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I tried my best to prevent your creation -hollywood- from growing out of control. You !@#$ed up and yes, tS failed to contain your !@#$up. Many of the people who now cry foul also cried foul when tS did fight grumpy.
TS owes you nothing. This is not our fight any longer. Go fix it yourself.
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Holton, May 11th:
"Wars have become meaningless!"
"Political roleplay is going extinct!"
"booo bad!"
Also Holton (OP):
"ITS ALL THE FAULT OF THE RETIRED LEADERS"
This is your ideology. Eat it.
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People often reference my posts. They like me. Love me. Commend me on my wit and intellect. They tell me my posts are pretty. They tell me *I* am pretty.
Me?
I just like to talk about penises.(this entire exchange with thrax)
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1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
For the record, I dont trust either bloc so its either do this, or stay milled up for the next few weeks staring at Ro$e, and occasionally glancing at Clock. I didn't really want to stay milled up for the next few weeks and the less I have to look at the both of you the better, you are both hideous.
You dont trust me?
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3 hours ago, Hodor said:
Happy to clarify and, hopefully, rally people to channel their angst elsewhere.
This move is incredibly pragmatic. For Ro$e and HW, it is only beneficial. We have 1) guaranteed our security while two smaller spheres fight and 2) have opened more cordial diplomatic channels with each other hopefully breaking a tradition of distrust.
The risks of taking this move are minimal. Neither BR, Clock, or their combined forces are in any position to do anything about it. If it were made privately, there would be more fallout, but arguably it would be justified because it would only be found out if Clock made a move to attack ro$e or HW. It being made publicly eliminates at least the "SEKRIT TREATY" argument and actively deters any moves against the parties involved (which, many have hinted here, it may have done).
Now, I was not super happy to hear this move was in the making specifically for article 3, but mostly because I think that moves like this should have consequences. When a move can be made regardless of any PR fallout because no one can do anything about it, some scrutiny is necessary. It's up to the rest of the game to stop !@#$ing here and determine what consequences they will force.
I, personally, think that #2 above is worth the fallout and any potential consequences. I am so damn tired of fighting t$ and its allies. We were in a good position (see Parti's post) to hit ro$e next war. The ro$e treaty was negatively received by third parties and during/after our last war with t$ there were many WoT posts directed at t$ to address it's FA policy. But, to keep up this pattern would be so unbelievably stupid and, as you all say, stagnant.
That all being said, I think we need to take a look at the mechanics of the game here. We keep yelling at each other for making moves which are unarguably beneficial to the parties involved. But what incentive is there to switch it up other than to take enormous risk and promote an alternative path forward within a system that actively inhibits it? Let's look at the state of things as I see them:
1. Very few wars are now fought in which the winner is not known from the outcome. Therefore, no alliance is incentivized to start a war unless their victory is all but assured. This is pragmatic but boring.
2. Wars are won largely by first strike advantage buoyed by an extra day of militarization and greatly helped by some advantage in the whale tiers. Therefore alliances will largely look to start offensive wars and consolidate whales. This is also boring and makes CBs out of thin air to secure a first strike advantage.
3. War lengths are determined by the tiering of the fighting parties. Longer wars benefit lower tiers, shorter wars benefit whale tiers. So, if you've successfully launched an aggressive war with ample whale tiers, you're gonna smack someone around for a while then offer peace. If you're going whale hunting, you're going to drag out a war forever to do as much damage to those whales. Neither of these are particularly fun for either party outside of stat padders.
4. Wars are fricking stupid in this game, mechanically. If you are facing a competent enemy and are on the defensive, after the first round, you're done. Now you sit and clear the notifications as your nation burns. If you're facing an incompetent enemy and are on the defensive, it takes a level of involvement that most don't have to punch holes in their attack and counter. Wars are simultaneously very expensive and not nearly expensive enough and I have no idea how to fix this, but I think this is where we need to start. If we fix the war mechanics the impacts will flow down and affect the incentive structures of points 1-3. I am not smart enough to figure out what needs to change, but I do think that it's not controversial at all to say that if the primary tool of sphere interactions (war) is broken, so too will be the sphere interactions.
Hodor.
Hodor is right.
2 hours ago, Alexander the Great said:Literally everyone not part of your ridiculous game-breaking and frankly cowardly megasphere (and part of the people in said megasphere). Be. Seated.
Friend can you give me a definition of what a sphere is?
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1 minute ago, HeroofTime55 said:the entire game is tbh. but this panicc agreement is just super silly. like anyone wanted to suicide into you off of this war.
well, i guess, if your main ally is rose, you have something to be worried about.Id come with another with clapback but tbh yoyre right.
Rose is pitiful.
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2 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:
nobody is upset, tbh, we just think it's hilarious.
Your alliance's existence is.
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CItizens of Orbis,
I step from crevices of the Syndicate retirement today with a clear message.
Kiss my fricking butt.
Did you read that or skim it? Skimmed it? Read it again friend. Okay, here goes.When The Syndicate did what you bloody cats did not dare and formed the frontline against grumpys upper tier consolidation, you moaned and cried "Parti bad! Syndi hegemon!", forming a gamewide MDP. I did not hold it against you. Okay that's a lie. I bloody did hold it against you because it was the sort of politically wussed out behavior ive now come to expect from you. You formed a gamewide coalition and took down the big bad quack. Alright.
When tS downsized itself to accommodate your tunnel vision-inducing flawed ideology of !@#$ed minispheres that alternate in boinking one another without purpose or path, you immediately jumped on the opportunity to... consolidate GOB further and also sought more ways to boink t$ (in my absence, no less!).
Okay, fair dinkum. So after a prolonged period of t$ atempting to join your multiverse fiasco, t$ upgraded a bit to match !@#$ and HW. Boy did we hear it. God himself must've bought earplugs to withstand the orchestra of your wailing sorrow. How dare hegemon t$ have allies! They must remain cordoned off so you can safely dabble about in your idiocy and roll them when its their turn!
So now t$ is faced with a choice. For the twenty-fifth time in Orbis history, it can form Orbis' unsupported frontline against grumpy's whale shit, incurring significant losses while the cuck brigade spits at it from the back, only to be rolled the next war. Or it can set upon a different path, breaking an age-old rivalry and shrugging off the selfserving expectations of politicians who are barely lettered enough to read the first three sentences of this pamflet.
The Syndicate is done with your bullshit. It will not pander, nor conform to your faux, hypocrite outrage. We stand here with our friends @Sweeeeet Ronny D and @Adrienne to jointly give you the finger. Go find your own entertainment. Sod off. Outta here. Continue with the backroom dogpile. Continue pretending you're doing a dynamic war, rather than choosing the wussy way out of rolling a defenseless party in hopes your actual rivals slit one anothers throat. Go on acting tough, yelling at clouds. I will sit here and not have to log in as I have. Ronny will continue to amass whales and hoard pixels. Adrienne will continue to look fabulous while her successor bungles TKR's dignity.
Up yours.
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On 5/11/2022 at 10:01 PM, darkblade said:
T$ when they see Hogwarts pop up again. (But congrats on the rebrand, excited to see the spells y'all cast.)
On 5/12/2022 at 2:10 AM, Zach LaVine said:We all know what comes after Hogwarts.
Blinks
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Denied. Try again in a year.
NPO can come back though.
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2 hours ago, Adrienne said:
Never thought I'd see the day Parti responded to shitposts - ones not even directed at him - with seriousness. And you entirely missed the point too. Morality? No one said anything about morality. You're losing your touch, old man.
You want serioustalk, go chat with Morf instead of bringing his points to my posts. I fulfilled my obligation in our embassy already. 😛
I hold you accountable for morf
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1 hour ago, Lelouch said:
Edit: Where are my manners.
Congratulations on the new family. Best wishes, Lulu ViBri
From a 4th party's perspective it seems:
Hollywood
....is trying to compete to be the top political and military force in the game and...
....is threatened by Celestial and so are trying to tar and isolate the bloc straight from the jump as a threat to the game (to them) to justify future antagonism (explicit here on the forums or in backchannels) and deflect from their own strengths
Celestial
...is trying to compete to be the top political and military force in the game and...
....felt inadequate in their former affiliations in comparison to the other predominate entities and is willing to make the practical moves to compensate while threading the needle for acceptable force consolidation. Willing to deal with (both meanings of the phrase) whoever they need to accomplish their goals.
Clock Block
...is trying to compete to be the top political and military force in the game and...
...is also threatened by the formation of Celestial but is seeing the war of words between Hollywood and Celestial and are letting the two focus on each other while positioning to be a potential kingmaker. Thus in a real sense cultivating the most advantageous (long term) position of the three (at least initially)
From this point of view, the agendas of each grouping are clear and this back and forth and song and dance is just theater. I'm not one to rob the stage of content, but please at least have the contributions actually be entertaining. Some of these posts are just bad.
Michaan at least is coming through with some memes and the girls are catfighting. That's been about the best so far (oh and Vanek is had a good post too)
I'm not a girl.
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8 hours ago, Adrienne said:
Your new bloc existed for what? 2 months? And through zero wars? And you were so demoralized by one alliance leaving, you felt the need to start over? That's the best argument I've heard for why Rose couldn't be considered competitive. Congrats.
7 hours ago, Adrienne said:I expected better for a clap back, Vexz. Using that tired old narrative that wasn't even relevant to what we were talking about was uninspired. I did appreciate the sex joke about t$ though. I was rather sad to have realized I missed out on a rather spectacular one. Mile High Club... prematurely ending... I'll let you figure it out 😘
Neither duration of existence of former bloc nor number of wars fought with it are metrics that have any bearing on the merits of our signing. It is not tkr's place to dictate the morality of said metrics.
Your other stated points regarding TS and rose being principle drivers and our treaty therefore being immoral is frankly undone by your standing treaty with GG. I will advise my government to simply ignore it as what it is- a flimsy justification of your outrage over the existence of a similarly tiered grouping.
The bloc is here. It's competitive. It's not dominant or game breaking. It breaks an old rivalry and shapes a new tie. Ive yet to hear a solid argument as to why it's a horrible thing that doesn't reek of cognitive dissonance.
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2 hours ago, roberts said:
I'm really not sure why we keep hammering the same incorrect lines about Hollywood in an attempt to give justification for the bloc that definitely didn't form because of Hollywood.
We had a huge chunk of the lower/mid tier leave the bloc. I know it's so hard to remember but they're now that other scary bloc that you keep referring to: Clock.
TI was signed for a multitude of reasons, one of which being they shored up our middle and lower tiers to then be comparable to anyone else's I'm pretty sure.
So can actually see why the claims of "backwards step/slide" to bipolarity are being thrown out there. At a certain point, if everyone keeps one-upping each other, we will eventually lose the ability to say there are multiple spheres when said other spheres can't do anything other than contribute mildly to the coalitions of the larger groups.
"You can't match our upper tier because that's killing dynamism. How dare you not sit there and let me wave my whalepeen around in the name of glorious intrigue"
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1 hour ago, Vexz said:
I'm gonna go right out of the gate and talk about the bipolarity spin here that you're trying to push. I can understand why certain parties in CB and others can be concerned about such a thing, and I'd like to simply say that 2 parties having a lead in size does not equate to bipolarity. In the past years since the dissolve of Quack, there has usually been some parties with a step ahead of others. We had BW and Oasis, BW and HW, and we had Clock and HW but we still had other parties in the mix as we do now. I do understand why this move can be frightening to other parties in the idea of bipolarity being the future but like Pre pointed out, other parties are still given wiggle room to grow and compete, which so far seems to be the case.
With that aside, you seem to put huge emphasis on our move dragging, or better yet said "dangerous slide" back towards bipolarity. If I'm not mistaken bipolarity means 2 parties correct? That other party would be HW correct. Now let me understand this, us making a move that betters our footing in competing is the trigger for the return back to bipolarity? Not the entity that has spent for months now making moves to secure its overall tiering and still after the fact that the #1 & 3 alliance creating a sphere together, is still finding itself to be a major contender in the grand schemes of things?
Like I get jumping on the hate train is easy points but don't be oblivious. TKR spent so much time after signing HedgeMoney saying they did it because they found themselves in a defenseless position and were scared of that position leading them to be rolled (TKRsphere was relatively the size of Rosesphere at that time). Yet, the very moment you gained further security of impending attacks to your security; you used your better footing in tiering to go on the offensive on a smaller party. It doesn't end there, TKR was not satisfied with the size of HW and decided to add TI to what they claim was a move to further secure its mid-tier that TKR alleged was lacking and constantly being rolled. I won't deny that HW might've not had the best mid-tier compared to other spheres, but they did sure have one of most notable tiering overall compared to the rest. Shortly after this time spent saying this move was for the security of your mid-tier, you once more went on the offensive. Now for a party that has spent quite some time not caring much about their size for the sake of security, yet being so keen to go on the offensive when having the advantage, you now wish to put so much care of people not making moves in the name of security? Not to mention the simple hysteria you were having prior to our recent move against Clock and their rivaling size to your sphere, but I guess our move put a halt to that venture seeing your feelers on Rose to try to see if we at the very least could be neutral about it, has now went out the window because now we're somehow a threat to you
I recommended all readers to let this post sink in. It outlines clearly the dissonance that exists in the rationales of some parties.
The bolded part in particular reveals a modus operandi that is completely misaligned with the projected ideologies and the stated outrage of these parties.
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5 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
I was the military guy back then, those decisions were not up to me. We didn't become friends till our grumpy/hogwarts days.
Those were good days. Remember that time I defended you from Sparta aggression friend? You were like "help help friend Partisan im being rolled help!" and I, all brazenly looking in my daft cape charged upon thine foes in a blaze of heroic rage. You thanked me for my troubles and told me if ever I felt the need to call a favor, I need only ring.
Ring ring friend ronny! The favour is to cut TKR and Guardian! Checkmate!
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30 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
Friend Partisan, I could never be a threat to you. I dont believe I have ever attacked an alliance you have been a part of. (if only the same were true the other way, but I digress)
Friend Ronny, I never made a personal, direct declaration of war against you while leading t$. I do not think this war is between you and I. We are friends.
As a friend, I fundamentally disagree with the way you have lined up your whale toys however. That's okay. I'm not mad, just disappointed.
EDIT: Except for that one time a long time ago. Maybe. I don't remember all too well. You did attack me while you were in VE as well though, and tried to demand my resignation. Let's call it even friend!
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9 minutes ago, OttoVonBisbark said:
I don't see what the big deal is? I've yet to see a comparison shot of BW, MHC, and Ro$e, but at least from what I can tell they've not expanded their reach, but chosen to focus it more on an area they've consistently felt they were outgunned in: the upper tier.
My main concern is, and always has been, t$' approach to Grumpy. I think that Etat sums it up here:
If we look at this tiering:
HW has 49 nations in the C35+ tier, 30 of those are in Grumpy (10 in Guardian). Remove Grumpy from HW and they (HW) are no longer an upper tier threat, but adding Grumpy to either of the other sphere's then creates the same "consolidation." The only solution is that Grumpy take enormous risk in order to assuage these fears with little promise that undertaking this risk would do anything to remove the spotlight from them.
Lastly, at what ratio do we measure the downdeclare threat? I see a lot of talk about the 40+ tier being a critical arena. An 18 nation advantage in that tier (comparing HW and Ro$e) seems large, but a 19, 13, and 12 nation disadvantage in the 3 tiers below it seems to really negate that... It's really hard to get a grasp on what the actual impact of X number of X tier nations means, it seems to be largely personal intuition at the moment. I think the last war could've really shown this, but t$' decisions made it so that tier was uncontested after 1 day.
I think you touch on a few decent points. My personal view is that the GG combination hould, at the very least, split. But that's personal. If we take a step back to what has occurred here:
- t$ and Rose announce a treaty and slimmed down sphere which concentrates more on upper tier (while limiting its size to prevent a quack situation). It's stated in private channels (I think also here?) that this isn't necessarily a move directly aimed at grumpy.
(Note: t$ gov at least initially took that stance. I'm of the personal opinion grumpy is a threat by virtue of tiering)
- Individuals in Clock or HW: "THIS IS A HEGEMONY. QUACK 2.0. CONSOLIDATION! RO$E BAD"
- t$/Rose counter with "Well actually, if you look at HW/Grumpy, we're now on equal footing."
- Individuals in Clock or HW: "SEE! THIS IS ALL ABOUT GRUMPY! YOU ARE CONSOLIDATING TOO! JUST LIKE QUACK. !@#$ YOU FOR HITTING GRUMPY IN NPOFT. T$ IS ALWAYS TOXIC"----> Insert t$ getting pissy.
Again, my observation. I agree that our tiering is a non-issue because the sphere was kept slim enough. Anyone who blabbers about our size can eat my snake.-
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1 hour ago, Etat said:
Not mad my friend, but quite reasonably interested and concerned about where this development will take us all.
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Also comparing this t$/Rose thing with anything TKR has done is IMO a flawed approach.
------- "TKR good, t$ bad. Dont compare!" . This warrants no serious response.
1 hour ago, Etat said:TKR doesn't throw a tantrum and refuse to play on equal terms.
----- TKR currently is not playing on equal terms. t$ has just made a move to equalize terms, and TKR is....throwing a tantrum.
1 hour ago, Etat said:TKR doesn't opportunistically hit opponents already heavily engaged in a global with no CB.
---- Ah yes, let's bring NPOLT into this again. I didn't hear you about this when you allied us afterwards.
1 hour ago, Etat said:TKR doesn't hold on to Orbis damaging personal grudges against alliances of <40 members who can't reach the majority of players.
----- GOB is not a "personal grudge". GOB is a security concern. Ronny and I both acknowledged that state a long time ago. The difference is day and night. Ronny understands. Why don't you?
1 hour ago, Etat said:TKR doesn't generate massive responses to appeals such as HC's post.
When you come up with revisionist horseshit (pun intended) like this afterwards, you directly contribute to any hostility t$ may end up harboring.
t$ at the time responded by engaging various community members, taking criticism and reflecting on it. Some of it we took to heart and worked on changing. Other things, we didn't. You seem to gloss over the fact that that while a portion of the participants of that thread attempted to constructively critique, an equal portion engaged in shoddy OOC behavior while critiquing us, and/or simply used the opportunity to air political grievances that did not really belong in that thread.
I can guarantee you that a similar thread on any other major/controversial actor will generate similar levels of responses.
1 hour ago, Etat said:The difference between us my friend is not our actions in and of themselves, but in the driving forces behind them. You are most certainly blind to our differences.
The difference between us is smaller than you think. As one of Syndi's primary actors since its inception, I can safely state that you grossly misinterpret the Syndicate's driving forces. I know and understand TKR, probably better than you do. Frankly, this sort of rhetoric does not suit the core tenets upon which your alliance operates.
1 hour ago, Etat said:This is not a personal attack mind; I am certain you are all wonderful individuals, but collectively you guys are like a 6'4" toddler who thinks they're in charge of the game.
Collectively, we are what you want to see. There is little more to it. When you are ready to have a grown up conversation which includes introspection on your part, I will be there to reciprocate. Until then, my pastime will remain haunting these forums.
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9 hours ago, Adrienne said:
I don't know how you can say that when you look at the posts the man has to respond to. Something something remove the log from your own eye first....
I'm not responsible for the average iq on these forums. But when I see:
-morf claiming to wasn't a major political player.
- morph claiming tS never talked to you about our feelings about your grumpy pairing and its implications for the game
I just can't help but think your fa has devolved into outright lying, or you have replaced your fa with a bloody barstool. Or both. A lying bloody barstool.
Ri, we can do better friend.
2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:You guys still talking about us? Guys we are here to celebrate the joining of the largest and probably 4th largest alliance in the game putting their vast historical differences aside and coming together in friendship. This is a momentous occasion.
So lets stop talking about the ole Grump, I get it, we are awesome, I love talking about us too. But lets focus in on these two crazy kids taking a swing and trying to make it work.
I'm pulling for ya!
Rose is my friend. Rose was always my friend.
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1 hour ago, Vanek26 said:
When was this?
2015 - 2017 or so.
18 minutes ago, BigMorf said:No offense to Immortals, whom I have a ton of respect for and am quite fond of. But the idea of us signing Immortals as comparable to you signing Rose is just hilarious.
The Immortals are high quality folks, I agree. But they are still a relatively new alliance (happy two years to the homies) who have been relatively passive in politics compared to Rose who is the largest alliance in the game and is a mover and shaker. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
But again, even when we signed Immortals. Where the hell was this narrative that you guys are pushing now? You all had plenty of time to come and chat with us to share your concerns, to speak out about how you really felt about Grumpy etc.
Instead you continued to tell us that you didn’t have a concern about Grumpy anymore, that you didn’t think they were crushing the game. All of your rhetoric on the topic died until you needed to dust it off to justify this particular consolidation of political power and influence.
Uhhuh what.
Immortals has been majorly involved in politics since npolt, forming several spheres and being involved in several major wars.
Come on man. Bring @Adrienneback. This is just embarrassingly poor.
8 hours ago, Etat said:Please might you explain what HW move you are disappointed with?
Is it simply that Grumpy are a member? Basically any sphere Grumpy signs up to will attract the 'upper tier consolidation' argument, and I do not think there is anything that can, or should done about it.
Anyway IMO the tiering presently is neither here nor there, though we've lost the upper hand in the most versatile and powerful tier(s), it doesn't appear excessively problematic given the number of variables that may influence their relative power in war. As for the 40+ tier, I'll maintain it is a pointless thing to get excited about militarily. If we scrap again it'll be an interesting one because we won't de-mil and bail out.
If we have a larger number of active nations than say a couple of years ago, I think the development of blocs would be a natural evolution. Hypothetically I also like the idea of a return to the precedence of alliances (not a thing I've seen), kind of like the multi-polar micro-sphere thing. I think though this amounts to swimming against the tide of human nature.
My views on grump and tkr tiering are no secret. As keyogg they were already an issue. With the it's a whole other beast.
Agreed wrt the rest
7 hours ago, His Holy Decagon said:To be fair, this is another narrative I’ve been seeing, that I sort of chuckle at. Clock isn’t upset at all, nor are we frustrated. Not directed at you, Pre, but giving criticism, former examples, other ideas, isn’t some form of toxicity, at all.
It’s just as simple as we had four major blocs, and losing one of them, any of them, isn’t what I personally think anyone wanted. Yeah, sure, “GG/TKR/TI”, but, I’d rebuttal with “Do two wrongs make a right?” Obviously not, and I’d be as humble to say that no one has to follow the logic and narrative that others hold to heart.
Good luck, Celestial, hopefully the alliances you’ve recently signed and cut, hold the same value in these moves that you do. And hopefully the issues that Shiho addressed (nice reply, if I’m honest) are somehow addressed with this route (adding more numbers), instead of working on the things that actually improve fighting
I don't see toxicity
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1 minute ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
That loss infact was multiple entities, which included BW & Rose-sphere funny enough.
https://politicsandwar.fandom.com/wiki/Brawlywood
Another funny thing is Holly has majorly downsized since then & there only major addition to stay to date is Immortals. The big difference comes to +1 Top evenly tiered aa=/= Several Top upper tiered aa's
That is my point: It required BW + Rosesphere to challenge HW. By virtue of the logic you levied against quack, that's an issue..
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22 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
All you are doing alongside other Ro$e gov is making redirective understatements. Trying to spin a point with counter persuasive ideas that in turn prove people like Pascals point further rather than disprove nor work around it.
For example, ya lot in Celestial too also keep mentioning war losses as well tiering. First off, HW's loss did happen a few months back, while the BW loss was within the past month while only taking part in dogpiles in there favor since NPOLT. Rose on the other hand has basically lost almost every war back to back since NPOLT as well doing similar aspects in dogpiling which ended up backfiring a couple times. On tiering, as much as yall deny, the main focus of tier growth was c20-40, c20-30 is where TKR & Guard mainly tiers to while Grumpy goes around to c30-40. Coincidence?
(grabbing this quote for the edit):
Ignoring bolded since its a historically inaccurate, loaded statement.
Was HW's loss caused by a single entity, or by multiple entities working together?
When I ran quack, one of the charges levied against us was that we couldn't be challenged by any single sphere, supposedly. Therefore, we were dogpiled. Why does the same logic not apply to HW?
Even with Ro$e combining as we are, it remains a tight race with grumpy (due to the top tier downdeclares). I'm looking for an argument that sticks to Ro$e but not to HW (which has been around much longer and has upsized recently). Where is the moral outrage stemming from?
Just now, Etat said:Nice theme for your post 😀
In the context of recent history, you lot throwing your teddy and refusing to play in the last global (which was pretty evenly matched), followed by this move suggests our future holds little else other than another war hahaha
Maybe I’m wrong though, my strengths lie not in creative thinking and politics, but rather in vaguely antagonistic, single minded OWF contributions.
Where do we go from here friend?? Will you commit to a premonition??
I'm certain Wana will answer you, for I do not have the policy-making position. All I can say is that i'm disappointed in TKR for the HW move, and I hope that in time dialogue can exist for the dismantlement of upper tier consolidation and the reactionary bloc-consolidation that has occurred in its wake on a meta level.
I remarked in RON earlier that a return to a political state where alliances are central, rather than blocs, would do us all well. Perhaps one day, an old snake can dream.
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15 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
All you are doing alongside other Ro$e gov is making redirective understatements. Trying to spin a point with counter persuasive ideas that in turn prove people like Pascals point further rather than disprove nor work around it.
I'm not Ro$e gov.
Be that as it may: I fully understand Clock's frustration at the developed situation. They are now in the spot t$ and Ro$e felt themselves in until recently. I don't see how that is morally reprehensible on our part however. Particularly with the efforts WANA and whoever runs rose these days made to keep the sphere lean (with success). Can you uhh... explain to me what the exact problem is, while also accounting for the political context this move was made in (read: HW's top tier dominance over all at the moment, and Clock's ranking above rose and t$ individually pre-move)?
People wanted me to write a thread.
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I agree. We shouldnt be defending this action because frankly its the result of your treatment of tS and your creation and enabling of grumpy over the period since npolt.
Now pardon me while i farm alongside friend @Sweeeeet Ronny D instead of doing the dirty work of you ungrateful cats.
Im talking about allowing hm/hw to snowball into the top tier size it has become. Whatever other tangent youre on is irrelevant in the conversation on the meta that matters.