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People acting like NAPs are bad and all is just lol. Is that the new way to be cool in 2021 ? If so, you have really low standards guys. Find something else idk.
First, this is just 3 months, nowhere near 6 months like post-AC or post-gw14.
Second, fighting another war within 3 months between Rose/BW/HW is very unlikely to not say impossible (unless big leak or big drama) even if there was no NAP. If you want action during that time, just ask Mystery or Oasis ? Not us.
Third, war is expensive asf and recovering from a global takes several months, TKR can probably relay that since I doubt most of their high tiers/whales got their ROI between gw18 & gw19 (and they chained 3 globals in 5 months, give them some rest). If you want to blame someone, blame Alex for making wars so expensive thus increasing the need for longer peace periods.
Fourth, this NAP has more pros than cons for everyone except GG.
13 hours ago, Adrienne said:Bollywood asked for it.
It's not like you even tried to negotiate it, and if anything that NAP objectively benefits TKR too imo.
The only person who made a small comment to show his disappointment about the 3-month NAP is Ronny, presumably because GG doesn't want Rose/BW to feel safe, coercing their whales into sticking to <3k infra to keep Grumpy ahead.-
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Or just dont be dumb and enter VM for several years which takes about 20 seconds.
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Just now, Latsu said:
What is Albion
It's DN
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Usually, you post the DoW or RoH after declaring wars or being declared on, not before. What are you doing ?
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3 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
This is how I know you are full of it. Heavy losses? Please. You cant run around and be like HW doesnt take any damage when they dogpile, and then dogpile us, and be like we took heavy losses to do this.
We are both the same size and you have taken less damage this war than I took during Guns and Roses, and that includes you eating a bunch of losses in the first round where we did about a billion in damage to you because you were one of the few we focused on.
I have noticed when you take damage its devastating, and when we take the same amount of damage its no big deal. Weird, maybe work on your warchest requirements?Because you're one of the (rare) Grumpy people who isn't a complete pixelhugger and fights more than the first round. You're the fourth grumpy to have taken the most damages in this war out of 30+ in GnR.
GnR was also the "hardest" war for Grumpy out of gw15/16/18 so it's easy to take it as an example lmao. I could use your rhetoric and say that only 1/3rd of Grumpy members took over 1 billions damages in gw16. And I could give you countless examples of Grumpy people who took derisory amounts of damages during both gw16 & gw18, like Lafaillette (Trevor Belmont) who took 760m damages in gw18 and 520m in gw16, which is atrociously low.
As for myself, it's worth noting that my damages taken aren't extremely high because my infrastructure was lower at the beginning of gw19 as I was already damaged by KT & I didn't have stupidly high amounts of infra like some of your members. And unlike some people, I'm not bleeding hundreds of millions of loot when I get beiged.
Now, our damages taken as the whole coalition are quite spread between t$, Rose and Eclipse/Company for whales. Despite that, my point was that it'll take our whales more time to recover from gw19 (in ROI) despite dogpiling you that it took yours to recover from gw15/gw16 or even most likely gw18 while having half of the game against you at that time. Feel free to do the maths if you don't believe me.
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21 hours ago, Miller said:
OP hegemony or easily rolled. We can’t be both.
Hollywood is only OP in the whale tier. I feel like i'm repeating myself but the only issue I have with Hollywood is that in 1v1 "fair" sphere wars, GG whales are basically unbeatable. So, what's the point of attacking Hollywood if our main objective which is to stop GG whales from growing tremendously cannot be achieved ? Our whales would just get rolled while GG whales keep growing and thus, the gap would become even bigger. It's almost as if the gap between Grumpy and Rose/t$ etc wasn't huge enough already.
Easily rolled ? Rolling HW has never been easy. The fact that it requires the two strongest spheres HW excluded (both with a large amount of whales, unlike Oasis or Minc) to work together to roll you literally means that you aren't easy to roll. Taking down GG hasn't been easy in the first round and we took heavy losses as well in the whale tier. When GG was dogpiling, their losses were way lower to not say close to non-existent for most of them.-
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20 hours ago, Miller said:
Third time’s the charm, right? Or is it the fourth. Fifth? I stopped counting. Surely this time will be different though.
I stopped counting the number of times TKR got dogpiled because of unsmart FA moves as well (gw14 excluded). Surely next time will be different though ! (I hope so for you at least)
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1 hour ago, Zevari said:
Just out of curiosity, has there ever been a real war where it was even for both sides? Excluding alliances such as KT which exists solely to fight and wars that were done out of desperation to save the game/prevent real hegemonic powers.
The only fair war (with some sort of relevance) that I've seen since I created my nation in August 2018 was Surf's Up (or KETOG vs Chaos) right before gw14 which only lasted like 2 weeks iirc. All the others were dogpiles or quite one sided so shrugs.
Also, KT isn't preventing hegemonic powers lol, they're politically irrelevant.-
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3 hours ago, Miller said:
But you’d be wrong, because we did exactly that. Still got rolled. So the incentive to do what orbis wants us to do is what?
Break GG.
1 hour ago, Who Me said:First, if you are only sending 6 on 3 you deserve to lose because you are stupid.
Sometimes overextending is needed during alliance wars. I'm sure that's what lots of Hollywood nations did during gw18, and it's not always in a dumb maneer.
1 hour ago, Who Me said:Second, Roasis lost because rose didn't mil up when everyone else did and got caught with their pants down and that was a total failure of their leadership.
Can't really deny that part, I haven't had a close look at gw18 neither did I participate but from the bits I saw and what i've heard it wasn't glorious.
But regardless, my original point stands, the current meta drastically nerfed updeclares & boosted updeclares which is as I said one of the reasons Hollywood won. For the record, it took us up to 2-3 rounds to fully drag down the GG c40s+ despite our overwhelming numbers because they kept rebuying and with updeclares we couldn't even manage to zero their planes & their ground, they even managed to zero a good bunch of us in the first round (including myself).
Do you think Hollywood would have won gw18 with the old planes-only meta ? My personal take is that probably not, or it would have at least been for sure significantly harder. -
47 minutes ago, Micchan said:
So you're saying that you can't beat Grumpy 1 vs 1 but at the same time you're saying that Grumpy will never fight without a backup, don't you see a contradiction in this? If they can't lose why should they be scared to fight alone?
No, I said that Blackwater or Rosesphere alone couldn't beat Hollywood in the high and whale tiers in 1v1, not Grumpy alone. Again what you're saying here is just complete nonsense, Grumpy would never fight alone if t$ or Rose blitzed them, the rest of Hollywood would help them.
47 minutes ago, Micchan said:Let's take Rosesphere, Rose and direct allies alone, how many c30+ there are?
4 Voodoo
6 CoA
2 ASM
11 Yarr
4 R&R
39 Rose
We're already at 66 nations, t$ is in a similar situation, Grumpy has 28
Hollywood has 78 c30s+ (19 TKR, 30 Grumpy, 25 Guardian, 3 tO, 1 BK) as well, that's more than Rose or BW.
But the problem isn't at all about c30+, using this as an argument is incredibly stupid, there is a huge difference between a c30 and a c40 nowadays. 85% of Rose and t$ whales are c30-35 while over half of Grumpy (about 15 nations) is c40+. You'd have a point with the old planes-only war meta, but with the new war meta that nerfed updeclares asf & boosted downdeclares, a 3 well-coordinated c40s can easily beat 6 c35s without any problem, this is one of the reasons why Hollywood beat Roasis Inc in gw18.
47 minutes ago, Micchan said:Give to Hollywood your numbers and we show you how to pin down Grumpy in 2 weeks
Let's be real, you don't have the balls to start a war where there's a little chance you could !@#$ up because you dubt of your competence even if in this game winning or losing means nothing, don't forget how it ended last time we had someone obsessed with winning at the expense of fun
It's not normal that it should take 2 weeks to pin Grumpy in the first place, and even in the best of the scenarios Blackwater or Rosesphere alone would never be able to fully pin GG with Hollywood. It's not about winning nor losing, it's about giving GG whales a beating they largely deserve after methodically beating the whales of the rest of the game one by one to take the edge. I already said it but literally the only way to properly beat GG right away is to have Blackwater & Rose collaborate together, do you find that normal ?
Do you think it's fun to be a whale not in GG and see your nation being rolled to ashes every single time you fight GG ? And then spend billions and billions to rebuild post-war while GG whales lose almost nothing and keep growing like weed ? Well, I can tell you that it's not.
47 minutes ago, Micchan said:Your CB is weak because you're weak mentally
I don't care much about FA stuff & justifications, I'm not into such bullshit. This war just has a logical purpose behind it that not only serves Blackwater & Rose interests but also the entire game which is to not have one group of alliances dominating the highest tier of the game and snowball until it's too late to stop them.
And eh, your CB in gw18 wasn't really much better ya know ? This was quite literally an attempt at dogpiling Rosesphere, you had more numbers + blitz advantage + militarization advantage + overall competency. The war at the very beginning before Oasis & half of Mystery joined was nowhere near fair.-
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9 hours ago, Micchan said:
But no, better put together the two strongest sphere in the game and start again another dogpile that means nothing, will change nothing, and will bore everyone
Starting a war where I have the 95% chance to win? Pure horror, I must have 101% because in this game is so important to win, how can an alliance survive if they don't win every war?
A lot of new players join this game every month, can we show them that this game can be fun? I know it can but I'm starting to forget it
You're missing the whole point of this war here. We are dogpiling you (read : Grumpy) to rebalance the game and I think we already argued enough about how a 1v1 against Hollywood is pure suicide & pretty much guarantees another dogpile in favor of Grumpy where they would be *again* untouched. You want fair wars ? Sure, you may not believe it but me too. Just start by not allying alliances with an incredibly strong whale tier unkillable in 1v1 "fair" sphere wars then ?
You're asking for fair wars but you are one of the main reasons we can't have fair wars currently, that's quite paradoxical. The ""short and fair"" wars that Ronny promotes are utter bullshit which only benefits Grumpy, basically roll & destroy all your opponents in the space of 2-3 weeks then go back home. Yay, fair wars !-
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9 hours ago, Micchan said:
Then challenge Grumpy alliance vs sphere upper tier only, both BW and Rosesphere have the numbers to take them down, they will accept and they only have NAPs so no one is forced to join
Wtf is that bullshit lmao, Grumpy would never fight alone without Hollywood backing them up. Are you that desperate trying to look for arguments to support their cause ?
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32 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
Now maybe you can address that despite your stated hatred of dog piles, you are currently involved in one, which just seems weird.
Dogpiling GG is the only way to stop GG from dogpiling all the other non-GG whales and possibly allow the rest of the game to catch up Grumpy after 18 months without you losing pixels. After dogpiling all your potential enemies in the past 3 wars, including us in gw16, you aren't really in a position to criticize any of us for dogpiling you in reprisal.
It's sad we had to come to this, but that wouldn't have happened if GG (mainly Grumpy) didn't gather so many whales/megawhales in the first place which strongly influenced the recent global wars outcome then snowball etc, I already argued about that.
Take it however you want but I never wanted to dogpile Hollywood and I actually feel quite bad for TKR/tO/BK being rolled/dogpiled again and again over the past year (and I have absolutely nothing against them), I'm just here for Grumpy. -
46 minutes ago, Micchan said:
I wish this was possible but in the last 5 years or something the only people who had the balls to take us in a fair fight with similar numbers are our current allies
Ah yes, Grumpy and Guardian, your best non-dogpilers allies. I also remember gw16 being a nice totally fair war where GG definitely did nothing wrong. After all we are the big bad meanies who hit them unprovoked right ? GG is way too respectable to plan dogpiles.
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4 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
Pixel hugging? per Dryad, you have fought one war since the IQ war not including this one. We have fought in every major war, we put our pixels where are mouth is, we have been rolling out in shorter more frequent wars, to the point that some of our allies wanted out so they could take a breather and regroup. Grumpy has taken off one major global in it's entire history, and that was the 2nd war that rolled out after we formed, which was when we were about 12-15 members and before your nation even existed. Can you say the same Pascal?
When you fight Pascal, have you really focused on contributing to your side's success, or have you focused to enriching yourself thru raiding? Looking at your nation it seems to be more on the other side of things.
Just out of curiosity, what constitutes losing pixels to you? Do we need to win a war where we get ZIed? I generally take around a billion in damage every war, which is enough to rebuild 80 cities to 2k infra, or 200 cities to 1.5k infra. so I alone am taking damage equal to 4 20 City nations or 20 10 city nations. and these are wars we win, so how much should I be taking to make you happy?
I like how you have so little arguments that you have to rely on Dryad to find one that suits you. My points were about Grumpy (which you of course all ignored, lol) but if you want to talk about Eclipse and me, sure, let's talk about it a bit.
Dryad doesn't know anything about in-game politics or how it works behind the scenes, he's just a raider after all. Qualifying Eclipse of pixelhuggers because we didn't get the occasion to fight a war (until now) is just stupid on his end. But you SRD, as a leader, you probably know that you can't start wars at anytime whenever you want either, in particular when you're in a sphere (and I'm not the kind of person like you who goes for dogpiles because "why not ?" either). If it makes you feel better, Eclipse proposed it's help to t$ for gw17 and we would have happily fought in defense of Quacksphere at the time, however t$ didn't require our help so we didn't push as they were fine with us not involving.
I don't really understand why you are insisting on my raiding past either (which was during the Arrgh & Mythic days). There is literally nothing shameful in being a raider before lmao. I'm now completely dedicated to Eclipse and yes, I put my side & my alliance interests above my personal interests. You don't seem to know anything about me anyways (it feels like you only learned of my existence 3 days ago lol) so who even are you to judge me ?
And jesus, I literally just proved how stupid your last paragraph was just 2 days ago in the same thread wtf, stop bringing it back. 1 billion is literally nothing at your scale. IIRC, I took about 2.5 billions damages in gw16 alone, and I was only a c34 with 2700 or 3000 infra/city at the time. Can you say the same, Ronny ? Rhetorical question of course.
4 hours ago, Hodor said:Being a douchebag to people unprovoked is not going to make you many friends or gain you much respect. At least you didn't just downvote me and leave though, so baby steps I suppose.
Regardless, you've misunderstood the point of my post and have wrongly assumed I was making some sort of rebuttal or novel argument. I was instead trying my best to distill the arguments already made as I thought they were contradictory. I've no idea where your anger came from, but you did bring some new points so I'll do my best to address them below.
No one in this game wants any one dominating any tier. You've misunderstood me.
Because a tier has utility doesn't mean it is the most effective. I would guess that most people would concede that the mid-tier is the most effective tier to control, but I could be mistaken. I'll update and say the whale tier is certainly more effective than the tiny-tier, but I don't think that was ever in doubt.
Harpooning whales has always been hard, perhaps it's harder now, however that's not the point I was making. Three c35 nations can take a c45 down in 2 rounds. You'll need numbers and coordination, but that's not changed.
I know I'm not going to convince you that the previous three wars Grumpy fought in weren't dogpiles, but let's at least acknowledge that is nowhere near universally agreed upon.
The second part of this paragraph is confusing because I didn't actually specify which part of the CB was hypocritical... you seem to have assumed it was the dogpile? You know what they say about assuming... I was referring to the "Grumpy is consolidating the whale tier" part of the CB which has been used consistently each time t$ musters up the will to hit us.
Again, you are a very either passionate or barbarous person to be so unnecessarily antagonistic and insulting in an online forum about a fake game. It might benefit you to take a walk, do some yoga, etc. before you respond to a very bland post with such gratuitous rage.
I'm at least glad (and surprised) that unlike some blind TKR simps or SRD, you recognize some of my points (and actually read my posts, which SRD doesn't seem to do). Now i'm not going to come back to those points because I more or less agree with you.
I answered to your post in the first place because it was quite obvious that you were trying to delegitimize our reasons for this war using the classic "you're hypocritical" argument (at this point you can just use this one every war tbf) and purposefully trying to reduce the weight Grumpy has in the game. It's pretty clear to me for several reasons that I mentionned in my three previous posts that the victim and "GG isn't OP" narrative your alliance tries to spread is utter bullshit, and GG has absolutely no right to complain about being dogpiled currently after all they have done in the past year and a half.
For these reasons, I'm not sure why you're expecting me to be friendly with someone like you in an alliance like Grumpy, who supports a cause that I know is wrong and way more hypocritical than ours. You judge me by my words, I judge you by the actions of the alliance you defend. The actions of your alliance do not deserve the slightest empathy. As for the aggressiveness, it's not like your side was crystal clean and never insulting/trolling either, so welcome to the internet I guess ? Thanks for the advices, but I don't need them.
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1 hour ago, Hodor said:If I may so briefly capture the general layout of this argument to understand the issue:
1. Grumpy's consolidation of the upper tier poses an enormous threat to other alliances because of the difficulty in defeating them in war.
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2. Grumpy only participates in the beginning of wars because they quickly win their tier and then are out of the range of everyone else.
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3. This means they can rebuild faster and be ready for the next war which... will only last 1-2 rounds for them (see point 2)
Yes, congratulations, it took you long enough to realize it. It's already a miracle that we've been able to get this far. You have to see it to believe it.
1 hour ago, Hodor said:SO
4. Grumpy is only a threat to the upper tiers of other alliances.BUT
5. Consolidation of the upper tier is the least effective tier to consolidate, because you cannot control the lengthiest and most consequential part of the war and often run the risk of building yourself out of range and effectiveness.
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6. Upper tier consolidation really is just a bogeyman, mid-tier consolidation is (and has always been) where you want to be strongest. You can coordinate to harpoon whales, your range of nations you're able to declare on is largest, and competence is most valued and observable here.
Not at all, no one in this game wants a group of alliance dominating literally the highest tier of the game . And i'm not talking about just Blackwater or Rose but literally everyone that isn't Hollywood, in case you didn't realize.
Furthermore, It's far from being the least effective tier to consolidate. In GnR, Grumpy dominating the whale tier allowed HW's high tier to recover which then allowed HW's mid tier to recover. Again, snowball effect. Without Grumpy, Hollywood would have surely never been able to win GnR (unless Roasis Inc does an unimaginable massive throw).
Another important aspect to take into account is that contrary to what some people seem to think, the new war meta buffed whales asf, updeclares have been nerfed and downdeclares buffed. A c45 is several times stronger than a c35, because you can take advantage of your superior military and switch between ground attacks in some wars and dogfights in others to pin your opponents. Unless we are completely outnumbering 3:1 or more you like in the current war, it's almost impossible to drag and pin your megawhales down if they keep rebuying. In fact, I do think that the combinaison of Rosesphere+Blackwater is literally the only possible way to beat Grumpy, since Mystery and Oasis whale tier is way weaker and their megawhales non-existent.
You're purposely underestimating your own strength just to fit your own narrative, vainly. GW18 is the living proof of the huge impact Grumpy can have on a war despite only being whales. So, you can either recognize that Grumpy is way too strong and basically destroys any kind of fairness in 1v1 sphere wars in the whale tier which then snowball on the entire war, or you can stay in denial like TKR.
1 hour ago, Hodor said:7. Other alliances want to have upper tier consolidation so that their whales don't continually get stomped by Grumpy, so they are pursuing it through continual wars with Grumpy using hypocritical CBs.
Hypocritical ? Are you kidding me ? Is this coming from someone in an alliance that dogpiled thrice in a row, and where most of the whales almost haven't lost any pixel for 18 months straight now ? Seriously, you are the one being hypocritical here. Do you really think the rest of the game would allow you to dogpile their whales forever and never do anything about it ? If you are really thinking what you just said here, you are really pathetic my dude, just saying. I could even bet that I singlehandely took more damages in gw16 (1 war) when you dogpiled us than some Grumpy megawhales did in gw15, gw16 & gw18 combined (3 wars).
42 minutes ago, Micchan said:BUT
8. If you attack Grumpy with a large coalition even if you manage to ZM them you have a lot of small nation that they can raid and make enough to pay for the infra you destroyed
You're welcome.
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27 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:Tell us all how you really feel.
POV : you have no counter-argument
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7 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:So I looked, and last war we took over 50 billion in damage 3rd highest on our side with TKR taking a ton of damage, and E404 just ahead of us by about 500 million. The damage we ate worked out to about 1.2 billion per member. The Quack war, we took less, around 31 billion over around I believe 35 members which would have been just under 900 million a member. As compared to Rose who took the most damage at 70 million over 140 nations. which are two wars we won. You guys act like we get away free and clear on these things. Generally the only alliances on our side that take more damage than us are also significantly larger than us.
This argument is so worthless and so stupid for so many reasons that it becomes laughable at this point. I'm no FA man, so i'm not going to write a 5000 words well-written essay showing you how dumb you are, as t$ is doing that well enough already. So i'll just come and destroy your examples with what I know best, maths.
You compare Grumpy and e404, and that they have both taken about 50 billions damages in GnR, which is true. But you forgot to mention, mind you, that Grumpy peacetime daily income is 1.8 billions/day whereas e404 daily income is of "only" 500M. Which means that it takes e404 almost 4 times longer to recover from GnR than it does for Grumpy. 1.2 billion per member in GnR ? 900 millions in DH ? Lol, that's peanut for whales, your members make 60-70 millions per day on average, that's not even 3 weeks of income to recover from a global war.
Using absolute values to justify yourself is just stupid in every single way possible, if you use relative values or ROI, your damages taken are basically nothing compared to others alliances. I see that you didn't mention gw15 either, since i'm guessing your damages taken there are at an all time low.
So right, all Grumpy did since the end of NPOLT was dogpiling not once, not twice, but thrice in a row in the whale tier (gw15, gw16 & gw18), basically destroying any sort of concurrence every war (tCW in gw15, t$ in gw16, Rose in gw18) and snowball from there. The results of this snowball effect are today very clear, since GG holds alone about half the megawhales in the game.
But right guys, let's not forget that "t$ man bad" and "Rose man bad" for dogpiling you once now. It's obviously t$ and Rose's fault if they are behind Grumpy to this day after all, right ? I'm amazed how your group of dogpilers/pixelhuggers whales even somehow convinced people like @Dryad that Grumpy is a "warmongerish" alliance. Lol.
tl;dr : You are a fatuous pixelhugger, and a dogpiler.
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Condolences to all parties involved
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16 hours ago, EliteCanada said:
I honestly can't believe that spies are still allowed to kill such a large amount of tanks WITH 1 SPY AT 50% ODDS (a bit less if the defender has covert, but this is nullified by arcane), and that underdog mechanics are still so disgustingly OP. Are these not considered problems, or might they be addressed later?
"Why can't I dogpile my opponents without taking damages the entire war this is so unfair *sobs*"
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Cool but I don't recall anyone asking
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Just now, Wingawoo said:
Not this time bud
I stopped counting the number of times Nokia said that a long time ago.
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See you back in 2 weeks
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Posted · Edited by Pascal
I'm not denying this nor think this is altruistic of course, as I said this nap benefits everyone but GG imo.
I'm not disagreeing with you here either. As you say, NAP or not wouldn't change much, it's just some sort of extra security for us. I didn't mean to quote you to blame you specifically if that's how it felt (I could have just quoted anyone else who said that the NAP was proposed by BWR), it's just that making it look like Bollywood coalition are the bad pixelhugger guys advocating stagnation or whatever bs has been said (not from you) or might be said on this thread for coming in the peace negociations with a 3-month NAP term is eh for all the reasons I mentionned in my previous post.