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Just now, Prefonteen said:
That's factually incorrect. NPO never received egregrious terms. The current terms, scale of punishment, and deliberate extension of the war are all unprecedented. This is all verifiable by simply looking at the full terms and comparing those to terms NPO has received in the past.
I have read the history. I was also there for the history. NPO was shown mercy on almost every occasion.
If ur talking this game possibly. If we are talking which I tried to say about karma it was in CN which the terms given were meant to cripple NPO for years which they did until probally after the doomhiuse war were even agian we were held to a extended war to cripple the upper tier at that time which was a matter of fact done by our current emperor here. Now NPO in the realm is probally untouchable thanks to time and on emperor actually listening to a peon that instead of trying to beat them let's join them. But that is a older realm compared here were history os still being made. I think maybe part of the problem here is just cause of the past there seems to be a expectation of entitlement. Just cause in the past joe blow was treated nice amd so should we. Well that was yesterday and today is a different day. Agian things change and maybe sometimes going with the flow will make u greater in the future. As a leader one is responsible for his people and his allies. Meaning all ur leaders need to find a way to sort this out causing less harm to ur people and allies. Like I mentioned I understand the musical chairs at the beginning and grandstanding but there comes a time when there are no longer any chairs to sit on for anyone.. what is that saying I heard in a movie. The needs of the many out way the needs of the few ?
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2 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:
No, they didn't walk away when they found out. They indulged in this coalition B power trip with the a expectation that t$ would at least be given the courtesy of terms. That courtesy wasn't given, and the many leaked logs showed that there was no intent to give us terms anytime soon.
The big problem to us isn't just the process itself. It's that a lot of logs have been leaked which clearly show that the intent of coalition B is to extend the war and/or kill us off. Can you blame us for being up in arms about that?
No to a point but regardless how u word it the rest of ur coalition did walk away or stop the talks... agian the logs lol ... never mind. I do understand to a,point but I am going to go outta this world a bit as NPO itself has been separated in talks in many wars amd held to longer wars and worse terms. The making of a great allainceis the resiliency to take it on the chin then habe to aviluty to bounce back .. the out of this world part look at NPO from karma to it's current state. Read the history just to maybe help u understand that cause u cant always get what u want being g on the losing end but cam ce back and prove ur better and worth if u have the desire.
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3 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:
I hope I taste good, friend!
I'm sorry. These things were posted after 20 days of silence. There was ample time in which good faith was given and not reciprocated. That's roughly where any argument or justification ends.
The question is when did the rest of ur coalition walk away when u werfound out the u were to be separated from the main talks. Thiugh I do understand at the point they backed of but that would mean 20 days is mute amd it would of been up to ur side to now accept the process that was given to ur side. I guess in a round about way would ur side now consider the separation in talks on condition as long as nothing is final til peace is made with all ....
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2 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:
For the record, I have given prefontaines offer a positive reception. We are willing to work with mediators if need be.
No. The problem is that certain people refuse to acknowledge that one side simply hasn't come to the table *in good faith*. I know t$ for a fact still has not received any serious response.
Our bargaining position was non-existent as we were not allowed at the table. There was nothing to be undermined besides the absolutely bs narrative which was being put out by certain leaders on coalition B's side. As the logs have proven.
Where is faith when people are posting here things such as logs and everything else. Agian this are the se semantics from page one amd so forth. Agian putting the blame somewhere by someone. Why u may be shut out is because ur trying and others are trying to bargain here. If anything I supprosed no one has turned this to say u must be weak amd desperate to be here in a open forum. Dont get me wrong if the rest of ur side is not standing by u .. hell that is a great trait but there comes a moment to maybe say fine accept the process the other side says. I think amd this is just a opinion.. if the rest of ur coalition does do there part a.d follow the process I would in their case make the final agreement contingent on a peace deal with u. Ia saying this amd I am sure someone will tell me that I wrong but u took a stance too quick without going through the process right from the get go. I think once ur other members of ur coalition had a conditional agreement u would of been next. I can say the dog jumped over the fence but 10 people will tell me a different color of the dog or fence or types. Hence the perception and reading of the leaked logs really mean nothing.
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3 minutes ago, Cooper_ said:
See the thing is with these logs is that we have the context, all of the context actually. And in reading them, the main thing that's clear is that your coalition doesn't want peace. I think I've responded to you previously respecting your personal desire to find a solution, but you can't peace out to an enemy that is purposely trying to extend the war to do more damage (and finding every method to avoid peacing out to do so). There's a reason when your side has dropped a lot of its rhetoric on that front because its simply indefensible.
This is what I am talking about .. instead of shutting up u still want to argue and agian it will go on and on ... all this thread is about is semantics .. hell I can argue or debate as well but geeesh semantics do not solve problems they create them.
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35 minutes ago, Cooper_ said:
You do realize that there are dozens of logs that say otherwise, right? Also, it's not just you. It's basically every major coalition leader besides Sphinx. NPO, BK, GoG, UPN, Acadia, Polaris. So stop gaslighting and start acting in good faith.
Before you comment on the OOC issue, I direct you to my previous comment.
U do realise that in any peace talk there seems to be rumors of forced disbandment. One bad thing about logs most of the time is taken out of context. Reading through this thread who the eggs wants to talk peace. There is so much buldedash running through it I think everyone has forgot what the reality is that there r suppose to be peace talks going on. Personally I think each coalition should pick just one representative each to limit the people in the room amd hammer crap out for at least 23 to 48 hours and at the end if no peace in site the we continue fighting. Less interruptions.. less public crying ... amd if there is leaks then there is limited access so might just not happen and just maybe something will be accomplished.
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On 12/2/2019 at 4:40 PM, Abbas Mehdi said:
Now that's a name I haven't seen in quite some time. Hey there Bruce.
Yeah ya .. RL mostly keeping me busy
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44 minutes ago, ComradeMilton said:
Yeah, it's weird how they claim to have done so and are still fighting yet here we are. Do you think they should have to surrender again? That seems a bit much to me.
I dont think no one actually surrendered but more a promise to surrender if given terms...
Personally if that was the thought I would of actually asked for a 3 to 5 day ceasefire and hit the tables. Either way .... it is what it is I guess
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See now this was a good post cept for ome part. The shady part. Everyone in their right mind knows politics are simply shady. As well will be bold and state shady is what makes politics as well know that backdoor deals are what makes everything. But the whole thing is u dont bring the shady put and e pect it to solve anything. In public when ur doing this just makes all to not trust anyone whether ur the leader or just a peon somewhere in the AA.. hence why blaming each other makes it all worse. If u dont want to offer ur own surrender terms I get that but that does not mean u still can not be more aggressive in the back channels. If there is no back channel make one and invite people... and maybe without terms start talking bout a leaf game or football game or Roqs exhurberent hair style or something .. but just because terms are not being discussed as demanded does not mean simple conversation will not lead to solutions
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1 minute ago, Prefonteen said:
We offered to compromise and conduct talks for the first 20 days. When it became clear that we weren't going to receive terms, we posted the earlier thread.
We also haven't been given a server, and we have structurally inquired about terms being ready. As I said, it took 20 days before we went public with our thread. That's a reaction, not the cause.
I think you are misundersanding us :). Our post stems from a loss of faith in coalition B's claimed willingness to peace out at this time. We continue to be open to talks, we continue to structurally inquire and we continue to do so both in public and private. We do not however, agree to allowing coalition B to present us as the culprit (which was occurring prior to our posting of the thread) while we've been bending over backwards.
Trust me I am not misunderstanding at all. I am just reacting to the 4 pages of banter I have seen mostly oh as well I brought up past harsh terms from history of another realm to explain kinda how this version here of NPO actually came to be. And personally to sum it up I think it is both sides have lost faith in each other. From everything from what seems to be backstabbing with certain events true or not there is blame being tossed in this thread which is creating alot of the problem. As well as treaty cancellations and other stuff. All I trying to do here is say to u to made be more aggressive amd make ur own terms.. I know I would not have waited maybe and just say okay player since it has been this long this is the alternative to maybe speed the process up for both sides kinda thing ... maybe what u suggest is already part of what ever the other side is thinking who knows .. make ur own list the send it. Right now this bad cycle of blame is just going to go in a circle jerk. And personally having read the stuff I have read I probally myself would of given harsher terms just for bringing this out in the open the way it has but that is personal and not a reflection of what is really going on as I would have no clue to that honestly. The whole situation is sad when we think about it amd the resentment these threads has caused. Dont get me wrong there is nothing like a good war to bring out the best in the game but with the way things are happening now from what I have read it is only going to get worse and worse.
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10 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:
What harsh terms exactly has NPO been given in the past?
As for sending a list- we literally have given a blank check and preemptively surrendered (as was requested). I.e. We've essentially told them: "alright, we're ready to surrender. What's it gonna take". I don't think it can be much more straightforward than that.
If after offering our surrender we were to start throwing out terms while coal B remains mute, we'd essentially be bidding against ourselves *before negotiations even started*. That'd be a selfdestructive foreign policy.
As for the last bit... i'm not sure what you're trying to say. All t$ has asked so far is for its private overtures to be reciprocated.
K the key word was what is it gonna take u ask. Well apperently if I have read right one of the terms for talks was to separate ts from the rest of ur coalition but with ur open or blank check ur not going to go for that. U can correct me if u like but my point is u say urself blank cheque well then maybe show more patience and stop bringing it out in the open such as this thread. Each day hit the server and ask r terms ready. Dont just sit show a aggressive side. I am not questioning if u want peace or even of u have gone back channels. I am just saying if and since so much time has gone by even offer ur own terms to agree to as it may help speed up the process. As if you think this process is not working try something new instead. Offer say white peace for ur allies and say u are willing to accept terms dealt or put ur own limits knowing of course it will be negotiated. Hell even I know if I hand in a blank peice of paper to my teacher I am going to get a F lol. Emd the war first then do ur propaganda move with the FA game. In other words everyone needs to stop playing the blame game with each other now and get to peace then after all is said and done play the game
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Asking what the terms are and offering ur own surrender with terms are different ... the whole gist of this thread comes out u been waiting waiting and waiting .. send ur own terms in ... slot of times when the surrending party is actually the aggressor in discussing terms meaning own it send it offer the penalty it goes lite for all. Bringing all this here tends to create more resentment and harsher endings. NPO in the past itself has had some of the harshest terms put on is. Hell even our current emporer has done it to us. But the one thing we have done is take terms for our allies. We sucked it up. Is what it came down to. Hell even once if I recall we made reps for one AA that fought us just cause our ally asked. Seriously ... if I were in shoes such as urs I would send my own list what we are willing to do and work from there. At least then a thread like this does make sense. There is no reason why both sides can not come to terms. Personally I dont care or am I for or against any of this. I am just prob one of the many who are just fed up with the drama queen syndrome from everyone. Playing victim does not always work unless ur willing to maybe shown political aggression with the pen instead of the sword. Sometimes as well through these acts the worst of enemies can become the best of friends. Hell this version of NPO in this realm started with two enemies becoming one after years of hate. Why cause the one person decided enough was enough and eventually went to the other and built a strong relationship in the end.
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Well did ts ever think of pushing the talks more by offering what they might agree to start. For instance ... dear enemy ..we understand the plan to separate us from the coalition but we offer this on our part to blah blah blah if u say offer the rest of our coalition these conditions of say white peace for example blah blah blah. Whatever terms u may feel. They may or may not be close to anything but at least it's a start ... and may speed up the process. I find myself no one is right or wrong but in general both sides have agreed at some point for peace. So all I saying is instead of whining or making drama here do it in the back channels. Hell even if they wont talk just leave the message to plant a seed . The onus is up to your side as well as ours to achieve the end game.
4 minutes ago, Prefontaine said:How dare you besmirch my good name and accuse me of leaking back channel information.
Umm can u show me quotations please lol
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@Prefontaine seems to me if u took all this to the back channels peace may have been accomplished by now instead if doing the wine and cheese thing here. As the surrounding side has been my past experience that the surrending parties should realise the step by step process to achieving peace. Such as splitting members of the coalition to negotiate on terms of levels of involvement. For instance in a court of law defendants are often tried separately due to different circumstances. All the semantics in this thread is doing nothing but continuing a cycle of circle jerk that will never end for anyone.
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Gotta love the pixel evangelists. But I think this movie was already made and called Bruce Almighty. Hail to the eggs in my pocket
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Buuuuuurp.... putting all eggs in two pockets ... welcome
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wow i would love to be these guys ... ooops already am lmao
Yeah to us
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Go get them guys o/ Guerilla Republik o/
An Announcement from Coalition A Regarding Peace Talks
in Alliance Affairs
Posted
Oh I agree. Dont need to say why karma happened just trying to point out something. And I doubt that terms here would be as harsh or crippling I would think. Maybe a little history created from the past but at least would be fair I imagine. My hole point is this threads post habe been just a cycle but stubbornness it seems with continue that and even I cam admit as long as it stays the way it is now we gonna be burning war for awhile yet .