[peace talks]

So, reading this thread tells me one thing:

Disband. Everybody disband.

[peace talks]

Col A and Col B leadership all want to join Fark. This is their protest over not being allowed to join fark, in the hope that the hand of friendship will be extended towards them.

[[Treaty] Among other things.]

I'm not sure you can surrender without talking to the people you're surrendering to

 

[What did Clarke Do?]

Since you're saying it, I can indeed confirm that he must have done nothing right. Whoever he is.

[The South Has Risen Again]

Good luck, your last alliance tried to merge with ours and then got couped.

[RNN: Fall of the Fallen Angels]

OFA leadership never did strike me as the best in the world.

[ANN - Ghost Ships and Magic Treasure!]

What I'd like to know is exactly what people think that they have to gain by attacking random former nova members, whether or not they were in gove it really doesn't matter. The fact is, this came as a surprise to us all, I was informed about it by Inst and I'm pretty sure that everybody who was not banned was informed about it in a way that was not Pooball telling them what was going on in a shady backroom meeting. People attacking former nova members are not attacking people who decided to cheat, they are attacking people who are attempting to move on from an alliance that for many has been home for months collapsing in a matter of 2 days, for reasons tthat they could never have predicted. It's neither right nor just to ever drive innocent people out of a game.

[ANN - Ghost Ships and Magic Treasure!]

Seeker, if I was going to spend time making up lies to slander people with, I would pick a considerably better target than you. I have nothing more to say to you, because I don't want to get into flaming territory.

[ANN - Ghost Ships and Magic Treasure!]

Hello everyone,

 

I know this has been shared publicly, so I thought it best to apologise now. At the time of the cheating being exposed, I made several comments on the Nova discord implying that I either didn't care about the cheating or endorsed it. Had I known about the scale of what was going on, I would not have made these messages, as being unable to see screencaptures I thought it was a small amount, and people were making something of a fuss over nothing. Knowing what I know now, my reaction would have been very different.

I do not endorse the actions of Pooball and anybody else who may have participated in, aided, or knew about the cheating while failing to report this, and I am sorry that I made these prior statements regarding a situation I fundamentally misunderstood, at a time when I was highly stressed in politics and war.

[Guilt by association?]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

No.

First, setting up a voice chat everytime someone wants to verify would be extremely tedious and inefficient. I have no intentions of setting a precedent that that is an acceptable form of verification.

Second, it's not like by hearing their voices I can confirm their RL identities. If I had a multi, it would be pretty trivial to bug my brother to get onto a Discord voice chat and say a few words to clear me.

These reasons are why the Verification system is set up as it is, and why we require multiple Verifications (again, it would be pretty trivial to buy a friend to take a picture so I could get away with my multi account. It's less trivial to have them do it multiple times at regular intervals.)

 

I've got lots of pics of my boyfriend, I'm pretty sure I have enough to verify. Do I get a multi?

[Guilt by association?]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Again, it's optional. I don't like the process either, but some people really want to play with their families and friends on the same network without any restrictions. Short of requiring more personal information (a copy of government issued ID, credit card information, etc.) a picture is relatively simple and works.

And again, it is optional. No one has to do it. Two or more people can play the game, from the same network, without ever being Verified. However, if you do so, you can't help each other. You can't trade with each other. You can't use alliance banks to send funds to each other. You can't do anything that would allow a person with multis to gain an advantage from.

So if I was to set up a voice chat with both parties and you, would that set your mind at ease they're not the same person? Pictures can be messed with but I don't know anybody with the gift of being able to speak with two voices at the same time.

[Guilt by association?]

Not gonna lie, I find the verification procedure seriously concerning from a data protection standpoint. With how easy it is to find waaaaaaay too much information than I'd be comfortable sharing with someone I didn't know from a picture, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect people to provide several pictures of themselves.

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Verification is optional. No one is required to be Verified, even people playing on the same network. However, if you're not Verified, you have to follow the Game Rules, which strictly state no form of helping / aiding / trading / etc. is allowed.

Generally, no. I understand that alliances distribute funds and have policies wherein funds are taxed and redistributed and whatnot.

However, using alliance banks as a workaround to avoid the automatic trade restrictions is a violation of the rules. And we know from the screenshot that they were working together to help each other, while on the same network, un-Verified.

It would have been impossible for him to do it himself given the automatic restrictions. Unless you're Verified, you'll get an error message if you try to withdraw funds from an alliance bank to another nation on your same network. They used a middleman nation to run the transactions because he wouldn't have been able to do so himself. And from the screenshot, we know exactly what the intention was.

Have Pooball and Blink merged in the months between enitially verifying then?

[Guilt by association?]

1 minute ago, Dio Brando said:

Them being a multi is irrelevant. Being unverified and circumventing trade limitations and this action's status as breaking the rule does not depend on your status as a multi, merely on your being on the same net-work.

For the majority of the time they're not on the same network though, only when they're at work, so it's the being a multi that'important here.

[Guilt by association?]

Why would he have gone through the whole act of asking his other discord account for a loan if they were the same person?

[Guilt by association?]

1 minute ago, Inst said:

We've shown that Poo was asked to grant the loan by Blink in the screenshot given.

Fair, I can't view screenshots

[Guilt by association?]

1 minute ago, Dio Brando said:

If it was put through a middle-man, it remains almost the same deal, really. 

How do you know that Pooball had anything to do with the granting of the loan? He might have known nothing about it before seing the bank log.

[Guilt by association?]

He got a city loan...this is hardly money laundering, it's a city loan.

[Guilt by association?]

If you're going to ban anyone who received any money from Nova, you might as well ban all of nova, all recent members of Nova, and likely much of TF also. Since Nova participated in chaos operations using the stolen money, if you'd like to be really safe I recommend banning all of chaos as well.

 

Oh wait, that's ridiculous? I know it is.

Your verification procedure is awful, I will not sugarcoat it. I couldn't do it, nobody with any sight impairments could do it, and not going to lie, anybody who for very legitimate reasons doesn't want to share a personal picture with someone they don't know couldn't do it. I'm very willing to set up a voice chat with Alex, Blink and Pooball if all parties wish to prove that they're not the same person should you want that.