[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

If you opened your mouth just a little wider, @Phoenyx, I am certain you could easily accommodate that second foot.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

1 hour ago, Phoenyx said:

I heard 3 hours myself.

I'm getting the distinct impression you only hear what you wish to hear.

You're entitled to your own opinion.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

8 hours ago, zigbigadorlou said:

Let's see... you telegraphed your attack from a mile away, everyone knew to expect it, and even had time to scramble together the rest of the game against you. Who's got their pants down?

I can see you billowing limply in the wind. It's you. For the reasons I can only presume you deliberately straw-manned out of the quote.

We knew a coalition was being built against us. We knew an attack was coming. We pre-empted it.

That's why the war started when it did instead of mid November. It's also why half of your coalition has no CB.

[Recognition of war]

They just couldn't handle us.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

3 minutes ago, Jeric said:

War stated after he resigned... 

It also started after he leaked.
I'm willing to pay the coin for him to change his name from Sphinx to Sieve.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

3 minutes ago, Jeric said:

Did you not read? He resigned and a better leader has already stepped up... 

And all it took was consecutive global wars caused by Sphinx's inability to not-leak.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

1 minute ago, Jeric said:

Not gonna add any content here or even an official statement from TCW as I do not speak for the whole.. but it seems to me like this is a "punish sphinx for being a fool" campaign yet Sphinx is unable to be touched so the rest of the alliance gets to suffer, even though we, the members, had nothing to do with his discussions... Help me understand the logic?

If you don't like dealing with the consequences of an incompetent leader, perhaps it's time to find a better leader?

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

It's fascinating trying to see some claim the pre-empt wasn't justified. But it was.

We caught you with your pants down. We have pictures of you with your pants down. We've shared the pictures with all of our friends.

No point getting upset about it now and trying to claim you didn't have your pants down, because it's too late - we already saw your dongle.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

1 hour ago, Grave said:

How about 1000 players that almost all of whom are active and well stocked enough militarize in 4 days and obedient enough to declare nearly 2 offensive wars per nation? 

Setting the bar pretty low here, aren't we?
If you find having a warchest and being able to declare two wars each threatening I can't imagine you get much sleep at night.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

Oh do come on t$.

How dare you plot to plot against the plot that was plotted against you!

Don't you know pre-empting a planned hit on you is not a valid CB? Evidence be damned!

[[DOW] When You Leak This Much You Need To Get Some Diapers]

Oh. Crap. I forgot to set an alarm for this...

[Aurora and Allies White Peace With Trinity Bloc]

This lacks ambition.
Needs a 12 month NAP.

[[Bloc] Episode IV - A New Hope]

On 7/29/2020 at 3:28 PM, Waldo said:

Creating a bloc was just an excuse to give me more places to hide. 

I only agreed to this bloc so House Stark could help me find you, Waldo.

[[Bloc] Episode IV - A New Hope]

This all seems awfully familiar.

[Alliance Bank Sending Funds Mechanism]

All it wouild really take to fix this problem is two check boxes.
One for Alliance
One for Nation
The most important aspect of this being that by default neither option is selected.
And then a confirmation screen, such as we have with Trades.

[Order of the White Rose]

Do you have what it takes to play the game for the long-haul?
To be more than just another faceless brick in the wall?
Would you rather be an integral part of a vibrant community rather than just another faceless statistic?

Come be our Kith

[Black Skies DoE]

12 minutes ago, Young Guilo said:

The only way you guys "proved" you were in the clear was when I refused to hand over my personal information for you to log into my account. If you have a problem with that fine. But you carry that grudge. It has more weight apparently than your words.

You talk about others writing their own history and then conjure up this nonsense out of the aether.
Never mind that it was proven beyond question by the game mechanics that those messages you forged couldn't possibly have come from our end. They simply did not exist.

Keep trying to peddle your lies you tell yourself until they become true. But sooner or later you will choke on them.

May the game gods have mercy on the poor, addled little newbies who decide to align themselves with you. They'll need all the help they can get.

[Black Skies DoE]

25 minutes ago, Young Guilo said:

And full videos with audio overlay outlying and showing everything that was required and demanded of me to prove my innocence. But sure. Big boi writes his own history.

Thanks for reminding me. I'd forgotten all about that video you'd forged.
I guess at the time I was too focused on the in-game messages which proved you were lying.

[What happened to NPO]

On 6/23/2020 at 4:01 PM, CaptainPronin said:

Where did they go?

Karma finally caught up with them.

[Black Skies DoE]

I hope you're better at running alliances than you are at forging screenshots.

[[TREATY] VT-GATO Optional Defence and Optional Aggression Pact]

Congrats on the treaty guys.

Ignore all the toxic negativity. Half of them couldn't tell their arse from their elbow.

[[Announcement] Moving Forward]

4 hours ago, Thorkell Hardrada said:

The narrative in this thread I presume would be reflective of the changing narrative during the war. I dare say Camelot felt about the war very differently at differing periods , optimistic at some parts, not so much at other times. Them stating as much here I'd say is consistent with the war for a lot of us 🤷‍♂️

I don't doubt that they've had a wide spectrum of feelings regarding the war.

But a changing narrative in an apology thread, running along the lines of "Sorry, not sorry, we're the victim, forgive us" over the course of a few days is very different to a changing opinion throughout months of war.

Though given the terms they were trying to inflict upon us, and a complete lack of contrition after the fact, siuggests to me quite strongly that their position on the war has only changed now that they have no choice to be sorry. And given their conduct in this thread, their remorse is largely superficial because they fear lingering grudges against them.

I will give them a chance. When they actually reach out in some meaningful way.

[[Announcement] Moving Forward]

5 hours ago, Thorkell Hardrada said:

Heh, I suspect that what was true for most of us at the start of the war changed considerably throughout the war itself as it spiralled out of control. A change in narrative doesn't overly surprise me since very few of us finished the war in a similar situation to the one we started the war in.

I'm not talking about a change in narrative throughout the war.
I'm talking about a fluctuating narrative within this thread.

[[Announcement] Moving Forward]

29 minutes ago, Thorkell Hardrada said:

At the end of the day, you can either accept an apology and move on, or you don't. But adding conditions to apologies and insisting on special demands and wording renders the entire point of an honest apology being a moot point imo.

But that's not precisely what's going on here, is it?

The issue here is that in a single thread Camelot are apologising. Then they were trying to play themselves off as another victim of IQ. Then in the next breath giving the distinct impression that they are not sorry at all, but just looking to be let off the hook.

Consistency isn't really a special demand.

[[Announcement] Moving Forward]

I'll gladly give Camelot a chance.

The moment I see any effort to actually reach out an apologise for all their historic wrongs and not immediately see another member backtrack from that position.

As of yet we [OWR] haven't once been approached for the rule-breaking flag they wanted us to fly as part of peace terms. And unless I'm very much mistaken when Carthage brought up the issue of their flag, the apology amounted to, "Relax, it was just a joke."

I'm going to assume there are many others they've not actually reached out to.

Figure out how to apologise.
Figure out how to stick to that apology.

It's not difficult.