The Mad Titan

Theirs do, otherwise they wouldn’t be down to 95 active members.

Enlighten me on these "mass-deployed alliance-killer tactics". I am woefully uninformed.

Considering that's the party line is the war doesn't matter they will just rebuild instantly, they seem to think so, or are at least posturing as such.

This entirely proves why this is necessary. You just said that there will be no accountability for vm nations and they will be allowed to stay intact due to their economic impact. TCW also hasn't been rolled since the GPA wars of 2016, so you have had 2 1/2 years of nothing to build up your alliance bank for rebuild. You also keep beating a dead horse on "punishing vm nations", when it has been shown many times they are being treated no differently than their compatriots.

Pre touched on this but with such a diverse coalitions you will have many different reasons for certain actions, that term is a coalition term that reflects its will. So while many people may have different reasons for why they want it, they all want it nonetheless. The "War Heros" remark was simply a facetious comment on the excessive E-Lawyering occurring in the peace talks. At the end of the day it doesn't matter why they didn't fight only that they did not take damage they would have otherwise taken. You are completely right in that it is your responsibility to find the real ones, but that doesn't excuse the legit ones from taking no damage in a war.

I don't think demanding billions in reparations would be considered a better deal.

Guardian and TKR set this exact precedent for ensuring equal damage when they made Rose's upper tier get rolled in Silent War, this is hardly a new concept. Additionally TKR allowed Test no more than 700 infra per city post papers please. Acting like these are new conditions is just plain false, simply no war since Papers Please has there been a victor decisive enough to enact them.

I mean you can argue TKR is being punished, but that’s pretty much the point of war. Their argument is that we are specifically punishing VM nations more than the average player, which is not true.

It's not contradictory. Punish would imply they are being treated harsher than the average member, when it is simply demanding they match their fellow alliance members infra levels. Determine the legitimacy is on their side, but that occurs after they are damaged not before. Missing the war does not entitle you to no damage regardless of why you missed it. "Burn them all, TKR will know their own"

Our point is that it does not matter if it is legitimate or not. They would have been reduced to 1000 infra if they had been present, and they were not. They are not being singled out in more so than the average member, who is at a similar level of infra. It is up to TKR and their side to determine whether they will continue to house members who avoided the war, but that is irrelevant to the act of ensuring they were damaged as if they had participated in the war.

The VM term is a coalition term, notice how Ripper and Partisan have also defended it. "Hurr Durr Big Bad IQ" -SRD, 2018 You can see exactly what IQ requested and its a fairly minor detail, so nice try. As for the second part, well if people had to take bets on if TCW and GoB, the biggest offenders of pixel hugging, and if IQ/T$/Paperless last longer, I have the a feeling I know where most peoples money would go.

Thrax hit it on the head with this one (ew). That means enforcement is on the player base rather than the admin, which is fine. If ensuring VM nations are held accountable, regardless of reason, that's a good precedent to set within the game.

True but most of the net damage gains are due to fighting one specific alliance. Most of the coalition will remain similar to where they are now.

So a more serious breakdown of why the VM needs to happen in the opinion of our coalition. Start by taking look at these links: TCW TKR GoB TCW obviously loses the most in this arrangement, and its obvious these VM nations are the rebuild plan for their side. Allowing this to happen is simply unacceptable when addressing the economic disparity of sides. Those TCW nations can generate over 300 million a day for TCW's rebuild, something that we won't allow to happen. You can argue some of the VM is legitimate reasons, but the simple fact is it doesn't matter. We don't care if it's legitimate. I fully agree that it's their responsibility to decide if they want to keep deserters in their alliance or not. However, this occurs after we equalize the damage dealt to them, not before. The argument is we are "punishing" them, which is flat out wrong. Lets start with the definition of punish: Punish VERB Treat (someone) in an unfairly harsh way. Their VM nations are not being treated in an unfair way relative to their alliance mates. All members still fighting are below 1k infra, or on their way there. In fact, most are substantially below that so VM nations are being treated less harshly. Then the argument that the winning side should do the same is also frankly ridiculous. This isn't a Global Summit building a player consensus, this is a war they lost and that's the demands for peace. We are holding their members accountable, since we don't trust them to do so. The winners can deal with their own, and owe nothing to those who lost in the most complete loss in a global since NPO's first time. Sure they can stay at war, but it's a lot harder to maintain a losing war than a winning one. If they want to keep going so be it, but it is easier to sell making sure perennial war deserters lose their infra to the winning coalition's members than protecting them to the losing side's members. Ultimately it will come down to their membership to deciding when they no longer want to protect pixel huggers at their own expense.

Goodnight, sweet prince.

So salty. It’s also a fallacy to imply high gov and general members to have the same level of accountability.

Vae Victis

It’s literally why peace talks have stalled.

Wheres my money, punk. These aren't punitive at all lol. Just because your side wants to protect deserters doesn't make everyone else evil.

What?

11-28-18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOaj3PwEPnI&feature=youtu.be

I was referring to the largest Global of all time going on concurrently lmfao. Hard for another on top of that.

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