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    The Cataclysmic Failure of Swamp

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by Leftbehind

    22 minutes ago, Kiloist II said:

    Aurora and Weeb were their last picks. Ask them who they asked way back when they began building the sphere

    Don't have to ask, I'll tell. 

    TCW, &, Street, ASM, Legion, TLE, and others. As you can tell we got turned down more than a bed sheet which isn't shocking considering making a bloc isn't exactly easy. We didn't even approach Aurora or Weeb until outside parties told us too. Hell, we never had Eclipse until the 11th hour. Much or this is common knowledge like how we told Mystery that we wouldn't join after CAM left because of Fark. 

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    [DoW] I Mean It

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    12 minutes ago, LukeTP said:

    If you're not qualified to talk about something that does affect your alliance, how can you be qualified to talk about something that affects someone else's alliance?

    The basis that people are applying to whether it was reasonable or not to move to defend ourselves, is whether we should have assumed that part of a bloc militarising in readiness of hitting part of our bloc, was not a precursor to the entirely of that bloc from militarising to hit us. Friendly/fun/etc. wars are not without precedence (indeed i've been in a couple myself in the past), but when they were friendly/fun/etc. wars, they were discussed by both sides, rather than being forced by one on the other without any kind of context.

    On dogpiles, I cannot speak for others in MInc or elsewhere, but within TCW, we have been on both sides of a dogpile on many occasions in the past, and we have been clear that we think they are wrong, and more importantly, boring, regardless of which side of it you are on. We refused to join the war against HW earlier this year, when asked to enter, on the basis that if we did we would have been contributing to a dogpile. Facts simply do not support your fiction.

    I'm not from Oasis, i'm in TCW, therefore MInc. So my point stands.

    Thought you were in TI. Either way doesn't matter, if you guys wouldn't have signed the MDP you would be fighting two alliances not two spheres. 

    [DoW] I Mean It

    in Alliance Affairs

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    1 hour ago, LukeTP said:

    By that theory we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't. If we make the treaty public, we get slated for it. If we don't make it public and then trigger it after getting attacked, we get accused of holding secret treaties.

    The simple fact is, the war was going to happen regardless of the actions we did or did not take.

    Also, nothing was said of my point regarding the tier consolidation that your own side partakes in.

    Just gonna shine light on the fact that Oasis wouldn't be at war right now if it wasn't for them signing Mystery. It is also been stated much better elsewhere that the community will tolerate coalition building for Offensive wars but view private defensive treaties as a problem.

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    The Cataclysmic Failure of Swamp

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    19 minutes ago, Kiloist II said:

    They actually are not from before. They happened 2 weeks ago. Keep stretching though don’t need you hurting yourself as you try this marathon

    You sure they aren't the same ones from Sept Oasis gave to BW? If you have them show them. It doesn't hurt my feelings.

    The Cataclysmic Failure of Swamp

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by Leftbehind

    8 minutes ago, Mutedfaith said:

    Incapable of mind reading at least. How the !@#$ did you expect us to know half your bloc wouldn't roll out. 

     

    If it's even true, and not just a spin. 

    I dunno look at militarization levels followed by simple FA.

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    A Treatise on the Current War

    in Alliance Affairs

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    1 hour ago, Kaz said:

    Yea, I’ve been wondering the same.   After 2 1/2 years of analysis, I believe this means that certain forum spinners can DO anything and justify it with the same tired copy paste crap they spam here war after war.  I believe the DON’Ts refer to all of the things the rest of Orbis is prohibited from doing to respond.   But what do I know?  I’m just a game noob these days.  

    Perhaps there’s an answer in the meta?  

    Ah yes, the great wise meta. Praise be the meta! 

    The only reason I'm even mentioning this is that we are treating it as if it's unchanging. The reality is there is a huge part of Alliance Leadership that wasn't involved in KF or even NPOLT, so trying to pretend that there is some standard we need to follow is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when it's tied to a history lesson that no one cares about. 

    If you want to argue the CB or Rose actions, than argue it but quit going back to the grandpa Simpson rants about yesteryear. 

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    A Treatise on the Current War

    in Alliance Affairs

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    2 hours ago, Cooper_ said:

    The thing is that the politics of this game only works because we have certain agreements.  Without those constraints, we don't have a cohesive Orbis.  The fact that you lied isn't in itself extremely problematic, but it speaks to a larger trend of Rose that continually pushes the border of what is acceptable in the meta to its own interests.

    Rose was part of the coalition that established the precedent on secret treaties after all during KF.  Rose later decided it could do what it wanted.  Rose was a main pusher of the mini sphere narrative under Mhearl.  Rose has yet to enter a global war by itself.  We also have established norms of communication as people are generally expected to interact publicly and make arguments.  Rose is often nowhere to be seen on IC wavelengths.  Wars without a CB and actual grudge wars are often looked down upon.  Rose casts a legitimate war and CB as a grudge and then later comes in without a CB and on a grudge. 

    You then get bent out of shape when people have a reason to point out that you're not sticking to even the principles you set up beforehand.  You could probably even pull off the realpolitik if you had the gumption to attempt to defend your stances and accept the consequences.  But you don't do either, and you can't have your cake and eat it too.  

     

    Can you please do the whole world a favor and list all the do's and don'ts that you keep referring too? This way anyone thats wasn't playing 6 years ago can keep up. 

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    (RoHt) Orange Man bets on the Moon

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    31 minutes ago, Leopold von Habsburg said:

    No that isn't it at all? Not sure what you have been reading .

    What Wana posted really looks like it. Don't worry Leo we all know how brave you guys are. 

    I find it absolutely fascinating that t$ of all alliances complains about people talking shit when all they have done in public is smack talk anyone who doesn't hold their hands. Truly amazing. 

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    The Hollywood/Roasis War has concluded

    in Alliance Affairs

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    22 minutes ago, James Ironwood said:

    No, not for most of you, but there are a few I did want to point out as being unhappy with the White Peace. I really can't say why, but I assume it's because they wanted more war glory.

    The war was very well conducted on your end, and I congratulate you guys on what you were able to accomplish. It was good to have a competent foe!

    Being upset that it's a white peace isn't the same as having "bad blood". Most people I've heard whining about it wasn't even involved in the war or simply doesn't understand our philosophy on war which is short fun dust ups. Not these long, boring wars that make me want to go for a pack of smokes and never come back. 

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    The Hollywood/Roasis War has concluded

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Phoenyx said:

    A lot easier to fight a lot of wars if most of them are down declares.  I'm not saying I know all the reasons for the disparity, but I suspect this may be the main one. 

    You are talking about one tier and a group of nations that can only reach so low but completely neglecting the fact that there were missed opportunities in other tiers that if capitalized on would have completely pinned most of us down. 

    But by all means drink the kool-aid and make excuses.

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    The Hollywood/Roasis War has concluded

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, Phoenyx said:

    So it's fine when Hollywood does pr, but anyone critiquing them is "propaganda", got it. Bottom line, Oasis et al was right, Hollywood can only be dented with multiple spheres countering. 

    Ugh... that's not right at all. The fact that so many people cannot seem to figure it out is something else but the "stats" inflated by Whale damage is only part of what determines who can win or lose a war. 

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