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So you're implying that this is not a legitimate tactic? In all my browser game experience, this level of war slot filling, especially the blatantness with which it has been conducted, is quite novel. I'm not happy with the ruling on this subject, but I'm assuming it's because this war has gone on for too long and people want this war to end. I am aware of lobbyists working on getting the ruling overturned, but I leave their business to their business.

Sorry to see you go. o7 micros!

let's just merge this into Dial-Up War and call both of them Roqpocalypse.

idgaf

attacked by incompetent attackers. https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=114894&display=war Do not care what happens when the report comes out.

I assume you live in a common law system, not a civil law system. In a common law system, judges can create legal precedents that amend the laws by setting precedents. In a civil law, the magistrate has no such jurisdiction.

Don't take this seriously, War Hawk. I just press end to go to the bottom and press home to go to the top. Worst case, rules get revised to block this type of tactic. And if you get away with it, I'll end up posting 1x10000 pixel images to ruin my page as well. Remember, I'm the guy that got fake nation screens and fake vacation mode messages B&.

According to DRENICA they're at the same internet cafe together.

It's the guy's kid, to the best of my knowledge.

Previosu attempts have usually involved pictures or a long personalized bio. You're just using whitespace. Of course, it's up to Alex to decide.

https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=30669 Deliberate stretching of info-box with empty text or blank images.

If you are doing a self-imposed moratorium and your coalition follows until the appeal is decided, I appreciate it as a show of good faith. I also appreciate reforms and revisions to the moderation policy. On the other hand, I continue to argue that @Alexshould impose a moratorium on this tactic until appeals are ironed out. The important thing is that a decision does not have to made immediately, as current player pressure is desiring. A sufficient discussion on this case can allow Alex to read the arguments for and against at his leisure and make a ruling, as well as a set date on the appeals processing and a ruling that is final.

I want to make this very clear. You do not need to interpret intent. The evidence of intent is already there, our side can provide significant evidence that this is policy on behalf of NP. Preliminarily, you have already ruled that some wars NP launched were in violation of the slot filling rules. This simply has to be extended to make clear that NP / TKR-T$-KETOG cannot declare on its own allies for the purposes of preventing BKNPO from keeping its enemies depleted and controlled. What we are requesting in the short-term is a moratorium on NP's tactic, i.e, that they and all in the game are not permitted to conduct this tactic while arguments are made by both sides.

@Alex The request is whether or not BKNPO gets a chance for appeal before the meta-change / game-rules change can change the war meta. As mentioned in PM, players on their side are highly irate.

In this case, the person attacked has viewed the engagement as slot filling by an ally to give them beige that would be tactically advantageous to them, but not desired. The attackers made clear to the defender that the goal was to implement beiging of an ally for tactical advantage. === As mentioned in PM and elsewhere, this is a complicated can of worms. What is being requested right now is either: 1- A moratorium on NP and related's use of this tactic for 1 week until a decisive ruling on this novel (and in my view, illegal) tactic is performed. 2-A clear statement that states that players can beige their allies for tactical advantage provided that the conditions stated in your other posting are met. Clarification 2, of course, is of high political import and decides in the war the favor of NP-T$-TKR. It is mostly equivalent in having wars end in auto-beige. Clarification 1, on the other hand, I think would be fair to NP, as they've indicated that they've sought a war for the long-term. If the appealed ruling is in their favor, the end result is still lthe same, the only difference is that T$-TKR-KETOG etc has to wait a week longer to win the war, and they've already been in war for over 6 months. More importantly, it would be fair to BKNPO as the side that is damaged by this ruling would have a fair chance to make an appeal as to why this ruling is unreasonable.

War slot filling is an extremely difficult problem to fix. I have war slot filled in other games for tactical purposes, doing more or less what Akuryo-Partisan has done (create a CB to make it look real, do real damage exchange to maintain the appearance of reality). In other games, though, the line needed is usually collaboration or proof of collaboration. North Point has provided that in spades with the messages shown, as well as their intent to deceive. The operating line on the legal case is "to prevent others from declaring on the target", i.e, the two factors become the fact that hitting someone who is both a de facto ally and an ally by agreement (check the Madden screenshots) the targets involved can be forced into beige and allowed to rebuild. My understanding of the situation is that North Point acted as a trial of whether their new tactic (beiging de facto allies) is valid. If it is valid, and workable limitations have been set by administration, it is now permissible for their coalition to employ the tactic en masse. On a limited level, i.e, if it's only North Point doing it, it is easily counterable and jammable by the opposing coalition. However, if this is conducted by the entire enemy coalition, it becomes extremely difficult to counter and effectively ends the war in the favor of the TKR-T$-TCW coalition.

This is recycled from the previous thread. Given Alex's recent statements, this is substantial evidence that the NP attacks were arranged as an attack on de facto allies in order to create beige that is strategic for their coalition. Further evidence is available on request.

This is a no-discussion forum. Akuryo is entitled to post here as he is one of the accused, and Madden brought out corroborating evidence. Ultimately, the matter comes out to: are you allowed to attack your allies, de facto or de jure, as long as you beige them? The assertion by Syndicate, NP, and affiliates, is yes. My counter-assertion is that from my reading and understanding of the implications of such a tactic, is no. But of course our assertions don't matter and all that matters is what Alex decides. Hence the report (because this is a report of NP practices) and request for rules clarification from Alex.

Archiving this as well (although I'm told the mods can view different versions of a post). This implies that NP received orders from somewhere in the NP hierarchy to beige effective allies. But this, of course, requires rules clarification and a ruling on whether the actions involved are permissible. At the time of posting: The hierarchy above Hidelith is Anneal, Fairymoon, and Akuryo. Stated (but not necessarily actual) NP hierarchy: Hidelith is lower milcom, hence the only people above him would be Anneal and Akuryo.

Just archiving this in the event that Madden is forced to take things down.

Sort of irrelevant now considering that you have less planes than me and can't be reasonably expected to declare on me at this point. Also, general protocol and enforcement to date (this might have changed) is to use the Block Communications button, which you have helpfully highlighted repeatedly. One line to clarify, of course, is that Self-Destruct causes the Pokemon that uses it to faint. Full text of insults: Context: -Gensokyo (the complainant's nation name) is a realm of spirits in the Touhou series of games.. -Touhou, in its earlier incarnations DOES have terrible art (essentially MSPaint), but recently more competent artists took over the job. -Daimaku games (of which Touhou is a member) refer to Japanese "bullet hell" games wherein the player is expected to navigate a relatively slow-moving bullet pattern to stay alive with an aircraft surrogate (in this case, magical girls or paranormal spirits who happen to have an underage depiction). -Dutch wives refer to blow-up dolls. Animu pillows refer to pillows of anime characters that an anime fan may choose to hug as they sleep. -Gelbooru is an anime and anime pornography website. -Hakurei (ruler name of the complainant) happens to be the Touhou character Reimu's last name, and waifu is a semi-ironic appellation for imaginary girlfriends anime fans adopt.

The problem with any "let's enable slot filling" doctrine is this: Group A slot fills Group B. Group B slot fills Group C. Group C slot fills group A. In other words, it becomes completely impossible to engage anyone in this triangle and it just shuts down warfare. Other issue is that Arrgh usually doesn't slot fill; i.e, it's obvious that they're targeting raidables, not hitting husks with no raiding value.

The question isn't intent. For instance, I CAN slot fill people against their will; anyone can do that. The difference is, however, that if I slot fill people in cooperation with them, they're held liable for the rules infraction. But if I slot fill them without their knowledge, I'm the only one responsible for the rules infraction. Your side generally tends to score own goals regarding this whole slot-filling thing. It is possible that Alex might rule in your favor (we just come up with sophisticated proxies to slot fill), but if not, the fact that Partisan complained about admin bias in judging your alliance's attacks on his implies he's complicit. Your discussion of CoA's perception that you're on the same side implies that you're slot-filling. Also, re: Arrgh and Mythic dual-raiding, the big problem with your side is that as someone who's raided KERCHTOG$, I know what their raiding yields are like right now and the targets you're hitting don't justify raiding. Likewise, saturating slots (as many NP have done) creates a far larger probability of slot filling than just doing it solo and having people launch single hits instead of joint hits on enemy targets. I'm archiving your screenshot for my purposes now. If Alex wants to go check its veracity, he has the person who sent the PM and the timestamp associated with the message.

Problem is, the beiging can allow T$ etc to replane. I think the underlying issue is that we're all waiting on Alex to launch a definitive judgment on this tactic. If it's valid, then TCWsphere (minus currently TCW) can mass deploy this tactic despite essentially being on the same side as KERCHTOG$. That results in an OD (BKNPO) loss because of the sabotage. If it's invalid, then the war just continues as is, probably with KERCHTOG$ coming to the surrender table soon since they're out of cards. Strictly speaking, NP is triggering the second line of the War Slot filling clause. BKNPO has deployed some fighters to slot-fill less competently suppressed opponents, although they'll have difficulty keeping the target wholly away from being able to restock from beige. The beiging itself triggers the second line of the War Slot filling clause, since NP is hitting the enemy of its enemy. But of course, this is ultimately up to Alex to decide.

On my part, the definition of war slot filling as "allowed to declare war on nations to prevent them from being attacked by other nations" applies to what's going on right now. Moreover, even beiging triggers the second line. The key factor is that NP is at war with BKNPO, and they are hitting the enemies of BKNPO in a way that disrupts or otherwise prevents BKNPO from engaging BKNPO's enemies. This is viable within the war system, but not necessarily within the moderation system. The clarification needed right now is whether this is permissible, and if so, what are the limits on this? For instance, NPO and BK could declare themselves two separate fronts, then declare on each other to block slots while beiging, especially with depleted and decimated fighters.