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Which is why we have further plans for treasures, but wish to see how the colour proposal outcome goes. For now, removing 'sniping' is an easy change to make whilst we further workshop them. Feel free to propose your own colour bloc calculation or amendment. That's why this post exists.

This thread and elsewhere have complained about how expensive it is. I doubt we see a mass uptake on buying this project except those over c35. Nukes scale off as the game grows, it's pretty simple really. Damaging 1 city isn't that much to someone rocking 40 cities. You might sustain building 2 for the first round. You rapidly end up in negative income after around 3 rounds, which is difficult to juggle unless you sell off excess improvements. At which point the cost to yourself to nuke is questionable. Donating or stacking credits is also an expensive tactic. I doubt this is done much, unless you enjoy throwing away money.

Thanks for those who have given input. This is where we are at with the proposed changes thus far: Colour Calculation Changes Step 1: Eliminate all people not in an alliance from counting towards the color bonus. Eliminate all people city 10 and below from counting towards the color bonus. (Can still benefit from the color bonus). Step 2: Adjust the Turn Bonus formula from: Turn Bonus = (Average Daily Monetary Net Revenue / Nations) To this: Turn Bonus = ( (Average Daily Monetary Net Revenue * 0.75) / Nations) Step 3: Instead of raising the cap to 150k, change the cap to the following formula. Currently this is around ~111k with the above changes. New Turn Bonus Cap = (Total Aggregate DNR/Total Nations) Step 4: Create a second bonus with the following formula: Recruit Bonus = (Total Nations <c11 on Color/(Total Nations <c11/5)) * New Turn Bonus Cap Step 5: Add the revised Turn Bonus to the new Recruit Bonus. This is your final Color Turn Bonus. What this accomplishes: Removes the need to bully nanos off of colors. Gives nanos free reign to choose any color and receive it's bonus without impact. Remove the need for training alliances that don't benefit from the main alliances bonus. Creates value for lower tier nations and nanos for larger nations and alliances, giving them slightly more power. Larger alliances can court smaller alliances to increase their recruitment bonus. Allows for multiple approaches to gain increased bonus without changing the system to benefit one style of play over another. Create a cap that automatically scales over time as the game grows or shrinks, and pins the recruitment bonus to a value that adjusts to the ebb and flow of player count. Treasure Changes Treasures have increasingly become very rewarding to only large/wealthy alliances. To the point where treasure ‘sniping’ has made them almost an exclusively a mechanic for top 8 alliances and whale nations. The following is to try and balance that out a little. Further updates on treasures may come in the future that further link them to colour blocs. Treasures now only spawn in nations with the same colour as their alliance. A nation must be on the colour for at least 14 days for a treasure to spawn on that nation. Removal of continent requirement for treasures. The two treasures that spawn in any nation (Hoa Hakananai'a & Holy Grail) will now instead spawn in a nation on the lowest colour bloc at the time of its respawn.

I'm waiting until Generals are done and we have a little bit more of an idea on how they impact warfare. My current thinking is to increase naval attacks destroying improvements by 5-10% and perhaps creating a modifier to destroy improvements when you're over the cap. My major concern of increasing it too much, is how punishing wars become if you lose and how much it could encourage the winning side to keep bashing up the losing side. There are a couple of things I think we also need to consider with beige, one thing I would like would be a straight up increase in unit buying if you are on beige and decreasing spies ability to destroy units or at least as many.

These suggestions have been routinely shut down or received overwhelmingly negative feedback. The design team spent almost an entire year trying to adjust/fix the war system and we had nothing to show for it at the end due to either a lack of agreement from the team or public backlash. The war system is the one we have and the only way we'll see any real adjustment is to do a complete overhaul, which would mean probably no updates and potentially no wars for a period of time.

We asked recently what update the community would like next, and perks did not come out on top. It is unlikely we see them in the foreseeable future. Currently the work required to design it vs the potential increase in gameplay just doesn't add up to being a priority update.

This isn't how nuke rouging works and sustaining 2 nukes buying per day whilst having 50/10 improvements would be rather difficult. Loading yourself up with resources sounds a little silly unless you want to give away loot. I'm sure people will use this to stack nukes but they can ultimately be spied away. Colour blocs are being reworked entirely atm. This is a stop-gap fix for the time being.

It doesn't have to just be the colour bloc that has a council. Feasibly you could have 1-2 elected positions per colour bloc that then form a council from all colour blocs that make choices or propose suggestions.

This has already been coded into the game by Alex (150k cap). Really up to @Alex or @Village to push it live at this point.

Hey all, As some of you may know, we had a thread where we asked for feedback on what our next update should be. Now that both the Project/Commerce rework and Generals updates are both being coded by the development team, it is time for the design team to begin planning for the colour bloc update. I've seen a few proposed changes to this, and I feel as though we should look at some that have been presented to me. If you wish to voice your ideas, this thread will be the place to do so. No decision has been made on where we should go, and once I have a feel of what the more popular ideas are, I'll likely go back to the design team to create a full proposal. Generally what we are looking for are 2 things, 1) A rework on how colour is calculated and 2) A colour bloc council that allows for political/economic decisions. Current Idea Proposal: Colour Calculation Changes Step 1: Eliminate all people not in an alliance from counting towards the color bonus. Eliminate all people city 10 and below from counting towards the color bonus. (Can still benefit from the color bonus). Step 2: Adjust the Turn Bonus formula from: Turn Bonus = (Average Daily Monetary Net Revenue / Nations) To this: Turn Bonus = ( (Average Daily Monetary Net Revenue * 0.75) / Nations) Step 3: Instead of raising the cap to 150k, change the cap to the following formula. Currently this is around ~111k with the above changes. New Turn Bonus Cap = (Total Aggregate DNR/Total Nations) Step 4: Create a second bonus with the following formula: Recruit Bonus = (Total Nations <c11 on Color/(Total Nations <c11/5)) * New Turn Bonus Cap Step 5: Add the revised Turn Bonus to the new Recruit Bonus. This is your final Color Turn Bonus. What this accomplishes: Removes the need to bully nanos off of colors. Gives nanos free reign to choose any color and receive it's bonus without impact. Remove the need for training alliances that don't benefit from the main alliances bonus. Creates value for lower tier nations and nanos for larger nations and alliances, giving them slightly more power. Larger alliances can court smaller alliances to increase their recruitment bonus. Allows for multiple approaches to gain increased bonus without changing the system to benefit one style of play over another. Create a cap that automatically scales over time as the game grows or shrinks, and pins the recruitment bonus to a value that adjusts to the ebb and flow of player count. Treasure Changes Treasures have increasingly become very rewarding to only large/wealthy alliances. To the point where treasure ‘sniping’ has made them almost an exclusively a mechanic for top 8 alliances and whale nations. The following is to try and balance that out a little. Further updates on treasures may come in the future that further link them to colour blocs. Treasures now only spawn in nations with the same colour as their alliance. A nation must be on the colour for at least 14 days for a treasure to spawn on that nation. Removal of continent requirement for treasures. The two treasures that spawn in any nation (Hoa Hakananai'a & Holy Grail) will now instead spawn in a nation on the lowest colour bloc at the time of its respawn. Colour Bloc Council (Under Work) So far I have only had one solid proposal on this, you can get the general idea from this google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13f_rjow5i3dD9wJCYKsu9OroClpdGAvvOTCMX0YAxSQ/edit#heading=h.xadj016tgw9u As you can see, we're in the very early phase of this idea. So we are seeking community feedback and input before we start to move in any sort of direction.

This has been coded, although I am unsure if it is live or just on the test server. Will update again when I get confirmation.

Probably worth noting that the second premise is my opinion. Not the one that was the prevailing opinion when the change was made back then under Village. Nukes only damage one city. So they are more effective on smaller nations than larger ones. E.g. you nuke someone with 5 cities you have nuked 20% of their income whether a c10 is 10%. They will therefore become less effective over time as the average city of active players increases.

It was designed to ensure whales could not hide during wars as effectively. Nukes aren't that effective against whales anyway.

We've been through this plenty of times. All of them have hit dead ends. We don't have the manpower either to overhaul the war system. We're probably pushing it with the current proposals as is.

Given c40 is now at best the starting point of being a whale. That probably is a good thing, as for the rest not everyone has the same gameplay style.

It's aimed at being a whale project where long ROI times are a thing. You can hit 25-30m nukes in the upper tiers, meaning you could feasibly be doing 50-60m of damage per day. Most wars go for a month so over 30 days you could have 1.5 billion in damage dealt (obviously VDS will block quite a few though but the ROI should be doable over a few wars). This is actually the project that is probably overpriced & harder to ROI on. I am not proposing random events as decisions. The decisions will always be the same and merely have a cooldown affect. This proposal would basically be in 2 parts, the first part may happen regardless of the vote. Part 1 rework how the colour blocs are calculated and Part 2 put some more political stuff into it via colour councils.

Hey all, Just wanted to give some updates regarding development at the moment. Firstly I want to note that if you wish to give feedback about any future design team suggestions, that there will now be a thread in the community feedback section of the P&W server. This will ensure we are more likely to read your feedback than if you were to post about it in other popular servers. Secondly, I just want to inform you all that the Project & Commerce Rework has begun being coded. I understand many of you want an exact timeframe for this proposal but it is still likely too early to tell. Quite honestly it could be out within months or it might not be out for half a year. It all depends on how much time the coders have and how many bugs we run in to when they are added to the test server. You will however know they are close when they are added to the test server and ideally we can have them live approx. 1 month from that point. Generals is still going through feedback at the moment and will be the next major update to the game. We're hoping to have it finalised by the end of the month to hand over to be coded. There are therefore a few things we need to discuss after this point about what the design team focuses its discussions on post-generals. Thirdly, I am going to ask for feedback for two late game project ideas that have been discussed by the design team. Project Proposals Nuclear Launch Facility Project Requirements: Nuclear Research Facility, Missile Launch Pad & Space Program. Project Cost: $750m, 50k Uranium, 50k Gasoline, 50k Aluminium. Project Effect: Allows for the purchase of 1 extra nuke per day. Guiding Satellite Project Requirements: Nuclear Research Facility, Missile Launch Pad & Space Program. Project Cost: $200m, 40k aluminium, 20k steel, 40k gasoline, 40k munitions, 40k uranium Project Effect: Increase infrastructure damage dealt by nukes and missiles by 20% & Destroy 1 extra improvement. These are both aimed at being whale projects. Nukes & Missiles scale off as time continues and nations grow, they will likely need further adjustments in the future but given current coding restraints this is the easiest way to fix the issue temporarily. Future Discussion There are a few things in this game that need updates or additions to, as to maximise player satisfaction I have added a poll as to which area of the game we should focus upon. The areas that I believe need improvements/additions: Alliance & National Decisions - Alliance decisions would range from military & economic buffs but with a downside. National decisions would be repeatable temporary buffs that would have a scaling resources cost (based on city count). Colour Blocs - A complete redesign of how colour's are calculated & potentially more political aspects such as a colour council. Ideally removing the incentive to force new alliances & players off the colour bloc. Perks revamped - A simplified perks system with choices between 2 branches (Economic or Military) Other - Obviously if the community wants a different area focus upon, then please leave a comment below (or upvote anyone with a similar suggestion to your own)

It is on my target list, but honestly it needs a complete re-work as to not make it a mechanic where new nations/alliances are bullied onto the worst colour.

People should be able to play with whatever game style they wish. Forcing raiding is one thing that has likely led to less retention rates.

Extensions treaty type has been added to the game.

To get 100% commerce you need 1 subway, 5 banks, 4 malls, 3 stadiums when you have no projects. 13 slots all up. Once you get ITC you need 16 slots for 115% (a reduction of 1 from what we currently have) and Telesat makes it 17 slots for 125% (a reduction of 2 slots). I think you forgot about the subway being a commerce improvement?

Upon community feedback, it is likely we will leave Military Salvage as is for now.

I have agreed that project slots should be changed (have for a while), however I also need to be realistic of where I choose my battles. We have a limited amount of people coding for a limited amount of time. There are a number of changes that I would like to make and I could propose but they may not see the light of day. Part of the reason why changing projects was the core focus here for an econ update was because a lot of it is already coded, making it easier and more likely to be implemented. Until Generals is implemented, I won't be looking at any other large coding changes to the game. So although yes, there are many things the game *should* be doing there is only so much it can do. There is also a need to introduce new content vs fixing the issues with the current content (which honestly could probably fill the next 2 years of updates alone).

I have the current costings, although it is important to note that with the current major war that these are skewing the numbers a bit. I'll update the sheet in a bit.

Project & Commerce Update Proposal Been a long time coming, the design team is looking to update projects and alter commerce as a new economics update for the game. This is a rather large proposal, so please bear with me. For those who don’t like to read much I will quickly now dot point the reason for this proposal: Have prices and effects closer to their actual value Buff the weaker/overpriced/useless projects Bring the pricing of the old original projects closer in line with the new ones Reduce the cost of city planning projects to prevent stalling smaller nations growth leading to lower retention rates Shift costs more towards raws, which need more sinks and away from manus that don't + to make costings more consistent across the board Buff profit per slot for commerce to allow smaller nations with less infrastructure to viably go above 100% commerce The proposal is far too big to fit into one thread. A large number of projects have merely had their costs changed to make them more consistent across the board or more evenly spread out which resources are required. I will be detailing some of the more major changes in this thread however. To see the full proposal please go to: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3Ye0oAtHWoYOfHQn1AGYmg80jsPl4fKLK3FPtSeFao/edit?usp=sharing Resource Production Projects (Arms Stockpile, Bauxiteworks, Emergency Gasoline Reserve, Ironworks) The cost of these projects will be increasing, currently their price is incredibly cheap, largely because they are some of the earliest projects in the game. They are however some of the most profitable. Their cost has also been made to be more equal overall, that is, each project is worth roughly the same amount. Arms stockpile no longer use more lead than a nation can produce, so nations can be self-sufficient, but also receive a slight nerf to production. Changes to other Economic Projects (Bureau of Domestic Affairs, Fallout Shelter, Military Salvage) Feedback on these projects has been that they aren’t realistic on ROI or usefulness. Bureau of Domestic Affairs has had an additional perk given to it. Specifically ‘adds a +25% effect modifier to your chosen Domestic Policy’. Fallout Shelter has been tweaked to ‘reduces the radiation impact on food production by 15%’. This means all radiation will be reduced by 15% rather than protecting 10% of production during high radiation. Military Salvage will be renamed to Military Logistics Planning. Its benefit has changed to ‘Military Logistics Planning is a national project that reduces the steel and aluminum of all units by 5% when already at war.’ Spy Project Changes (Spy Satellite, Surveillance Network) Spy Satellite now requires an Intelligence Agency to be built. It received a slight increase in cost. Surveillance Network feedback suggests that this project is very underpowered and not worded very well. So I’ll quickly clarify on what it does before discussing the change. The project adds a modifier to decrease the odds of a spy attack by 10% and increase the chance of the enemy spy to be caught by 10%. E.g. If a spy attack against you had 40% chance of succeeding normally, it would now only have a 36% chance of succeeding. Given that this is a fairly insignificant buff, we have added the additional perk ‘It reduces the damages received from successful espionage operations by 25% (excluding missile/nuke).’. Hopefully this change makes it a more worthwhile project. Activity Center The activity center was created to replace a new player project. Rather than give raw resources it was changed to give cash. When this was introduced, new player raiding was a lot more profitable than it is today. We have therefore increased the total amount from logging in for new players to $2,000,000 per day. The project has also had its city cap raised from c15 to c20, in line with the pre-existing new player bonuses and where city timers begin. We hope this will continue to allow new players to grow without necessarily needing other nations to support them. Although we do note more work needs to be done around new player experiences. City Reduction Projects (Urban Planning, Advanced Urban Planning, Metropolitan Planning) Alright, this is the one that is always discussed the most and we’re often given a lot of feedback on. I am going to firstly discuss some reasoning again before discussing the changes. Firstly, the projects are extremely expensive for the relative size of these nations. This often means that these projects become ‘roadblocks’ to progression in this game and given we have a lowering amount of retention rate in the game we need to address this. It’s worth noting that although these projects have been discounted, a lot of other projects that would be bought by these nations have subsequently increased in price. Secondly, most of these nations are being asked predominantly for resources that they simply would not produce or cannot produce efficiently at the size of the nation it is aimed for. This punishes any new alliances without many established nations. We have therefore tried to reduce some of these resources' cost and move them into other resources they could feasibly produce on their own. We did not remove all of it entirely though as we want to promote use of the market still. The following roughly brings these costings to be around 3 cities to ROI on. In other words you should be able to actually break even from these projects before being at the city requirement for the next one. Urban Planning Costs: Food 250,000, Uranium 12,000, Raw Resources 4,000 Advanced Urban Planning Costs: Food 500,000, Uranium 24,000, Raw Resources 8,000 Metropolitan Planning Costs: Food 750,000, Uranium 36,000, Raw Resources 12,000 Commerce Based Project Changes & Commerce Change (International Trade Center, Telecommunications Satellite, Specialized Police Training Program) Finally we have a rebalancing of commerce and commerce projects. The current issue in the game is commerce projects are not very viable for smaller nations with less infrastructure, due to the low profit per slot of supermarkets. This proposal will seek to change how the existing commerce projects work, and also change the current commerce and slot values for existing commerce improvements.. The two main commerce projects have been modified as such: The International Trade Center, in addition to increasing the cap to 115%, will also increase base commerce in each city by 1%, and the cap on Bank improvements from 5 to 6. The price of ITC has been increased. The Telecommunications Satellite in addition to increasing the cap to 125%, will also increase the base commerce in each city by 2%, and the cap on Shopping Malls from 4 to 5. These changes will work in conjunction with an adjustment to the commerce rates on improvements: Supermarkets will see an increase from 3% to 4% commerce per improvement, and a reduction in their cap, from 6 to 4. Banks will see an increase from 5% to 6% commerce per improvement, with their cap increasing to 6 when you possess an ITC. Shopping Malls will see a decrease from 9% to 8% commerce per improvement, with their cap increasing to 5 when you possess a Telecom Sat. Stadiums will see a decrease from 12% to 10% commerce per improvement, with no changes to their cap. Specialized Police Training will receive a buff, making it a minor commerce project. As it stands, Specialized Police Training is a largely ineffective project, only useful at the highest amounts of infra for saving a single slot. The increase in cap on police stations is redundant, as the default cap is already higher than needed to eliminate all crime at even the highest infra levels. Instead of increasing the cap on Police Stations, SPT now increases base commerce in all cities by 4%. This will effectively replace a supermarket, saving all players who buy it a slot, rather than just people with extremely high infra levels. With these combined changes the total improvements needed to achieve 115% commerce is reduced from 17 to 16, and the total improvements needed to achieve 125% commerce is reduced from 19 to 17. SPT further reduces this by a slot. Additionally, commerce builds fit correctly, with no need to cap at 114% commerce due to the awkward slot usage. This makes higher levels of commerce far more viable for smaller nations at lower infrastructure levels, and makes projects like ITC and Telecom Satellite more accessible to the mid tier. Congrats to those of you who read all of that. Please be specific with feedback and suggestions, this took a long time to go through and a lot of the changes are related to one another so keep that in mind.