Kevanovia
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Atta way TP
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On 6/19/2025 at 10:05 PM, EpimetheusTalks said:
I was the one that proposed having a moderator lol. I suggested Lysander/Thalmor/Veins. Rose rejected them all and only agreed to do it if Kev helped them make a diss track xD. Bigger news servers have waded in to try and host the debate on their platforms and Rose has rejected them too. I only had one request which is that most of the audience should watch the livestream. If they'd rejected that in private we could have come to a compromise but instead they announced it would be on their favorite server and tried to pressure us into doing it. I agree with you that the debate should be fair and I don't think they're being fair. We shouldn't have to do it on their platform, with their moderator, and on their schedule without anything in exchange.
I've ignored the people saying I would silence Rose for a while now but it's become the main narrative. This argument is completely ridiculous for two reasons. (1) This was one of the first things we discussed and everyone gave assurances there wouldn't be meddling. If they don't trust my assurances I have no reason to trust theirs and we're at an impasse. (2) If it was hosted in Royal/OCN etc. then if I muted them they could open the VC and if they muted me I could continue on the livestream. However, more likely than not it would just end immediately.
If I want to say something I can say it. I wasn't going to participate in the debate to 'defend myself' lmfao. I was hoping to create some really cool content that I could share with the community and the biggest audience possible. I genuinely wanted to hear Rose's perspective and for both of us to challenge each others arguments and discuss the game's principles. This could have been a trust building exercise. I wasn't expecting to walk into an ambush and be berated for 2 hours straight but after seeing how this played out I suspect you're right and that's what it would have been. I'm kinda glad I didn't do it. Everything I've heard about what this debate 'should have been' from other people has been really unpleasant.
Once again, you reinvent the past in your head and repeat it enough where the only ones that will listen are those who don't know better.
I was the one that came forward and offered to hold a debate. You agreed to it in public & I approached Rose to see if they would be willing to do it. Rose agreed to debate if JKell made a track dissing you. (Something he has wanted to do for a long time, but I held him back because I was trying to make sure your feelings were not hurt) I gave the green light because I figured I could at least help you in your argument during the debate and you could maybe find the fun of the track and view it as political, ultimately being a net-positive for you. This was not discovered as some plot by you - I literally laid it out earlier in this thread.
Regarding hosting it on Media - In my original post (below), I mentioned it.
On 6/7/2025 at 3:22 PM, Kevanovia said:Would you like to defend Cam on a special VC debate with Rose? We would be willing to hold the event
I have a history of letting folks defend themselves & letting them talk - I was also one of the only people defending you in public & you would even quote my defenses of you in your arguments (regardless if one views it as sh**posting or not, you were using my defenses as your own).
The dishonest approach rooted in paranoia that you have taken throughout your time on Orbis (and continue to take) is very likely the reason you find yourself isolated.
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You're a good dude. No worries about the invites, we'll keep pestering you & you'll have even more opportunities to play lol
Good luck out there! You got this!
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Fremen is led by a good leader. Congrats for being in the AA
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12 hours ago, EpimetheusTalks said:
"I think it would generate more content and be longer lasting if I streamed it. The audience for the video will be non-existent if you push them all to discord. I get that you want to promote your news server but I have my own platform I prefer to operate on and I'd rather not take sides in the news wars."
I respect your choice to centralize your events on The Media's server. However, I think you also need to respect my choice to centralize my events on my Youtube channel. I was led to believe that it would be exclusively on my platform with just a shoutout for the news server that supplied a moderator. That is a concession to me which is why I offered Rose a bunch of concessions in exchange such as picking the time, choosing the moderator, sending as many ppl as they want, and letting diplomats from other alliances appear as guests if they stated which side they were on up front.
I trusted Rose to act responsibly on stream and to use the advantages they were given with grace. I expected the same trust to be placed in me. I've worked with Rose on several videos now and I've even avoided publishing some at their request. When Rose withdrew from the first debate proposed by Eclipse we didn't give them much grief over it and we expected to be treated with the same decency.
I feel like we're being held to a higher standard and being asked to make sacrifices that other people aren't willing to make. I'm not going to do that.
Tl;dr You're inviting me and I gave you a condition and you ignored it. Rose has refused to participate in debates before for much more trivial reasons so UNO REVERSE.
Again (as pointed out several times), you can do the event on your Youtube channel and still have the ability to debate on another server.
This whole 'concession' narrative is completely made-up as there were no concessions stated or made from your end, only that you were willing to debate Rose. I am the one that asked you what time you could debate, you said you were flexible (even then, I still asked if a specific time would work for you..which you said yes) - so to say you made a concession to that is absolute rubbish and misleading. (I would have been willing to change the time)
If anyone was making concessions, it was me lol. George originally said no, but conceded if I got JKell to agree to make a song about you (which I was against..you are welcome in advance...but I introduced George to him in order to make the debate work...) - so that was a concession. I had to make sure the timeframe worked for you and George - which I cleared with you....that was a concession (my time is also valuable). You actually made 0 concessions...literally 0. You made up " I offered Rose a bunch of concessions in exchange such as picking the time, choosing the moderator, sending as many ppl as they want, and letting diplomats from other alliances appear as guests if they stated which side they were on up front." - none of that is true/none of it was taken up by Rose.
...this all comes down to a simple line that you keep trying to duck/dive/weave on...you could stream while doing the debate. lol
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Whoa, Abdur looks like a familiar name from Planet Bob.
Congrats to your new line-up!
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21 hours ago, EpimetheusTalks said:
If you wanted to host it on The Media server you could have mentioned it in private and tried to convince me. Blindsiding me with the removal of the one thing I wanted out of this isn't acting in good faith. Neither is trying to pressure us. I messaged you in private against before replying in this thread and my concerns were brushed aside.
I'll still address all of George's points in my stream and there'll be an open Q&A for those interested. If George wants to participate in that too he can.
All of the debates/VC events I partake on are typically done in The Media (it's not like I'm new in this space...I literally have an in-game achievement for it), not really something that needs clarification.
"Blindsiding me with the removal of the one thing I wanted out of this isn't acting in good faith" - what? The one thing you wanted was to not be in a live VC debate while being in a live VC debate? Again, you're just throwing out random lines that have nothing to do with anything. You are free to livestream while you participate in the debate. According to you after the fact, you were planning on doing that anyway in your own private server. Literally no difference outside of you having the capabilities of muting the moderator as well as your debate opponent.
"I messaged you in private against before replying in this thread and my concerns were brushed aside." - Yeah and my response was "why can't you debate on Media and livestream?", which you never answered. Instead of answering, you came to the forums and made your post lol.
Unsure if your 'not acting in good faith' comment is directed towards me or a self-reflection?
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56 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
Just a reminder that people love to steal to further control ideas/intel/rss for their self praise. Especially to get a dead server like VGM where morf radio is held to cast again, tis a pity. Yall are welcome for the motivation on the otherwise 😉!!
There ya go big shooter, I edited the OP
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48 minutes ago, EpimetheusTalks said:
These were the terms we discussed. I purposefully made a lot of concessions in exchange for being able to stream the event. You didn't object to them or raise issue with it being streamed when we discussed the terms in private and I fit my schedule around yours.
You should have asked me about changing the terms before making a forum post. In light of this, I'll probably do an independent stream / QnA after your event and respond to any arguments made. Now there'll be two events instead of 1, very cool ^_^.
I'm looking forward to attending your event like the rest of the audience.
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What are you talking about? Our entire 'exchange' consisted of 'Rose vs Cam debate? Would this time work?" That's it lol So unsure as to where you're pulling the rest of 'discussed the terms in private' - you agreed to it on RON. After you agreed to it on RON the only question I asked in private regarding the debate prior to setting this up was "What time do you want to debate with Rose?" & your answer was "I'm flexible".
Feel free to livestream whatever lol no one is preventing you from doing that in this event - but if you're using this as a way to back out of your debate with Rose, that's rough buddy. As Lord Paramount of Camelot, I am quite disappointed with our King.
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Gorge vs Epi for a special Debate regarding the recent Camelot NAP-break Conflict. Join us at The Media June 19th @ 8PM EST.
This wonderful and original idea was born from the Camelot member, Firwof.
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Hatebi, you're a Mount Rushmore PnW player & an awesome human. Cheers to you.
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Dawwww, cute pupper.
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On 6/7/2025 at 4:04 PM, Firwof Kromwell said:
Let me consult w/ Cam gov 1st Joe Dirt incel wannabe 😉
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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51 minutes ago, EpimetheusTalks said:
We've offered to debate them several times, including at the encouragement of Eclipse and House Stark, and so far they have ignored us. If they want to take up the offer all they need to do is message me and we can organize a time.
If we were to hold the debate I would want to stream it, so the actual discussion would take place in a private server.
We'd be fine with Thalmor or Lysander moderating and giving a shout out to the news server where the link would be shared first. We don't really mind who Rose wants to represent them or how many there are so long as they're polite. I'm not sure Firwof would be a representative of ours since he's not a long term member or government. He could speak on behalf of himself as an individual if people are okay with that but if he or others veer into OOC we would ask for that to be quickly silenced by the moderators.
If other relevant diplomats want to join the conversation we'd be fine with that so long as they state their treaties up front and whether their alliance has supported the convention or not. This is so that new and future players can clearly delineate between the sides.
I think this would be a really cool community event perhaps ending with a poll on who won. I've no illusions that our opponents outnumber us but that does not diminish the entertainment value.
Before I forget, @Firwof Kromwellstop talking shit lmao.
I would be willing to moderate. I also have a rep from Rose willing to participate.
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1 hour ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
Now that's just pure hypocrisy if I've seen it. This is like giving consequences to someone who keeps relapsing as an addiction while denying they're an addict. Case in point, the repeat notion of yall using other ppl (pirate's) & even whole aa's (TFP/TI) to do each other's biding w/ no viable connections outside backrooming. Furthermore, yall haven't shown any ss of communication towards us nor any ss to disprove of so. This is Coal. A against Coal B. in NPOLT again, especially w/ what tfp pulled against us to push us around, even speculating to do so out of game.
Can't be a lack if evidence either when further evidence can easily be searched like Google via the forums for shit like this from Rose. Hell, look at the wars from this yr against Rose for backrooming. Plus, do yall see anyone else scrambling to gather ss & make videos for pnw like him? oh just mainly Thalmor when he feels like it? I challenge the cast around Thalmor Radio show to gather such evidence & refute live w/ us from Cam. If so, I'll definitely regress to take all the shittalk, ignorance, & down votes aka swallow my pride. Until then, stay mad, seeth, & cope harder my friends!!
Would you like to defend Cam on a special VC debate with Rose? We would be willing to hold the event
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TFP have repented for their NPO aspirations. @Shwin thank you for going back on the straight & narrow.
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From The Desk of the Lord Paramount of Camelot & Warden of Anti-Nefarious Groups
*Recognition of Injustice*
For far too long, Camelot—and many others—have endured the disproportionate influence and unjust treatment imposed by the major powers within Orbis. Across every corner of this virtual world, the same frustrations echo: stagnant politics, opaque foreign affairs, and widespread apathy. We dared to speak up, to challenge the status quo—and for that, we were made martyrs.
Some of our brightest rising stars have tried to trace the root of these issues (you might need ChatGPT to decipher their more impassioned findings). At its core, the problem lies with a self-appointed elite—a group cloistered in their Ivory Tower™, who monopolize political influence and make decisions in closed circles. When we called out this imbalance, we weren’t debated—we were dismissed, silenced, and discredited, as if the voices of the wider Orbis community didn’t matter. This time, they’ve gone too far.
Many will remember the Dial Up War—or, as it's better known among the uninformed, NPOLT—as a dark chapter, marked by some factions explicitly aiming to drive others out of the game and prolonging the conflict to achieve that. In the aftermath, alliances came together in good faith to establish a long-form Non-Aggression Pact and committed to resetting diplomatic relations, vowing never again to push communities out of Orbis.
And yet, here we are—five years later. The cycle repeats.
Flags Are Fairly Similar....
This is exactly why we preempted TFP. As our King Epi has made clear, they were the ones who broke the NAP—not us. TFP has had it out for Camelot for a long time, and this was simply the final straw.
After years of struggling to form a credible bloc, they've finally clawed their way into the inner circle. And now, unsurprisingly, they're using that influence to decide who gets a seat at the Orbis table—and who gets told to pack up and leave. Case in point: Ashwin998 of Schwinnland (or should we say Sch’lose’land? Right, @Firwof Kromwell? High five!) decided to spin up a private server, inviting a curated list of alliance leaders to privately discuss the “fate” of others.
'The Geneva Convention'
(And if you notice a familiar name or two from the list our junior reporter uncovered in another thread—well, just more coincidences... right?)
(This screenshot was taken shortly before Epi, King of Camelot & King of our Hearts, was booted from the server)
TFP were justly hit—just as others have been before them. Judgement Day, the Crusades, Drama Island, Hatebi Is Awesome—you name it. These moments are part of the political fabric of Orbis. But in response to their well-earned hit, TFP chose to escalate in a way we've never seen before: by attempting to expel Camelot from Orbis itself.
And that brings us to the core of this saga. Behold the premise of their server—
Not content with just lobbing unjust hits, they’ve now taken it upon themselves to silence us entirely. Apparently, even talking to Camelot is now a punishable offense. Imagine that—thoughtcrime, Orbis edition. Discourse? Dialogue? Diplomacy? Nope—get the torches. At what point does this stop being “justice” and start looking like a badly written conspiracy theory with a grudge and a Discord server? We gave a 3 week notice of exiting the agreement that was already broken. This is a fact that a select few choose to forget.
Look, I’ll admit it: during the Dial Up War, we didn’t exactly cover ourselves in glory. We hitched ourselves to the NPO/BK/GOONS/Pooolaris/Arcadia/Sphinx/Tagalongs. Not our finest hour. But since then, we’ve done what few alliances actually bother to do—we evolved. King Epi, myself, and others put in the work to rebuild Camelot into something better. We stopped being the villain. We picked up the shovel, did our time in the PR trenches, and rebuilt a kingdom people actually wanted to fight for.
But of course, that doesn’t matter to the Ivory Tower™ Elite, who seem to have discovered a sudden passion for cosplay—specifically, dressing up as the very regime they once claimed to hate. They throw around the word “justice” like it’s a hot new alliance, but what they’re really after is control. Power. And maybe a little attention and a security blanket for their precious pixels.
So here we are: Camelot, once again the heretic in a holy war of hypocrisy. And all because we dared to do something different.
Claims made by our confused Junior Reporter have been further verified with additional proof:
Spoiler
(ORGANIZING MERGERS, IMPACTING OTHERS. WITHOUT. ASKING.)
(MAKING CONTROLLED AND INFLUENCED COMMUNITY SERVERS. IMPACTING OTHERS. WITHOUT. ASKING.)
(MAKING DECISIONS TO DROP AND ROLL ANOTHER AA..while asking...BUT WITHOUT. ASKING.)
(MOVING A CONVO ALONG. MANIPULATING. WITHOUT. ASKING.)
(MAKING !@#$ES LISTEN TO HIM. WITHOUT. ASKING)
(TRICKING OBLIVION INTO SPY ATTACKS. WITHOUT. ASKING.)
A Gentle Reminder that Oblivion Is Double Protected By Cam.
New Pacifist Order
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5 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NujBXAsPOi72o25vN1yS6vXi5XfzdPZ7qJi8a88QKks/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.5hrodaykyq2z
Kinda looks I entombed myself multiple times on my word yet you still refused to acknowledge looking back, even putting forth my OWN explanation of objective while you kept pushing outside to your own sense of self onto others. Nothing wrong w/ questioning & mutually critiquing one, but enforcing opinion is a whole different matterIdk what that link is but it doesn't entail our complete DM history, nor does it make sense.
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11 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:
it was more than that, Ive been mulling it over for months, some shit for yrs. It just clicked to me w/ the Buck situation. Yall highlighted & associated to are very nasty ppl to be around. I am very forgiving & open minded to settle disputes, as per my reset relations to TKR & t$ or even individual like Rage, Epi, & Shore here. If yall just wanna play these mind games so be it but ya been on lock down. I still have our DMs tied away in my intel compound aside Shwinn as well. Aside putting out my word, im fighting on my word too then hiding away while using mercs & spies against ppl like myself which in a way is proxing throu others for your own means. 😉
Maybe, just maybe, the people you highlighted are the same people who have called you out over the years for harassing our community unprompted & your perception of 'nastiness' is just your inability to be able to accept responsibility for your actions of being an asshat.
Regarding DM's between us, feel free to reference any part of our DM history. It essentially consists of me reaching out to you to inquire on why you were so nasty towards the people in my alliance, to then consoling you in an effort to have you stop pestering myself and the folks around me.
Your obsession is unwarranted, unwelcome & ultimately unhealthy.
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So you took a list off of my nation page of the folks I have worked with in past alliances and came up with this?
Congratulations, you have figured it out: It's a Soup Kitchen world & y'all are just living in it.
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12 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:
AOE hittie cat rush, go go go.
I have been playing AOE while you were still in diapers.
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Oh hey! The merge finally went through
Congrats! Dope theme.
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For the longest time, thought you were just cosplaying a sensitive out of touch troll that was yelling at clouds to be ironic. Honestly thought it was funny.
However, seeing you make personal attacks on some very kind people makes it seem that the ridiculously embarrassing persona you have been displaying is legitimate. Pretty big bummer.
On the bright side: if what you said is true & you made your first million @ 32/happily married for so many years with wonderful children/live a fulfilling life, that should give a ton of hope to a lot of the younger players here. If you can pull that off while treating people like this and acting like you do, anyone can do it
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Old New Player returning
in Welcome & Introductions
Posted · Edited by Kevanovia
Welcome back!! Do you have a link to your nation? I want to commend you for making the return to Orbis