Charles Bolivar

Damn Dutch.

Burn it all.

I didn't get to attack UPN this war. Clearly a fake war.

If you have high enough infra the wars come to you 🤣

Give it time. The rhetoric after this war is going to be highly interesting.

True, true and true.

You don't say? 🤣

But you don't agree with my side's points either? 🤔 But it's understandable why you would disagree.

To be honest, TKR is in this war alongside tS for much the same reasons as to why the opposing coalition banded together against quack. Mutual interests and defence being best served by working with others of similar mind. Although I do freely admit the common reaction amongst a decent portion of our side, or at least amongst the oldies I speak to anyway, is a feeling of pity for TKR being dragged into yet another war courtesy of tS. Sipping on tS koolaid is the common phrase. Like I get why, if TKR didn't ride alongside tS there would be a readily apparent belief within TKR that they would be next on the chopping block. That would be the rational thought process so it really does benefit TKR's interests to side with tS during this war. but in that case, TKR would be, and most likely is for that matter, utilising the same logic as a portion of our coalition anyway. Hypocrites on both sides it would appear perhaps? And yes, I suppose you do have the right to feel foolish. Lets not pretend it is a badge of honour though. There is no honour in having your membership pay the price for the idealistic notions of a few. C'mon man. You can do better than this. At least I hope you can anyway. If not, keep on truckin.

I somewhat agree tbh, it is somewhat hypocritical, but then again I always regarded the notion of minispheres as idealistic nonsense only a fool could actually believe possible. I said it during the last war when people made a fuss about NPO defending BK for much the same reason which I found incredulous. How could anyone have reasonably entertained the notion that NPO would not have defended BK? And I say much the same now, we can talk about moralism, ethics, dogpiles, coalitions etc till the sun comes up and goes back down again but it's largely irrelevant to the fundamental basics behind this war in that a coalition of varying interests felt threatened by quack for whatever individual reasons and banded together for their mutual defence. That's rational behaviour and any alliance leader who attempted to tell their members " sorry guys, we are getting rolled by quack, we would have averted said rolling if we had joined up with other folks but I wanted to make minispheres instead" should be couped immediately for being a moron. So yes, we have hypocrites on one side and fools on the other. Much the same as any other war in that regards.

Along with others closer to home 👍

Sooooo what you are saying is each of these three spheres should have instead let quack attack and roll them individually? Come on man, you know better than that and it's simply not how the game operates. Alliances/spheres find common causes against mutual and potential/actual threats and group their spheres together for specific strategic purposes. You know this better than most because you yourself did it plenty enough times against the likes of Rose and UPN back in the day. You even did so midway during the last war when you aligned tS's war efforts against NPO with the rest of us despite the actual reasoning for tS being in the war differing significantly thanks to NPO being stupid. Does it suck being dogpiled or being significantly outnumbered? Hell yeah, and I feel the pain because more than a few of us went through it during NPOLT for 6-8 months. But let's not try and paint this as something which it isn't. Much like how you blame chaos/ketog/HM's FA decisions last war for alienating tS from supporting us against IQ, it's tS's own FA actions and decision making which have resulted in today's state of affairs. Sure, you can argue indirect or direct actions of tS being the cause, but it all amounts to the same at the end of the day. If a coalition builds up against a sphere there are always simply two factors involved. The first being 1) that sphere did something to cause said coalition forming , and 2) said sphere also did not take enough corrective action to prevent the aforementioned coalition arising. So it's all well and good to come out here and scream things about coalitions forming but you know the rules of the game better than most. I get why you are saying it, namely because you need to paint some narrative which supports your own cause but the only people buying into it are the already converted hence the radio silence mostly from our side 🤷‍♂️ Also, done this on a phone so forgive the grammar 👍🤣 Good luck old friend.

Some also fought with NPO and/or aided their interests.

Good. I hope Tyrion shakes things up. We need some ambition around these parts to give the status quo a good shaking.

Ok. Stop.

There is no "truth" which will ever satisfy either side. One side felt threatened by the looming hegemony of the other and took collectivist measures to defend themselves and/or maintain their own security. The other side got wind of such measures and launched an attack. Trying to find some semblance of "truth" in what is a series of Realpolitik decisions made by parties on both sides is just a futile waste of time since it has no relevance or value. Both sides were correct in their actions since both sides were placing the welfare of their members first and foremost. The rest is history. The moralist rubbish being peddled about is nothing more than strawman justification for whatever narrative is being pushed by either side.

Now now eumir, you know too well us old farts are prohibited from even hinting the tS of old was a far better and far different beast entirely. Even though we all admit it to one another in our infrequent private chats, we can't let everyone else know how we really feel 🤣 But in regards to our 2 cents being on everything, it's likely more so due to us having a voice because we were actively consulted on everything. Treaties, wars, tax changes, department changes along with leadership changes. The notion of censorship was anathema to us because we actively made an effort to be collaborative in our decision making process. Opsec was something which belonged to other alliances and had no place in the tS I remember for the first year and half roughly. These young uns these days have no how clue how consultative the old guard actually were with one another and tbh, I think it's not a trend exclusively limited to tS but applicable to this game as a general whole. I noticed it when I got back, namely the concentration of power and influence within a few select individuals in each alliance till the point where this game's meta is basically decided by a handful of people with thousands of players just enacting and implementing the whims of a few. As to the causes, who knows? The abandonment of forums and wholesale adoption of discord, the growth of whale tier economics or just a lack of new talent coming up in the ranks 🤷‍♂️ But alas yes, us old relic warhorses have had our time it would appear. Or so I am told anyway, we still get trotted out every so often to fight and win their wars for them 🤣

I seem to remember you contributing more than most actually 👍 alot of the wars in the early days were won off your back in addition to the backs of others including critters, Wana, Katie and so on.

Everyone always believes their cause is just and righteous though.

This is precisely the problem. The fire rises comrade 👍

Why commend when denouncing is just so much more fun?

I believe we can achieve great things.

The irony in accusing others of hubris 🤣

I will commend you when you finally purchase a ute. Deal?

Careful, your reroll mask is slipping 👍