to be tolerated nor is it something that we can just humor.

When I was made aware of these logs I spoke with Akuryo about them and asked her why she felt the need to put herself on the cross knowing full well what was going to come next. Her response was “But I did have to, I couldn't keep standing for what I do otherwise. People like me preach accountability. It was time to practice”. That is something I can respect, along with her attempt of making amends by coming public. This is why she will remain a member of CotL. I will not be forcing her out of the alliance she has called a home for a year nor will I be removing her from the friends she has made during that time. When she leaves it will be of her choice, not mine. With saying that she has shaken my faith in her ability to be my Second, that is why I asked for her to step down which she has done. To me that is a just punishment for her crimes given the remorse for past actions.

Unfortunately, I understand that my decision will be unacceptable to some people. That is something I am prepared to live with as someone’s personal growth can only be achieved by willingness to work towards forgiveness. For me to turn my back on someone who is looking to make amends is simply not the person I am and would be counterproductive to the person I wish to be.

[SNN-Order of the Phoenyx]

Just now, Prefonteen said:

 

 

 

Ronny, you're not the subject of conversation at the moment. You're the only person in hedge who stated that, and others in hedge promptly claimed you were out of the loop and not politically involved, after which they returned to denying, deflecting and lying.

 

 

@ lef, keeg and zig- cute damage control. Let's all take a moment to ignore the several weeks worth of hubris we saw on these forums and in discord channels where mouthpieces of your sphere and coalition claimed a bunch of ludicrous stuff to sidestep allegations that they were, you know, in cahoots.

We didn't deny agreeing to work with Swamp in a Defensive war. SRD stated this and we told you this before. Only thing you are doing is trying to grasp at straws to say that Rose, Hedge and Swamp agreed to hit you guys months before it happened which is simply not true.

[SNN-Order of the Phoenyx]

I didn't think this was a big secret since SRD already shared this at the beginning of the last war. As for me being the Mysterious Hedge Leader, who here didn't already figure that out and who won the betting pool? 

[[DoE] A New Hope]

Congrats on the merge. 

[[DOE] Independent Republic of Orange Nations (IRON)]

16 minutes ago, Valkorion Baratheon said:

Hold up...... why is your alliance color brown?

Brown is the new orange. 

[Some thoughts for next year]

4 hours ago, Roberts said:

 

However, the number one complaint every year seems to be that things turn into a popularity contest. After seeing some of the (preliminary) results, I can definitely see where they're coming from. The best war declaration winner (as of this text) has one broken image, one MS-Paint photoshopped image, and one sentence - just as an example I think it's obvious this was chosen because of the context instead of the content and I'm definitely not salty that my masterpiece is in last place. There are multiple other examples but I'm using this one because it made me salty enough to post lmao.

Next year, for whoever runs things, we should really consider a "curated" section where we get a small group of [biased] people to choose content that is actually worth winning an award. No offense to the literary genius who typed up a sentence for Hedge Money's DoW. I also noticed quite a few vote-splits that probably just made it in due to democracy - something that could be addressed better in a curated awards section.

As the person who just threw it up there for the sake of it since I knew Swamp had this unholy wall of text, I completely agree with you. It didn't warrant any recognition and it annoyed me that it was shortlisted. 

[Another loss to Orbis and the PnW community.]

Sorry for the loss of your friend and community member. May he rest in peace. 

[A Snake's Tale: Surrender, Booze, and Peace]

11 hours ago, Prefonteen said:

@ keegoz, aku and ronny- It's pretty crappy to structurally ignore, sidestep and leave out established facts corrobated by yourself and your allies/coalition partners while going pedal to the metal on a narrative that boils down to "ITS NOT TRUE YOU'RE PARANOID" when you've literally just done the thing we're supposedly paranoid about, and when you've stated already in diplomatic channels that the chance exists for it to occur again.

It's similarly shitty to pretend you did not spin up a shitty hEgEmOnY narrative back in february (and kept it up for months in backchannels, spilling over into public occasionally), deliberately misrepresented quack's size in the graphs you publicized to anyone who wanted to listen (Pantheon a quack ally? Really?) and maintained under-the-table agreements against us, while simultaneously announcing that your support this war was solely down to quack's behavior.

Seriously. You're right. If that's the road you're going to take, we'll be here again in 4 months. I hope we aren't, but it looks to me like you're already beating the drums for it in case Quack has the gal not to split at your demand.

I wish you the best of luck with it. I'm available for actual diplomacy in backchannels, as several on your side have experienced. Right now HM is the only party relations are still deteriorating with. And that's frankly down to you.

 

 

If you choose to keep putting your back up to anything we say than there will be no going forward. We will be doomed to repeat ourselves over and over again. That is not a threat, or a promise, its just seems to be the cycle around here. A cycle I hope we can break. 

We have already told you about the Hedge-Swamp Defensive deal and why we felt it was right at the time. You can't keep disregarding our position simply because you don't like it. Its not a lie that Quack actions help lead us on a path, its not a lie that we were uncomfortable with your size and ability. Those are all facts and its the combination of those facts that put us where we are today.

You are wrong that its up to Hedge to repair our relationship. Its both of us that have to sit down and settle things. 

[A Snake's Tale: Surrender, Booze, and Peace]

1 hour ago, Cooper_ said:

I tend to agree, which is why @Benfro was at one point specifically requesting a Quack-only NAP.  We had taken the damages, and we needed the diplomatic cover to assess or perhaps reassess our FA position.  After KF, you guys experienced what it's like on the other side of a dogpile, and it's not always pretty.  Having a few extra months to figure thing out and mend relations for Quack is frankly a good thing if you want to avoid a rote repeat.  However, Ben had to drop that point, despite my insistence, because of your side's requests to that effect and focus on negotiating only on the length.

TI and TFP took the dive on wishful thinking. They didn't sit back and use excuses as to why they couldn't do this or that, they just did it. They were starting out fresh with no sure things or big players coming to help them. Yet, I'm supposed to believe that the most competent, experienced bloc in the game couldn't get it together in three months or less? Sounds like I have more faith in your abilities than you do. 

The NAP had to be a blanket. If it wasn't than you guys would of had way too much of an advantage with little reason to work towards mending bridges or changing direction. All you would do is sit back and watch us run into each other than clap someone down the road. Why would I think that? Simply because that is what I would do. People are like water and will always take the easiest route, its no fault of our own just nature. At least this way Swamp gets the chance to fix their train wreck, Tyrion and Harry can mold the bloc of their dreams and Quack can find your smile again. Not happy about it but it is what it is and I agreed to it. 

We all share the blame for the war since each of us had our roles to play ensuring it would happen, be it Hedge agreeing to defend Swamp or elements of Quack's attitude towards the other blocs. Without all the factors we wouldn't have lead up to where we are. I'm not going to argue the CB since frankly, CB's are perspective. Sphinx's resignation and Boyce's desire to see CotL get smoked allowed you to see what you wanted and you rolled with it. Thats perfectly acceptable since with the shoe on the other foot I'd have went for it no differently.

Problem is, now we have to move on and that means coming to an understanding. People say they need trust but trust doesn't exist. We need to listen, reflect and act upon the concerns or else we will be back here again wasting our time yelling at walls. Sorry if that sounds preachy but thats my after school special moment. 

Phoenyx don't even waste your time quoting me. I'm not interested in getting sucked into the vortex my man. 

 

[A Snake's Tale: Surrender, Booze, and Peace]

6 minutes ago, Phoenyx said:

 

Actually, when it comes to Quack's notion that HM was going to attack Quack, I think most if not all people on the non Quack side agree that it was bs. Ronnie spanned things up a bit with his comment regarding Swamp, but he -never- said that HM was going to attack Quack first, quite the opposite in fact. 

Who cares? They felt threatened, we felt threatened. War happened. Welcome to the game. You can write about it again when the next war happens.

[Where to now, Immortals and TFP?]

57 minutes ago, Phoenyx said:

I think the PnW version of a gag order would be Alex or one of his moderators forbidding something. -That- I have to follow if I want to keep on playing. 

No, there is a difference between the rules of our creator and rules of us mere mortals. When an alliance asks you not to talk about something than its a gag order. Its really not a complex idea. 

[Where to now, Immortals and TFP?]

27 minutes ago, Phoenyx said:

 

No, this is what a gag order is:

**A gag order (also known as a gagging order or suppression order) is an order, typically a legal order by a court or government, restricting information or comment from being made public or passed onto any unauthorized third party. The phrase may sometimes be used of a private order by an employer or other institution.**

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_order

No one ordered me to do anything. It was more like, "You want to post in the forums about the war,  you can't be in our Alliance". I had a choice to make and I made it. 

That is the PnW version of a gag order. 

[Chapter 5: “This is the part where you run away”]

22 minutes ago, Isjaki said:

This is surely an interesting FA direction. The part I'm curious about is whether is it a 'hard' exit, or a 'soft' one, where they keep de-facto ties to the bloc, like in BK/NPO. 

Either way, all the best to ya'll.

Judging by the drop mid war, a hard exit is my guess. 

[2020 PnW Academy Awards]

7 hours ago, Adrienne said:

Correct. I would think those usually qualify under "Best Rebrand", which is on our nomination list already for people to vote next week to include as a category if they'd like.

Must of missed the Best Rebrand. Thank you for clearing that up. 

[2020 PnW Academy Awards]

Out of curiosity, Best Rookie Alliance will be one of the new start ups and not the merged or restarts. Correct? 

[[DoW] Let The Show Begin!]

4 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

I'm not here for your personal entertainment, child.

Get back under your bridge than. 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

36 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Except for, you know, the whole part where we didn't take it when the opportunity did arise.  But keep spewing this hysterical nonsense.  I think the only people you're trying to convince are yourselves, trying to assure yourselves that you didn't just become pawns in an actual Swamp hegemony.

I can't wait to see how the war after this one plays out.  Oh boy, it's going to be fun to watch.

How little you know but how mighty you talk.

We are not the ones running around complaining because we didn't get to have that nice easy war on HM and a deflated TCW. We are not the ones crying about how we are something we aren't. If you cannot accept the point of view as to why alliances were nervous about Quack than by all means exit the conversation. 

I am not worried about a Swamp Hegemony and if they tried to create one I'd slap them as well. In fact, I'm confident enough to say we would burn Hedge to the ground before any of us would prop one up. This is simply that, ensuring that one doesn't take place.

Like I said before, learn to take some ownership and give some thought about how three independent blocs came to the aid of one another. 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

51 minutes ago, Once-ler said:

In a fight: 10 grown adults would be able to easily handle 2 grown adults. 10 grown adults would also be able to easily handle 3 adults and 100 3 year old children.

I'd rather take the chance with 10 adults. My three year old beats the unholy hell out of me and thats all in the name of playing. 

18 minutes ago, Lord Vader said:

Did you just insult your own allies?

Anyway, I too disagree with the comparison between us and IQ. I can also state that as a new leader in the field that both The Syndicate and The Knights Radiant have taken immense measures to ensure our sphere does not grow to be what you call a "hegemony". Many possible routes to peruse that would have grown our sphere in size were shot down.

This whole conflict was launched with a purely defensive view, like stated so many times we saw a threat and acted upon it, only to find out the rest of the game had allied upon us and now we find ourselves dogpiled.

Are you really going to complain about a dog pile when you tried to dogpile us? Don't be a hypocrite. Wars are never even so maybe you guys should take some ownership as to why this happened instead of being mad that it did. 

It isn't a secret that Quack's size and ability made everyone leary that they could position themselves to be the next Hegemony. It is simple logic. For all your "immense measures" taken it didn't stop you guys from becoming so big that it would take at least two blocs in order to challenge you. Not one of the other blocs, be it Hedge, Rose, or Swamp has the ability to challenge on its own. Even a HedgeSwamp coalition would be a very uphill battle. So when you say that you watched your size I'm going to call nonsense on that. All you done was keep yourselves just under the bar.

Like it or not, Hegemony is bad for business and you done nothing to prove that you wouldn't take it if opportunity arises. 

[[DoW] Feel the Rhythm (of War)]

15 minutes ago, Lord Vader said:

As @Prefonteen said, we saw a threat, we acted upon it. 

 

And as I said, will we loose? Probably; Do we regret it? Not one bit.
It would be rather stupid of us to just sit back for another month just for you guys to dogpile us, at least this way we had a chance.
Trust me when I say this is in no way a compliment, as for refusing to work with Sphinx, didn't all of Hedge start inside of tCW sphere? Some food for thought, but also an honest question.

Glhf

Not at all. Soup which was one of the alliances that formed CotL came from the Chaos bloc, our friends in Grumpy, KT and Guardian were all from KETOGG. E404 bailed on TEst when they found out how trashy they were and NP which was the other partner in the CotL merger had a failing out with Sphinx. Not to mention Soup disliked TCW. So please tell me why we cared enough about Sphinx and how he became the mastermind. 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

24 minutes ago, Asierith said:

We can't just break tradition, can we?

It will break my heart if the next global doesn't start with a Sphinx log. He is gone but never forgotten. 

[[DOW]Pantheon vs Crusaders of the Holy Boogaloo]

38 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

Like I'm sure many others, I'm lost on this conflict. Can someone make an MS Paint job, or map, or infograph explaining which alliances on which sides, why everyone is fighting, and who exactly attacked who? That would go a long way to explaining what's going on to people like me who don't pay attention to micro affairs. 

I will be your best friend if you do this.

Aurora got butthurt that some useless mirco left them mid war to join another useless mirco bloc so they declared war on said useless mirco. Now Pantheon joined the war of the useless. 

I think that sums it up. I'd draw a picture but really I don't own a big enough box of crayons. 

[[ROH]Pantheon vs Children of the Light]

5 hours ago, Orcinus Orca said:

Huh. Given that yall went on the offensive countering for your prot, it seems as if indeed it is a DoW, not an RoH. 

You say potato, they say tomato.