[An Appeal to The Syndicate]

1 hour ago, Adrienne said:

At your own alliance's peril, friend

Not condoning the NPO comparisons but yeesh. Find a threat that isn't so mutually destructive? We had him too, we know.

If I’m going under this bus I’m taking everyone else with me, friend. 😉

[An Appeal to The Syndicate]

On 1/25/2022 at 7:53 PM, EliteCanada said:

I think Jessica Rabbit would be disappointed in what tS has become and how they have conducted themselves this war and of late. I was in tS for years, albeit inactive for much of it, and I know I am disappointed.

As someone who knew Jess quite well, personally, I can tell you she’d just be happy we were still prominent enough to warrant this kind of attention. 

When she left the alliance was going through major brain drain, experiencing member atrophy, and having a difficult time maintaining interest and activity in the game outside of generally just enjoying each other’s company on discord. 

Since then we have grown tremendously, continued to impact the game in significant ways, and are still breathing, sovereign, autonomous and having fun.

You can be as ashamed as you want (we have certainly been ashamed of you from time to time) but don’t ever invoke her name to pad your pathetic opinion again. 

[An Appeal to The Syndicate]

All I have to say is I will bring back Hilmes if any single fricking one of you ever dares to insult our FA and compare us to NPO again.

[[DoW] Quack's Last Ride]

1 hour ago, Eumirbago said:

What we're really gonna do is cancel the treaty and activate a "secret" treaty for the love of destroying a hegemony amirite guys?

Just wait until we don’t have to honor the “optics” clause of that secret treaty we signed a year ago or the “I don’t know how to tell that to my members” clause from the secret treaty we signed 2.5 years ago. 
 

That’s when the lid will really blow off this conspiracy joint and they’ll truly begin see just how many secret treaties we’ve been keeping from them.

One might even say this rabbit hole runs deeper than a paranoid nation sim nerd’s imagination. 

[Where am I? Partisan musings]

We'd be able to intercept these missives with spies if we had any.

Y'all did this to yourselves. 

[Possible Conclusions on Global War 16's genesis and continuation]

1 hour ago, Phoenyx said:

Everyone else must be lying because Tyrion would never lie to me~~~

Outside looking in, there are two probabilities. Influential elements of Tyrion’s own sphere left him completely in the dark while conspiring with HM and Rose, or he’s lying.

I know what my money is on.

[Possible Conclusions on Global War 16's genesis and continuation]

If only you were as eloquent and stately as Tyrion.

Then I might actually want to read your posts.

[A sad truth about the Swampy Rose Hedge...]

39 minutes ago, Akuryo said:

@Eumirbagomate you've only embarrassed yourself by waiting until your only available material would be the dried regurgitated crap already spun around for two weeks. 

You missed your chance, better luck next time tho!

>He straight up says he didn’t contribute

>You accuse him of not contributing.

What a zinger, so cutting that I’m feeling second-hand embarrassment.

Maybe you think you understand how Eumir works, but I’m just going to level with you man: nobody truly understands how he works.

[A sad truth about the Swampy Rose Hedge...]

1 hour ago, Hodor said:

Phoenyx is playing catch up and, bless his heart, is truly terrible at it.

Brave of you to assume that Phoenyx is actually trying. 

[111000110010000111 - $yndicate dispatch]

1 hour ago, zigbigadorlou said:

Can I get a tl;dr? Or rather a I've never read a book so I don't understand? These threads make me remember why I never got into the forums 

This was not rambling nor did it include enough references. Please try again later when you're jaded enough. 

[Denouncement]

35 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

I believe we can achieve great things.

Commendable things? 

[Boyce and his role in the current global war]

21 hours ago, Hime-sama said:

We're all IQ

The only IQ worth defeating is the one in your own soul.

[Global War 16 - War of the Spies]

1 minute ago, Phoenyx said:

Agreed. Ofcourse, if you'd opened discussions, I think this whole war would have been avoided. 

Is war only about fighting in the trenches? This war started due to words. It will end the same way. 

The clock has been reset.

[Global War 16 - War of the Spies]

I will be starting a formal petition to all relevant parties to keep fighting until Phoenyx stops encouraging us to peace out.

[Boyce and his role in the current global war]

5 hours ago, Phoenyx said:

Do you guys believe in evidence at all? No wonder you were all fooled by Sphinx/Boyce and/or wherever their sources were. 

You have yet to prove that you aren’t a reroll.

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

7 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Yes, we should have let tS and TKR roll us one by one instead 👍

Clearly the better option.

Show us the logs.

[A (Not So) Brief Note on the Narrative]

34 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Okay bub, you've now crossed the line from "confused newbie looking for answers" to "busybody getting involved in things way above your head" and in fact graduated to "actual annoyance".

For your own sake: Cease and desist.

They grow up so fast. 😭

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

why must you hurt me so

[A (Not So) Brief Note on the Narrative]

30 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

3 minutes ago, Hodor said:

It's all we want!!!

It's always about you, you, you and what you want. 

We have feelings too, you know!

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

3 minutes ago, Lord Tyrion said:

As I said "We've already gone back and forth with you saying you thought we were coming on the offensive and us saying we weren't, so it's dumb to keep arguing over that unless new facts come out. "

Yeah but your vain attempts to double down on your innocence aren't something we're willing to entertain when we have evidence that indicates the opposite. 

So we can keep going in circles as long as you want to continue to maintain this farce of a charade you keep playing at. 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

9 minutes ago, Lord Tyrion said:

You mention Swamp-Rose as if there was an actual MDP in place, there was/is not.  If Hedge had hit Rose or Swamp, the other would have stayed out.  Similarly, if Rose had hit Hedge or Swamp, the other would have stayed out.  These were not general MDP agreements.  The agreement in place was for a single purpose and that was to defend against Quack if Quack got aggressive.  Quack was literally about to dogpile HM and TCW, probably 3.6M score vs 1.5M score or whatever it was, so those fears weren't completely unfounded.  We've already gone back and forth with you saying you thought we were coming on the offensive and us saying we weren't, so it's dumb to keep arguing over that unless new facts come out.  But the point being, the only reason those agreements were in place was to defend against the exact scenario that played out.  There is not some overarching configuration that exists beyond the parties working together to defend against one deemed mutual threat.

This is just another variant of the "we would have never attacked you if you hadn't preempted our plan to attack you" spin. 

It just doesn't add up at all. Swamp in particular has been specifically indicted in an attempt to pull HM into an aggressive plot against Quack. Maybe Rose got roped into things unaware/without the full picture but both HM and Swamp knew what the deal was: an aggressive attack on Quack.

Stop with your willfully obtuse attempts at saving face. 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

1 minute ago, Hodor said:

I think we agree, I just worded my disparagement for the "y no CB?!?!" crowd a little harshly.

I'm just going to say we agree on the whole but vary on playstyle. 

[We are here for the whales - t$ DoW]

9 minutes ago, Hodor said:

I love some intrigue, but we're really bad at it in this game... our version of intrigue is high school gossip culminating in someone being dragged around by their hair in the cafeteria.

Also a CB isn't needed, but it's nice if you've got a juicy one, but sometimes you just wanna drag Becky around the cafeteria by her hair because you feel like it.

I agree for the most part but I would like to emphasize that it doesn't mean we should just stop trying. 

At the end of the day it boils down to philosophical differences, I guess. 

And I don't even disparage the idea of noCB wars - especially if alliance themes match up with it or they're played off/presented in an interesting way but even those can underpin (or be underpinned by) political intrigue. 

Anyway, my point is that there is a point to CBs. 

 

The fact we're even touching on this here is kind of an indicator on how blurred the lines are getting between the game and the meta. 😛

[A (Not So) Brief Note on the Narrative]

12 minutes ago, Toph said:

I mean it seems pretty relevant to me. It really was not that long ago that everybody and their mother was complaining about IQ consolidation and the secret ties after their "break-up". The fact that these issues are constantly coming up and we're all finding ourselves circling back to them is par for the course for this game. There is clearly a reason why we keep needing to have this conversation.

On that note it seems pretty irresponsible to me to completely disregard the past as if it has no bearing on the present when it, in fact, is the entire underlying premise behind the OP. If we want to have an honest discussion about where we go in the future with the meta, we have to consider where we came from and not use toxic rhetoric like calling something "ridiculous" and "garbage". If you want this thread to have any significance whatsoever it's probably not a good idea to quickly disregard what people have to say, unless of course your aim is to simply spread propaganda.

You are not wrong.

But you aren't on the money, either.

 

There is an importance to historical context and precedent for sure but to skip back nearly four years and point to something (individual paperless alliances making paperless agreements) and skip over last year when most of our opposition were lambasting NPO for making a paperless agreement with BK to effectively blend their "distinct" spheres against a "common threat", which is way more relevant and comparable to the current paperless coalition that formed up against Quack is careless at best and straight up disingenuous at worst. 

So is historical context important? Certainly.

Does bringing up something that happens in the past necessarily mean it's a relevant or the most relevant comparison? 

I'd say no. Not really.