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lol...

...so I'm the child when you're the one who curses and yells, and then downvotes while confusing in-game reputation with out-of-game disagreement?

Give me a break.

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1 minute ago, Madden8021 said:

Jeez, someone likes to *dictate* around here in removing such a worthless feature as the Thumb/Star system. Go complain about that to Youtube/Google or even Facebook and see how'll they'll react? I bet both sides don't even care. Look at the Youtube Rewind for 2018, Does the CEO of Youtube even cares in wanting to remove a worthless feature that is the thumbs up/down feature? coincidence? i think NOT! They're just a company that cares about MONEY not for dictating who can thumb up and down.

Also, look back at the 2018 P&W Awards, Seems that no one cares since it's just a popularity contest. For Heaven Sakes, if you have a problem with the internet and how its built upon then don't bother getting an internet connection, internet subscription, router, or a smartphone. The internet is how it is and nothing to speak about it. As Alex said

 

So stop being a whining little *dolphin censor* and grow the *dolphin censor* up and get used to it or just don't be on the internet at all. As for the mental health, creeps, and pedo comments you're moaning about over a stupid reputation system. I suggest you should also go and check yourself as well and stop bullying others for crying out loud! /o\

If Alex cares about making money, then he should care about the ratings he gets for his game which includes a rating where someone explicitly acknowledged in advance a negative connection between himself and my opposition in this thread.

Failing to oppose my opposition will continue to impact the revenue stream of his venture.

As for growing up, it's you who needs to because you clearly don't get the difference between whining versus self-defense.

If anyone's whining, it's you for not even trying to address the original argument about how reputation is weighted while ignoring the point about third parties who observe reputation. It's not about whether I like it or not. It's about how it's a score which impacts how players interact in the game.

On the side, Youtube doesn't care because it's a monopoly.

PnW is not a monopoly. The same standards on ratings don't apply.

Ratings have a serious impact on non-monopolies when people consider whether or not to use them based on peer-to-peer review since there are better competitors out there.

Put plainly, if Alex wants to make his game more competitive, then he needs to act against my opposition.

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Just now, Verin said:

That statement makes no sense. Clearify?

Connections are figured out by analyzing what happens before something else.

That comment was made before this whole discussion and game intrigue took place.

You could argue that's insufficient to determine causality, but then you'd have to acknowledge how pretty much everything my opposition has said in this thread doesn't make sense since it's jumped to conclusions based on partial correlations just as much.

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Just now, Verin said:

Them "acknowledging" a connection between them and and there actually being a connection are two completely different things

Ordinarily, you'd be correct...

...but in this situation you're not. The timing of the comment happened in advance of anything going on here.

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1 minute ago, Verin said:

I'm fairly certain that person leaving the review is someone just like you. They got pissed, demanded action be taken, Alex did the opposite of what they wanted, probably because it was an unreasonable and pointless demand, and then they decided to take to leaving a review claiming Alex was akuryos pet dog. The review is irrelevant as it holds no factual basis. You're only posting it because you for some reason think it's going to serve as evidence that you are in the right

If you want to prove your point, go ahead.

All I know is someone else who I have no connection with gave PnW the worst rating imaginable, and acknowledged a negative connection between my opposition and Alex.

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1 minute ago, Verin said:

Interesting. I'm fairly certain the apps bad ratings is because it's just a poorly designed embed of the mobile site. Honestly should just get rid of it, perhaps less people like yourself will show up. Ah wouldn't that be peaceful

I'm fairly certain that comment gave a 1 out of 5 star rating and directly made negative reference connecting Alex to my opposition in this thread.

I've never even used the mobile app either, so what you're saying doesn't apply.

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Just now, Verin said:

"Take action against my opponents or you've confessed to being corrupt and incompetent" First off, nobody cares what you think my dude. Secondly, the mobile app is ass and needs fixed. Lastly, I fail to see how Alex is a pet dog of akuryo. Please elaborate

I never said Alex is a pet dog of akuryo.

The point is a neutral observer has acknowledged that point. Alex should take that into consideration in realizing why his game is getting bad ratings.

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Just now, Verin said:

I'm not going to explain it's relevance. Im done arguing with children.

Just because you say it's relevant doesn't make it so.

Lying like that makes you the actual child.

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9 hours ago, Alex said:

After skimming this thread, all I want to point out is that reputation doesn't do anything. Who cares if someone downvotes your post? It's not as if downvotes hide your content, filter it for other users, or sort it unpreferentially.

If you don't like the reputation system, ignore it. It has no bearing on anything.

If reputation does nothing, then you should eliminate it from the game since it's a distraction.

Whether you like it or not isn't the point either. The point is how third parties observe it when figuring out who to associate with.

After skimming reviews for PnW as well (which has a rating of less than 3.5 btw on Googleplay and suggests you need to seriously fix this game), I should point out that there's considerable reason to believe you're biased towards those opposing me in this thread as well. Someone made the following comment before any of this started:

It's pretty clear here. Either take action against my opponents, or you've confessed to being corrupt and incompetent.

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16 hours ago, Olive Penderghast said:

You obviously didnt read my post, there isnt a way to do what your asking, nor would I support it. This is a game about politics, making political enemies ingame or on the forums will result in the player(s) you upset, annoyed, angered or/and etc will react. What your asking for is limiting expression because I cant limit reactions from 1 person to another, so the alternative is to disable to it completely, which will restrict expression. 

I should remind you that you are not a forum moderator or game admin, you dont get to decide when punishments are warranted or not. See a rule violation? Report it and move on, do not bring it up in the topic saying what should be done. 

As for the other matter, this topic has gone off topic from the very beginning, keep in topic of the post, dont personally attack or spam this thread or this topic will be closed

I did read your post. The problem is while this game is about IC politics, that does not mean people should be allowed to make OOC personal attacks.

A report was made, and you did nothing about it. 

16 hours ago, Verin said:

No ya don't.

You're very clearly interpreting it all wrong.

 

I'm saying your reputation here is very much so going to affect the way people treat you in game. Nobody here knows you irl, so obviously it isn't going to hold any value in that regard. You put that twist to my words in on your own. 

What does that have anything to do with this thread?

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2 minutes ago, MinesomeMC said:

People in real life are not the same as you.

P.S. Also look at the bold text.

I never said people were the same as me.

I just said people understand how reputation can be ruined. In reality, people have an interest to look beneath the surface to find out the truth.

If you were on a group interview, and told the interviewer how you're better than your peer because your peer has a bad reputation in an online game, the interviewer would think you're crazy and have to hold back from laughing.

 

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4 minutes ago, MinesomeMC said:

But they do especially if it was negative 

No they don't.

People in real life understand how games can involve harassment by jerks, and how childish, juvenile, and immature punks with attitude problems can make genuine people look bad. If you judge someone by a bad reputation in a game, you're can miss out on recruiting good talent.

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2 minutes ago, MinesomeMC said:

Your interpreting his message all wrong, he means his reputation will carry over to those who he interacted with if they find him in a different environment. 

I know what he meant.

I'm saying it won't carry over because the rules of our gameworld do not define how the real world functions. People don't care if you can become popular in a controlled environment when it comes to what's out of control.

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6 minutes ago, Verin said:

I'm not the one who has convinced myself that making myself look like a fool here is gonna just magically fade away when people interact with me elsewhere

If anything's foolhardy, it's believing your anonymous participation in an online game has a real life impact on how people interact with you. Your character's reputation is not your actual reputation. Real people don't care if you're popular in a gameworld.

If you don't believe me, try using your reputation here on a professional resume and see if it manages to get you hired.

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8 minutes ago, Verin said:

You don't get to just pop out of nowhere, start some drama, then call the entire community mental simply because they don't play by your rules. Sorry friend, I'm playing my no u card

This isn't about my rules. This is about realizing how rules apply to games. The rules of a game aren't the same as real life.

Failing to get that suggests you confuse fantasy with reality as if you're deluded.

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Just now, Verin said:

I must inform that it doesn't matter if this is ic or ooc. You are making yourself look a fool in front of all these unforgiving eyes. That's your problem. Your reputation isn't something thats split up. People aren't going to suddenly go from wow that guys retarded to wow he's a pretty cool dude simply because you flipped an arbitrary switch in your head.

If that's the case, then the community here is seriously mentally problematic from completely failing to understand the difference between a game versus real life.

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2 minutes ago, Verin said:

You're right, politics do involve reputation, yours is forever tarnished as crybaby

 

PW never forgets my friend, never

 

Also I'm not exploiting anything, I'm simply disliking comments that I disagree with ?

Your reputation in-game is separate from your reputation in discussing how the game is managed. 

Yes, you can dislike all you want, but your relationship with another player is not superior to another's relationship with the same player.

That's your problem. You're confusing the IC-OOC distinction and trying to make yourself more valuable than third parties in judging someone's reputation.

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5 hours ago, MinesomeMC said:

I have terrible reputation point and idc, but if that number is your life you should reevaluate your life immediately. I heard shifty does therapy.

PnW is a political game. Politics involve reputation.

On an in-character basis, we have to acknowledge its importance.

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5 hours ago, Olive Penderghast said:

I went through the settings in the AdminCP and went through the options, and found there is limited settings we can do ourselves. 

 

Reputation Settings:

• Reputation Enabled?: Yes
• Exclude these groups: None Selected
• Highlight Content with Positive Reputation: set to 7
• Show Each members total reputation points on their profile: Enabled
• Reaction Display: Individual or Value, and Individual was selected

 

There is other categories, but doesn't change the way it works persay.

We can add more reactions, 4 of the default reactions are currently disabled, leaving the Like, upvote and downvote the only ones you can select on the forums, then the tab to control the leaderboard and the Reputation levels. 

 

There isn't a way to exclude sub-forums.

Going into Groups, the only thing I could do is increase/Decrease the amount of Upvotes/Downvotes/Likes an account can do in one day or hide the members ratings altogether. 

 

I can't speak for the rest of the Moderation team or @Alex on this, but I don't agree with removal of the reputation system, nor do I feel with the settings provided to us by the provider of this forum software need to be changed. I personally would rather allow more freedom of expression, as long as it doesn't violate the current forum rules. I don't think we need to add more restrictions, however like I said, I am not speaking on behalf of the Alex and the Moderation Team, this is more of my personal opinion on the matter. 

I would agree with freedom of expression except the current system allows some people to loudmouth reputation over others. It doesn't weigh everyone's relationships with other players equally.

The result is the system empowers people with mentally unhealthy addictions and obsessions to ruin and boost other players' reputations out of proportion to how other people relate. This is why I said any individual player should be only able to impact another player's reputation by 1 point. Again, reputation is a community, not individual, score. 

It's also very clear from this thread that an abundance of punishments need to be handed out. There's a difference between IC and OOC personal attacks which many players here don't appreciate. If someone wants to call another IC salty, that's fine, but calling someone else OOC salty suggests people aren't allowed to have self-respect or engage in self-defense. It's a confession to wanting to be a real life predator who wants to compel other people to actually suffer beyond the parameters of the game.

Case in point, this is a literal confession to exploiting the system: 

10 hours ago, Verin said:

we're trolls, we don't care either way

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3 minutes ago, rollo said:

Jesus you cry a lot.

Also, LAWL you care about forum rep. 

 

Troll moar. You're just looking for easy pickings and don't like it when people defend what makes sense.

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If by good fight, you mean he enables random creepy stalkers who are addicted to being self-absorbed, yea sure.

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Just now, Parachotic said:

That's a whole lot of nothing you said right there.

Whatever troll. Get your head checked out.

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3 minutes ago, Parachotic said:

You can't take a swing at me and then cry when I swing back, straight up played the victim card, gtfo.

Boss, I didn't take a swing at you.

You swung first, and continued to escalate. I don't even know who you are or where you came from. You're just a random creepy stalker who's seriously screwed up in the head.

The bottomline is you're self-absorbed in perpetually downvoting for no reason. Your opinion isn't any greater from anyone else's when it comes to what you think of someone else.

Played the victim? No. It's called realizing you're not the center of the universe as much as you might want to be. Grow up.

All my proposition does is hold your opinion in proportion to anyone else's.

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21 minutes ago, Akuryo said:

Fam your entire thread is about you being upset

Again, you don't believe people can talk about things objectively.

You're a psychopath.

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6 minutes ago, Akuryo said:

"We're not engaging in personal attacks here" says the guy calling people who downvote his posts psychopaths, meaning someone who cannot feel empathy, to the person that called them a salt lord for doing exactly that.

Do you have any self awareness? Any at all would be nice to see. 

I'm uh, calling you the salt lord, please keep up. You're very, very salty. And there you again "we're not engaging in personal attacks" he says while again calling another person a psychopath for downvoting his posts.

@Eva-Beatrice is this really the hill you're gonna die on? With this guy? Come on now.

I don't have a problem with people downvoting my posts.

The problem is when some random profile who I've never had any contact before at all continues to downvote again and again and again... and I wasn't even talking about you. The system as is allows completely random opinions to totally ruin someone's reputation.

On top of that, the opinion becomes overweighted compared to the opinion of others. It ignores how reputation is a community, not individual, characteristic.

If anyone lacks empathy, it's those who refuse to understand the problem of weighing different people's opinions differently when it comes to defining reputation...

...and no, you're just a cynic who comes to presumptions. You clearly don't believe people can talk objectively about things which further suggests that indeed you're a psychopath. The fact you even downvote someone's opinion in an OOC thread that you disagree with further reinforces the point. You're clearly trying to mix in-game versus real life understanding.