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2 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

oh about that...  Article 36-4, which was not included in the public announcement states that when you Kev, ask about the treaty ending, it activates and we become full time allies with Ro$e.

Sounds about right.

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On 5/24/2022 at 6:26 PM, BigMorf said:

"The Peace in our Times Agreement"

 

Preamble: In the interest of peace and mutual understanding, the two parties of Hollywood and Celestial enter into this agreement. Recognizing that at this time there is no Casus Belli between the two parties and as such in an effort to avoid a needless and causeless war, the two parties agree to enter into a mutual agreement of demilitarization. 

Article 1: The two parties, effective of the update of today, May 25th, in game time will demilitarize to the following MMR: 1/3/5/0 with the option for voluntary but not required 1 drydock per city based on the individual alliance's standard peacetime MMR. 

Article 2: Nations below c10 whose primary income source is raiding will not be affected by the limit of barracks in the standard MMR of this agreement and will be allowed a MMR of 5/3/5/0 or 5/3/5/1. 

Article 3: During this period of demilitarization in the face of the current ongoing global conflict, the parties pledge to come to the aid of the other if one party comes under the attack of a sphere that is already militarized. 

Article 4: This agreement will expire once the current spheres already engaged in hostility have rebuilt and returned to a standard peacetime MMR. 

Signed, 

Hollywood Sphere Leadership

Celestial Sphere Leadership

Since the term in article 4 has been satisfied, is it safe to declare that this treaty is null/void/expired?

[[PEACE] Time is up. (Clock vs The Backrooms)]

Where is Bourbon's signature?

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8 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

I didn't realise people actually put much stock in downvotes 🤷‍♂️

I would say the comments made by folks in Back Room, Johnsons, Haunted in the OWF and in Discord are an even bigger indication that they are troubled by this move - Mayor added the fact that this is one of the most downvoted threads in the history of Orbis as a cherry on top of the main point that this move isn't just Clock bellyaching.

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3 hours ago, Bucca of the Marish said:

I fully support this treaty and believe it's an excellent idea and I still downvoted Morf. Everybody was doing it I just wanted to be popular.

Don't take forum reactions as gospel.

Yes, I see you downvoted him 3 hours ago…after this new narrative that the downvotes are actually upvotes. I also see you posted 3 hours ago about how downvotes are upvotes….

@Adrienne I get trying to own the downvote thing as a meme and spinning it into a positive to save face, but to double down on it seems a little weak.

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2 hours ago, Shiho Nishizumi said:

They aren't. Neither are the loud Clock people that make up the overwhelming part of that "community backlash" you're talking about.

It’s not just Clock. It’s Haunted Mansion, it’s Back Room and also Johnsons. IE: the rest of the game.

Look at the replies/reactions in the related threads. Right or wrong, it is fairly easy to see that the rest of Orbis (outside of HW/Ro$e) are miffed by this treaty.

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26 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

This is completely 100% false.

We had talks to back each other up in case BK and Friends hit either of us during the war or during rebuild.

Edit:  There were talks well BEFORE Surfs Up (?) to tackle both BK and NPO when they were still tied together, but one leader backed out so we scrapped the idea.

I wasn't referring to the talks prior to Surf's Up - I was referring to the discussions that we had starting day 1 of Surf's Up.

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19 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

So we definitely got our wires crossed a bit here. I was under the impression you were saying we always planned to immediately hit BK after, like those ridiculous rumors that IQ was circulating at the time, hence the strong '!@#$ that noise' response.

I don't remember it starting on day 1 but I do remember that it wasn't very long into the war that we started hearing rumors about BK wanting to hit us and were bringing up those concerns. And then when BK immediately launched into Nova after that whole scandal broke, that was another red flag because they didn't waste anytime at all with that and I can't remember if we thought this at the time but retrospectively, it seems like they were baiting us with that hit. Like you said here though, I'm pretty sure we were just discussing what to do in the event there was more substantial evidence (iirc Buor was trying to get hold of some more info) and nothing was definitive until those logs dropped from what I remember. And then it was go time.

Naw fam, those rumors were hot garbo.

Yeah, we started talking about hitting BK day 1 of Surf's Up - it was like the first convo in our group chat  Good times, good times.

To get back to the topic at hand:
The point borg is making with the chaining comment is that it has happened before with several wars and folks that are now condemning it - were fine with it. We received the “fake war” BS criticisms that NPO spewed and we (including TKR) defended chaining as just a part of the game and that the criticisms against it were weak (BK and friends complained about it in Dial Up & Rose and friends complained about it in GnR)

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26 minutes ago, Shiho Nishizumi said:

Can't speak for Chaos' plans, but for KETOGG, part of SU was because it was deemed to be the most feasible war as we couldn't convince Chaos to tag along for a hit. They were also seemingly caught by surprise with that war.

People in KETOGG most certainly didn't go into it expecting a follow up war on BK. 

We didn't go into it expecting a war. But Day 1 of the war KETOG and Chaos discussed hitting BK (even before the logs dropped), as I put in my post.

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45 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

This is not true. We only considered hitting BK after the logs broke. You personally may have wanted to hit them regardless but there was never a plan to hit them prior to those logs leaking. The group chat that existed iirc was to discuss peace up until the point the logs leaked.

I get it was a long time ago, so I don't fault you for not remembering. But a little strong of you to go straight to a "this is not true"  We considered hitting them before the logs broke. I can provide screenshots if it's alright with the people that were in the group DM with us.

I'll try and help the ol' memory. There was a fear of BK hitting ahead of the log leak - which is why we were a bit miffed when KETOG hit us. The day the war kicked off we all talked about using the war as a potential smokescreen in case those rumors ended up being true, and also discussed the possibility of just hitting them based on what the situation was. (The rumored NPO/BK connection) Granted - now looking back at the logs (you had me second guessing myself lol) - it wasn't set in stone, but there were certainly discussions of all of us hitting BK & friends day 1 of Surf's Up.

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14 minutes ago, Kyubnyan said:

Fair enough point you made with GnR but comparing it to NPOLT is absolutely ridiculous IMO. A white peace was declared and Chaos and KETOGG declared on BK and TCW because of leaks that were found out while Surf's Up was happening. If you are legit spouting the same BS that NPO did about a "fake war" to lower infra before declaring on them then I don't even know what to say to you tbh.

It has nothing to do with a “fake war” - but I can tell you that the plan the whole time was to hit BK right after Surf’s Up. Surf’s Up was a way to curb boredom and also show what a minisphere-vs-mini sphere war would look like. That was all real, there is nothing fake about that.

With that said - as soon as KETOG hit there was a chat between Chaos and KETOG leadership about smacking BK & friends - even without the logs (NPO came in later)

The point borg is making with the chaining comment is that it has happened before with several wars and folks that are now condemning it - were fine with it. We received the “fake war” BS criticisms that NPO spewed and we (including TKR) defended chaining as just a part of the game and that the criticisms against it were weak (BK and friends complained about it in Dial Up & Rose and friends complained about it in GnR).

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15 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:

You mean our ex-allies, who most of you advocated (for an extended period) should be left to their own devices rather than "Be tS vassal states" because they'd "Form a dynamic new sphere", and who you then proceeded to roll to shit, ending in the disbandment of an alliance I personally quite liked? I don't think that's something you can, in any way, pin on t$. Seems to be the same lack of foresight as you had with pushing t$ to stop trying to slow the whale growth of HM/HW.

You live by the day. Which is fine. t$ now conforms to your ridiculous playstyle. One which I frankly find disgustingly boring. I don't blame WANA for that- he does not have much of a choice from where I am sitting. The alternative is being rolled and catching the  feces you lot conjure up from thin air cyclically.

Come with a more interesting political prospect than what i've seen from you since NPOLT, and both I personally and t$ in general will happily see if we can help make it a reality. Or you can keep trying to force your flavorless, empty husk of a minisphere ideology on us and watch grumpy race away laughing to the C60 mark.

 

 

 

Your choice.

I want to make sure I understand, since I am but a lowly Johnson.

I thought you previously claimed that the formation of Celestial was to counter the GG high-tier stranglehold - but this whole time it was Clock who convinced t$'s allies to dip? 

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17 minutes ago, Vice said:

So now we only play by what you deem as healthy. Maybe I think chaining is unhealthy. Maybe it’s the catalyst for all this? Just a thought. 

From reading the OP, it appears that Keegoz is calling out the hypocrisy of the people now decrying chaining wars (and using said outcry to justify this bloc-to-bloc MDP) when they were the ones who called for it in earlier wars.

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Best of luck to whatever adventure awaits you outside of Orbis

[(This thread is scary to Hollywood and Celestial)]

13 hours ago, Velyni Vas said:

 

I love this Clock because of it's length, girth, and stiff stature. 

I like this Clock. It is a Johnsons worthy Clock

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18 minutes ago, BigMorf said:

I'd like to thank the academy. Happy to be apart of such a community engaging and innovative moment for our community. 

I'd like to thank Hollywood and Celestial leadership for letting me post this inspiring piece of news. 

I'd like to thank all of my fans in clock. 

I'd also like to thanks all of my fans in Backrooms, Johnsons, and all around the Orbis Community. 

They told me it couldn't be done, but here we are. 

I will accept this Award. 

I have always believed. 
 

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1 minute ago, Kiloist II said:

Oh yeah? Mr. Johnson, I saw you eyeing the Newman’s. Explain yourself.

Mr. Newman put his lawn clippings in my backyard

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7 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

Writing this just to make sure that people understand this is a meme post and not something actually considered nor agreed on.

It appears that The Johnsons is the only bloc left with honor.

Truly a shining example of what a hegemony should be.

#JohnsonsAreRising

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18 minutes ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Did Kev ask me something? I've been busy with work, I might have missed a notification in there somewhere. @Kevanovia what did you ask me, mate? I'd never ignore my adoring fans.

He had the quoted message in the message you just responded to for your convenience. But as you are busy and are unable to read the full posts you are replying to, I will post the question again:

13 hours ago, Kevanovia said:

 

This does set a bad precedent. Your argument is "well..it's not bad if there is nothing to worry about" - then why not do it every war? Then it effectively becomes acceptable for blocs to have MDP's with one another going forward in every single war when they aren't the first ones attacked. 

I've asked this question in several settings and have yet to receive an answer. It appears that everyone seems to be busy at the same time when this question comes up. Hopefully you can get some free time to read folks' complaints/thoughts on your recent move. With the additional context - perhaps your (and your kin's) rhetoric trying to justify said move will be able to address the concerns directly going forward.

 

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3 minutes ago, alyster said:

War torn? Are you kidding me? Low infra high tier nations down declaring against unarmed nations with full infra and peace time builds. For stat padding. That's how it would work. 

We all know and have seen how effective smaller force has been at such strikes. KT has shown that in this game time after time again. 

 

The problem with your 'stat padding' rhetoric, is that Clock is one of the most vocal critics of stats meaning much. They argue against looking at stats defining wars. So your argument falls on deaf ears when you claim the reason for any of their moves is 'stat padding'. 

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25 minutes ago, alyster said:

Relevance? All the critique here is that in a very tiny case two blocs will assist each other. On top of it Clock now keeps claiming that they had no plans to attack either one - so the mutual defense clause is pretty much useless anyway.

While at the same time half the people running their mouths about it were signing secret treaties to defend one or another bloc just little while ago.

There are several differences, but I will go over a very large one:

Quack had criticisms rooted in objective fact- they were the largest bloc in the game and were unable to be beaten by a single sphere. They were also openly hostile to Hedge Money, which led to teaming with Oasis to prevent an attack whilst trying to pressure Quack to break into smaller spheres.

Meanwhile in this situation- easily the two largest spheres (to the point where it would no longer be a contest to do a 1v1 against them with any other sphere) decide to sign a MDP to prevent a war torn (not to mention, a far smaller) bloc from hitting them.

 

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5 minutes ago, alyster said:

After the ammount of similar secret treaties you signed in CoL, it's hilarious you poke fun at this one being public. 

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6 hours ago, alyster said:

I am surprised by the ammount of butthurt here. For starters lets get to a point that this is not a secret treaty. Majority of the people crying over this here are from alliances who have had similar agreements left and right. No one just has posted them publicly. 
 

Secondly. Why does Clock think they get to keep doing double wars. Roll the Back Door, don’t rebuy infra and roll either Rose or HW while it’s cheap. Seems kinda boring.

So every time Clock does a war and they don’t declare on you, then that gives you a pass to do a “temporary bloc-to-bloc MDP”? 

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1 minute ago, Etat said:

I think there's enough recent irksome history between the various member alliances of Celestial and HW to discount any suggestion of an established MDP.  Anyway it is quite clearly a time limited arrangement for a specific and articulated purpose, that provides some clarity in what has otherwise been a very foggy situation of late.  Really you all seem to be just raging because you can, not because you should.

^This is a non-answer. You didn't dispute the point made, which is that this sets a precedent of doing these "temporary" MDPs going forward. The same such agreement that all of Orbis (your bloc included) was against when MINC and Oasis did it.

 

Side note: It is quite refreshing to be having actual debate on the forums again. 🍻