Shadowthrone

:It's fun being questioned who am I, on an almost daily basis here on the forums. It's not an irrelevant topic. It's about a CB used during another war. The fact that you'd consider irrelevant is your call, but its a CB, for a war, that was based around a leak test. You were claiming otherwise, by your own argument requires you to drop the said logs. However major one that is, revealing our source to me has more for us to lose, than attempting to make you believe us. It's simpler to not get into a "he-said/she-said" argument given how the said logs are relevant solely to our security and nothing else. As you said, I don't particularly care if you believe me or not. It's clear you do not, and my posts aren't for you to magically believe me. We're in a war with you, and I don't think my job here is to convince you deserve to be hit. I doubt even the most rock-tight of CB's has that effect, given how your very own CB is from May, and you made zero effort to check if BK still had those plans etc. So I mean it's an effort in futility with far more to lose for me and our relationships with people, than to dump them for your perusal. This isn't a court of law, I don't particularly have to submit proofs for your adjudication. I do have to submit this information to specific people to whom I have, as was required and discussions were held regarding the information.

Aww that breaks my heart @Kevanovia But if doing threat perceptions and having information regarding intentions, and in generally seeing how things play out after long years at this makes one cautious, and therefore predicates action based off that caution, I don't think its paranoia. There's enough information to go off with when running general intra-governmental threat perception arguments, and how we're going to plan for the next few months/years and how we're going to position ourselves. If things were untrue, I doubt I'd be posting about it I mean the logs are simple enough to read. Sphinx was asked to peel away folks and those are logs that are there. Chaos existed before IQ split, and Sphinx and the extended protection to find new allies, wasn't a means for clean split. It backfired when he decided to break out on his own and take tCW on a different non-TKR route. I have no idea on the interior workings of the tCW-BK treaty, I just knew it was happening and was as surprised as anyone else. Still struggling to see how any of that information is false. I wish TKR was our big bad. Honestly, the only thing I do care about is NPO's security, and if there's information out there that we're planning to be hit in the near future, I sure as hell would have to relay that info and as a government we'd have to act. Or else we're failing our duty of running the alliance. I mean pleading the fifth is fine. Tbh that screenshot is ironic to me, and I remembered it was said literally when I was responding to Shiho lol. Just find it funny that the questions one set of folks face are inherently different to what others face.

There's wasn't a legendary source, it was outlined in Roq's DoW originally. Dio's post and the importance of it lay in the last set of screen shots. The rest was to showcase the actions of TKR that confirmed for us their intent, specifically with regards to trying play folks with regards to tCW. Just because Buor does not feel the need to defend his point, does not mean we all don't have to. If there are narratives on the forums, we're free to counter it, and that's the point in an exchange of opinions. Also given that you're still here posting and almost everyone from your side is still questioning it, we're free to defend ourselves, even if you find it annoying or tiresome. I don't post here to please you, and I don't particularly care if you believe me or find me annoying. I do counter the spin that's found on these forums, to offer the context/ logic behind our decisions so that folks who do want to give it a read, are free to. I mean your non-answer answer is as much as an answer already But glad folks are learning!

I mean Buor's clear, it benefits him not to reveal his source/ logs. Why should the standard be any different for us? Or am I mistaken that standard only applies to your side now?

I mean the logs/chats haave been disclosed to enough people who are involved. I don't need to burn the person with a public disclosure anyway. The IQ/ Sphinx peeling off from TKR to help peel IQ allies away while maintaining a close relationship with TKR logs were more an icing on the cake and was something we believed was planned for. We've reasonably backed up our entrance to this war, pointing out in a complex set of walls of texts our reasoning for the same through out this thread. The conversation Adrienne had with people was a confirmation that made it clear on how things were going to play out, so yeah I mean it's beyond reasonable doubt for us that TKR were a threat and the conversations that existed proved that we'd be best placed to hit now. Our actions stem from needing to secure ourselves and nothing else. The fact that we received specific information around when BK was hit, meant that was an active goal and we delayed our entrance given that we shared the intel with those who required it, to have a conversation regarding it. The logs that we did share, while a bit older, was to showcase a plan by TKR/Chaos originally to have Sphinx/tCW to peel away BKsphere and weaken IQ and turn around to hit them. The point behind that was to showcase TKR's behaviour not with just IQ as an actor but the idea of having tCW as some sort of Benedict Arnold, which combined with a litany of other information and the logs we received, ensured that our best option was to enter during this war. Those logs are often misconstrued as our CB, when they are not. Also fyi, just following Buorhann's advice regarding revealing our sources/logs

I have made no such claim. So that'd be categorically false. Unless its the TKR plotting on IQ, which was collected around similar times of our entrance etc. But that isn't why we hit. Nor the logs relating to our CB.

Gathered after the fact we hit?

Aww so cute. Our actions have been consistent and defending our interests is always paramount. If there's a threat, we've always said, we'll hit. So here we are.

I mean goalpost shifting and changing narratives has been a constant when most folks from KERTCHOGG posts, so that’s not the ideal come back one should use I mean we’ve said a lot of things and all of them have been similar in its implication. Seems more like you’re interested in selective reading and picking out specific portions to run on and when that fails pick up other parts of our argument and then calling it a shifting narrative. Most of our WoTs and statements on radio shows by me for example get reduced to the lowest/easiest understanding rather than actually listening/arguing over the central points/nuances. There’s been very few people who’ve attempted to do that so far.

Pretty much. Answered your own question there.

Lol. The context was given. But if this is the hill you choose to keep harping after, go on. You really need new material to harp about.

I doubt that. DNFJ's been in PnW long enough and I doubt is interested screwing the pooch when he's busy bringing his community here. I'd suggest letting it happen and seeing how they go before trying to spoil the jury pool @Noctis Anarch Caelum

What he said is more worse than actual policy? Got it. You're truly onto something! I'm yet to see you arguing without throwing insults, but I mean you do you. I have no interest in particular responding to your barbs with serious posts. I'm capable of responding to those who've been arguing with an intent to exchange ideas. Just ask @Cooper_ since I'm busy spending hours writing posts in response to him. But I mean I'm fine ignoring you, just don't bring it up next time as a "serious" effort to talk to me and then use that to assume how I deal with issues related to the NPO I'll continue going about defending our reasons for the war, so feel free to continue stepping in whatever. It makes for a good laugh.

Ooof. Got it. A post here represents talking to me. Now that you have brought that post here, a simple response is, knowing @Aragorn, son of Arathorn, his last intention is to drive people out of the game. He does use that fact though to mock people given it was used heavily on BK around AC. "BK's lost so many players, you folks are utter crap." Has he ever specifically wanted drive people out of the game? From my experience no. If he ever did design terms in such a way, it would surprise me ?‍♀️ But it's a nice spin to try to make me guilty of toxicity. I do enjoy the idea that I'm not arguing in good faith, when you're post is laced with insults/ assuming people's motivations/character from the get go and that this kind of posting requires some kind of serious rebuttal. Lets face it, you don't practice with you preach, and try really hard to paint your enemies as deranged etc. Get off your moral high horse and then maybe, I'll consider anything you say seriously

Aww I’ve failed Thraxs standards of etiquettes on posting. Clearly this means something. Your disingenuous nonsense aside, feel free to point out the problems with how I post? Are my walls of texts too long for you? Would memes and farcical gotchas count as a better method to talk to people? Last I checked, you haven’t spoken to me, so I’d suggest you attempt to do that in my DMs whenever

Right personal insults? That’ll stop when you folks stop making a loss personal I haven’t seen anyone here drive people out of a game. If that’s a consequence of a war you started, that’s not on us either Also I’m fundamentally against mercy boards/humiliation for mistakes. Has nothing to do with CN as much as I find the entire idea detestable and did something politically to stop it. I guess that’s just politics and war

A mercy board, or something that exists to humiliate folks because of their mistakes/ or just for someone's else's fun is essentially abhorrent imho. It's why when we were in a position to do something about it in Orbis, we did. I do hope it doesn't return in any shape or form in PnW again, but let us see, one can only hope!

Lol ?‍♀️ More invasions are good

No you just call for the disbandment of communities and then busy posting about slaveholder alliances. Not to mention, your posts in this thread. I like how you believe you're entitled to any benefit of the doubt or saintliness from the NPO. If someone straight up asks me as a new player who to stay away from, you'll probably be the first person who's post history I'd use as the best example of the toxicity that exists here in public and why I'd recommend staying far away from this cesspool.

Judging by your posts and rhetoric,I think it’s safe to assume that if anyone asks me to ever recommend turning up here or any other public space in this game that you haunt, I’d recommend against it. There are very few spaces safe in this game for new players thanks to the trolling and general toxicity in public. Even more so to people who don’t buy into your cultural mores or norms. Given that here are three hundred people experimenting and wanting time to figure out the game without needing to deal with accusations of being bots/Multis or being fed bullshit political meta to scare them out of the game, I concur in recommending them to take the time they need before venturing out. At the end of the day they took that informed choice after the events on PnW discord, I smuggest you look there and at admin to make this game more welcoming before once again trying to pin the blame on roq or us with regards to your own actions and some others in the public sphere so far.

Quichwe flexed and we hit. He messed up an important hit which screwed us over for a couple of rounds. He then intentionally was busy quoting Adrienne and had zero interest to deal with us in any neutral manner. He got hit. I mean at that point we were annoyed with folks trying to screw around with us because it seemed we were in a losing position, so hopefully this makes it clear to not flex because you bet on the wrong horse. Given everything else that went on the back room, we had enough justification for a war and it was expanded when we could handle it. BK hungers for wars just like anyone else but to call our hit on tFP unjustified doesn’t work, since for us there was ample reason to hit TFP and it happened.

We aren’t pressuring them to anything. They decided after their wonderful welcome on PnWs discord to stay away. That was their call. That quoted image isn’t by Roq or NPO gov. They can decide for themselves how to conduct themselves and you’re best placed to not force your opinions onto those who haven’t consented to listen to it at the moment.

Yeah and also stay off PNW forums and other public places till they are organised and willing too. That wasn’t a message by Roq btw it was by their community organiser after a couple of people joined the PnW public server earlier on and were trolled/put on the spot. If you’re going to try to build a narrative at least try to have all the facts on the ground before running with it. If their servers are off limits, it’s decent to respect that. You don’t need to go around hunting down all the places they hang out and intrude on their privacy, especially servers that have no bearing to you or the game.

Aww thx. Love the rest of your post, seems Mama Adrienne has trained you well. Youre asking a pointed question that need not be answered. Had you asked how you could help integrate new players, you’d have got a proper answer. If you’re question basically amounts to NPO man bad, you’re going to get an answer deserving of said question.

Got it new players bad. Scare tactic. All a ploy. Such a nice welcome to the game you’re showing. funnily I’ve said it in multiple radios shows and always supported invasions and newer blood to the game. It makes it more interesting. So go ahead bring your hundreds of anything the challenge is more fun than having to deal with you lot.