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Just now, SleepingNinja said:
@Smith At what point did I say it was okay? And your also fine with breaking Alex's terms and conditions? I literally put a link where Alex himself states anyone 13 and under are not allowed to play PnW, how is that bullying?
That you are focusing on a 11 year old ignoring the sign up policy to a text-based browser game instead of fully grown adults asking for that 11 year old child to expose their face is very concerning to me.
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7 minutes ago, SleepingNinja said:
I hope your not one that supports breaking the rules. As @Alex has stated multiple times minors playing PnW is against the rules. Here's proof
Wow that's one hell of a glass house there bud. I'd like to remind everyone that Instagram, Twitter, and Snap Chat all exist. Millennials such as SupremePatty are quite literally famous for doing stupid shit like eating dog food, or squeezing lemons into their own eyes if you honestly think what GOONs are doing is that bad why aren't you guys actively trying to stop IRL shit like - again - SupremePatty who actually have influence over young individuals which for some insane reason they look up to as role models. And more importantly if you have been, why is it organizations such as Instagram have yet to permanently ban these individuals. I think it's a hell of a lot more concerning that Instagram has yet to ban a user like SupremePatty over Alex worrying about an optional term that an individual has chosen to partake in.
Also I needn't remind you all of the "Tide pod challenge" that happened a few years back. In comparison at least GOONs aren't asking these people to eat poisonous liquids that will kill those who decide to "be a man" or whatever the hell terms they're using to justify the stupidity happening in the younger generations. The point being that these kids will likely do stupid or illogical things like eating cat food regardless of if GOONs ask them to or not as a Mercy Board term.
As far as kids go in this game thought, see my reply to Bourhann. It is against the rules for anyone 13 or under to play.
It's not okay for people to bully children because they played a video game before they should, what is wrong with you?
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1 minute ago, Comrade Marx said:
Not only is Smith a weenie, he can't read either.
I skimmed through this thread so maybe I missed this being addressed? But right now I just see attempts to discredit the people upset with OOC bullying rather than addressing the bullying itself. As somebody who has also frequently spoken up against the racism, sexism, etc in this game long before GOONS got here this is also something that is important to be addressed and should not just be swept under the rug because KT/TGH have done terrible things too
Just now, AppealDenied said:So if we listen to everything NPO tells us to do, we're shills. If we don't listen to everything they tell us to do, we're abhorrent amoral people who should be stomped from existence
Neat.
Incorrect. I am pointing out the narrative that it's only Nazi sympathizers who do not like this as demonstrably false.
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10 hours ago, dancemasterlee said:
All the garbage crying about the mercy-board, happen to be the same ones that have no issue with rampant racism,homophobia,trans-phobia etc and many cases promote it etc I wonder why.
alas the mercyboard is going no-where
Actually your own ally called mercy board's "essentially abhorrent" and said that "when we were in a position to do something about it in Orbis, we did" following up with "I do hope it doesn't return in any shape or form in PnW again"
Keep in mind this was just referring to MS Paint drawings and not requiring people to eat fish food.
The narrative that it's just Nazis upset about trying to bullying people into this is invalid
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34 minutes ago, Pop said:
I've been saying this for years now, we read the forums, most of us just don't care to comment on KERCHTOG$' circlejerking. Myself excepted.
What result are you hoping for? Us to agree with you and validate your self aggrandizement? Or one guy to show up with a dissenting opinion so you all can jump down his throat?
This thread full of KERCHTOG$ members pretending to ponder the question of why Coalition B members aren't bumbling into a hostile environment is hilarious though ngl.
As was pointed out earlier your side had no problem arguing and blaming our side for the delay in talks earlier. It's only now that actual evidence has been displayed that you don't want to particpate in a "circlejerk".
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It's funny that people like @Shadowthrone always try to make a big deal out of what the #2 of an alliance said meanwhile he is the #2 of NPO and has this in his signature:
Apparently it only counts if it's our side doing it
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38 minutes ago, Epi said:Both sides have their faults, but this is the weakest and most inaccurate attempt to demonize Coalition B. Neither side wants peace.
The "both sides are bad" argument doesn't work when one side is doing their best to negotiate and are providing proof that the other side is intentionally stalling. I appreciate you being honest that your side does not want peace though.
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2 hours ago, ComradeMilton said:We're still not going to do public stuff just because Pre leaked private logs. The condition of this being done in private remains.
Your coalition leadership has previously had no problem discussing who was stalling the negotiations and blaming us for it. This has happened in multiple threads throughout the OWF. Here is such an example:
It is only now that those claims have been proven to be false that your coalition has stopped posting and started complaining about us providing evidence for your side's lies and gaslighting.
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1 minute ago, Pop said:
I'm just a regular guy looking for some juice, sorry to disappoint you by not giving a detailed response about a peace process I have no involvement in and know nothing about ?
No worries! Feel free to forward the thread to your leadership!
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NPO sure is quick to respond to things that can change the topic but not the actual content of Partisan's thread. Will be 48 hours without a real response soon
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It really says a lot that this thread has been up for more than 24 hours and so far nobody is disputing the proof of Coalition B's stalling, instead they are only making threats because the evidence was provided.
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Something I noticed in those logs is while individuals such as Skae were appointed to represent Coalition B in talks they are not actually in channels where the decision making process is made. Which makes these "representatives" essentially only a middleman/messenger for the people who make the actual decisions. This another example of something that provides no benefit but drags the negotiation process out.
This is especially concerning because as can be seen in multiple posts by Coalition B leadership whenever those leaders are asked a question they defer to the representatives who they know full well are out of the loop.
To quote a certain hamster "This is very problematic".
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10 minutes ago, George Clooney said:Evidently, you like the current state of things, and don't want peace. So be it. I'm comfortable watching your members delete in frustration (R.I.P. G Nation) and your alliances slowly die.
Well this thread has already got a more open response from Coalition B on their intent.
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> require your opponents to do something illegal
> call the cops on them
> they are arrested and you win by defaultThis is the real 4D chss
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Should have been obvious these logs were fake when somebody said they like TKR, GOONS isn't that dumb
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Just now, Roquentin said:
So is that the TKR-BK-NPO mini-sphere? Well, it's about time that got finalized.
It's Lordship pride week so we are calling it a "micro" sphere
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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:
I direct you to Malal and TheNG for that or whoever is officially in charge. I just woke up two hours ago and was forced to post an announcement and I still don't know what's going on.
My understanding is we are now allies
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Just now, Shadowthrone said:
Difference is your FA team goes out and claims that like the gospel. "TKR is transparent please listen to us!" On the other hand, I don't need to post logs and out my source outside of submitting it to my allies, which I did.
Yes and we provide evidence of our claims because we are confident in them.
1 minute ago, Shadowthrone said:Aww, then probably should stop blaming us for your members quitting then.
But I can't while you continue to artificially lengthen the process with the goal of making people quit!
4 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:I'll use it whenever I want to. Tyvm.
?Fa ? ir enough ?
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5 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:
Got it, so you haven't approached the talks in good faith, and trying to pin it on us! A lot of those complaints arise within the last three years too, but I guess you'd prefer to not really listen to folks and wash your hands off stuff this very government has pulled. Definitely the paragon of transparency and consistency.
The KF peace talks were a matter of annoyance and definitely ended up with certain sections of our coalition at that point intentionally screwing us over. Thats a fact we see. But keep repeating your line like some sort of gotcha. .
We certainly are doing our best with the artificially lengthy framwork you have provided us. But as you know, we aren't perfect.
I am sorry if dogpiling us was inconvenient for you, truly I am. When people are dogpiled they should certainly think about whether their aggressor is getting annoyed or not. I'm also sorry you don't feel we are transparent. Oh by the way, in the issue of transparency can you post those logs you used as your CB for this war?
Also you forgot to use ?????
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6 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:
1. The system depends on how you approach the talks. If your approach is to waste time, no system can deal with that. KF is a prime example of that. So the time period really depends on how you handle your end of things.
2. One war two fronts isn't a novel idea.
3. That post of Parti boi isn't something I need to particular answer, because what was doesn't really matter to me. What is does, and here you have this. Either roll with it, or own your actions in having your players quit.
The peace process did. Also the peace process was a certified mess dragged out by your side, that makes it clearer that the KF system is dead. Your alliance has the capability of dragging out negotiations over a publicly available document, and up until two weeks ago, claimed it "felt" like it was winning and therefore will not surrender. So how do you deal with alliances that refuse to take a L, and yet leaks terms and blames their opposition for their own leadership's refusal to negotiate and approach negotiations in bad faith? You try to create a system that minimises a lot of those risks.
Therein lies your problem. Alas, I'll await the Smith defence of how TKR is a righteous and honourable alliance given its history is filled with duplicitous behaviour most folks here had to deal with.
Well rolling TKR twice in a year does have its benefits
More like you tried your luck shoehorning yourself into a peace agreement that was denied
But whenever the Coalition is ready, one will open up the articles of your surrender 
?How we approach the talks ? doesn't matter much when you artificially lengthen the process. ?It is difficult for me to address a lot of the complaints you make about TKR because while I have played this game for ?3 years they are often things that happened before I joined PnW. ? It's interesting that you consider dogpiling an alliance for months as us hurting you though. ?
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7 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:
The length of negotiations depends on how you approach it. It could be orderly and we could go through it quite quickly, or we can sit here and pontificate on how you don't like the process. Prolonging negotiations isn't going to change the method or change the terms of your surrender.
The negotiations are intentionally being lengthen by your process. Here are some bullet points that might help you understand how. They might look familiar:
"So you're admitting that t$/$yndispere never did negotiations your way? Specifically:
- we never made our opponents wait multiple weeks before presenting terms after they offered their surrender.
- we never revealed terms one at a time, forcing opposition to accept term 1 before being allowed to see term 2 (and so on).
- we never force-split peace negotiations into two servers. The times we did have split negotiations, we gave opposition the choice between leaving the war seperately, or negotiating together. It was their choice, not our demand.
Procedurally, there are very few if any similarities between the way peace talks were historically conducted and your "super cool new structured way". Can you kindly stop making blatantly false claims?"
Just change "we never" to "IQ is currently"
7 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:Why I do love your meme, its easy to use TKR as an example given the litany of actions your alliance has committed that has intentionally harmed mine. The KF peace was another on that list. Actually almost everyone in this coalition has been wronged by the TKR, so its literally the easiest of examples to use
Wow you were able to do both lines in one section! Also interesting to hear that dogpiling TKR in KnightFall hurt NPO?
7 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:While TKR is not the only alliance in the coalition, I still do believe you'd be the one dragging the rest of your coalition mates in any negotiation. One should ask @Sphinx about your antics during KF, to see how you've approached negotiations in bad faith.
If I wanted Sphinx's opinion I'd just wait for him to leak it
7 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:I'm fine either way. Continuing to roll TKR is oft a welcome topic in the NPO
I have no doubt. Hopefully it doesn't hurt you like KF apparently did?
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6 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said:
I love how we're being blamed for people quitting the game, because of KERTCHOGG's leaders unwillingness in negotiating peace accords. At the end of the day, this is the system you have to work with. Either you can, or own up to folks quitting the game because of your unwillingness to surrender and negotiate peace.
Also for all the claims that the previous method was far superior, TKR still dragged out negotiations over a publicly available document for what 2+ months? It's quite fun to see them blaming everyone else for their own leadership's failure in coming to negotiations with the idea to actually arrive at a consensus based peace.
Either way, if the war continues, we're more than happy to drag the war out till our peace goals are achieved
You are being blamed for creating a peace system that is intentionally slow with the goal to drive people out of the game.
Also while I know you are Keshavbot and must fulfill line 1. blame TKR and line 2. passive aggressive emoji, TKR is not the only alliance in our coalition.
I have no doubt you are happy to "drag out" the war because that's obviously your real goal
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Gosh darn it Hodor, now he is going to ignore both Partisan AND I and only respond to you
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1 minute ago, Aragorn, son of Arathorn said:
Any particular reason you keep ignoring that you haven't shown any intentional actions, and any actions you have pointed to can easily apply to you if thats the case. I responded to partisan and said we are conducting them in a more ordered way. Remember that its your alliance that made peace talks so miserable last time that we decided this was the structure to do them.
I have said the actions you have taken on multiple occasions now. The post from Partisan you are ignoring even lists some of them in bullet point. Maybe you missed that so I'll post it for you again. Here are some of the intentional actions:
"So you're admitting that t$/$yndispere never did negotiations your way? Specifically:
- we never made our opponents wait multiple weeks before presenting terms after they offered their surrender.
- we never revealed terms one at a time, forcing opposition to accept term 1 before being allowed to see term 2 (and so on).
- we never force-split peace negotiations into two servers. The times we did have split negotiations, we gave opposition the choice between leaving the war seperately, or negotiating together. It was their choice, not our demand.
Procedurally, there are very few if any similarities between the way peace talks were historically conducted and your "super cool new structured way". Can you kindly stop making blatantly false claims?"
Just change "we never" to "IQ is currently"
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Something to consider
in Orbis Central
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This is exactly part of the problem. If you are in a situation where you cannot reliably know who is on the other side of the screen you can't really argue for informed consent when you're not certain one party is actually able to reliably make that decision. The obvious solution then is just not do the action that might result in asking a child to expose their face to a bunch of adults.
I like many of GOONS players and some of them I consider friends, but this behavior is gross to me. I said this in DMs to a person in GOONS gov earlier but I'm not just going to sit back and pretend this is okay. If you are in a situation where you have to say the words "we aren't going to ask people to eat pet food anymore" maybe you should realize you fricked up somewhere along the way.