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    War Awards Nominations

    in Orbis Central

    Posted

    I will make my nominations as well

     

    Alliance Categories:

     

    Best Fighters: TKR

     

    Worst Fighters: Cornerstone

     

    Most Surprising Entry: WTF

     

    Best PR: Pantheon

     

    Worst PR: BK

     

    Playmaker (In other words, who had the largest impact): TKR

     

    Most Improved: Hard to tell, I've missed the last two global wars

     

    Failed to Meet Expectations: NPO

     

    Best DoW: TKR on BK and CKD (https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19162-another-tkr-dow/)

     

    Best Blitz: TKR on SK

     

    Worst Blitz: Seven Kingdoms

     

    Player Categories:

     

    Best Fighter: Les Paul Supreme

     

    Most Friendly: Kurdanak

     

    Most Salty: Roquentin

     

    Best Rookie (for those who popped their war cherry): Bopolo

     

    Best Troll: Eumirbago/Jacob Moore

     

    Best eLawyer: Bourhann

     

    Community Categories:

     

    Best Post: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19131-the-war-so-far/page-3#entry318945

     

    Funniest Post: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19084-cat-sneaks-into-gov-chambers-declares-war/?p=317473

     

    Saltiest Post: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19131-the-war-so-far/page-20#entry320347

     

    Best Propaganda: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19106-propaganda-thread/#entry320655

     

     

    War Awards Nominations

    in Orbis Central

    Posted

    Alliance Categories:

     

    Best Fighters:

     

    Worst Fighters:

     

    Most Surprising Entry:

     

    Best PR:

     

    Worst PR:

     

    Playmaker (In other words, who had the largest impact):

     

    Most Improved:

     

    Failed to Meet Expectations:

     

    Best DoW: 

     

    Best Blitz:

     

    Worst Blitz:

     

    Player Categories:

     

    Best Fighter:

     

    Most Friendly:

     

    Most Salty:

     

    Best Rookie (for those who popped their war cherry):

     

    Best Troll:

     

    Best eLawyer:

     

    Community Categories:

     

    Best Post:

     

    Funniest Post:

     

    Saltiest Post:

     

    Best Propaganda:

     

     

     

     

     

    If you have any suggestions for other awards please post it with your nominations. Actual voting won't go up until war is officially concluded but before we get too far from actual start of war I want to start gathering some nominations. 

    Britannian Three for One Special

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by Alkaline

    Pretty sure people on your side have said it's perfectly fair to preempt if someone is sure to go in. Are you insinuating you wouldn't help Mensa based off the Zodiac hitthen? Since you said us and BK did it,  I assumed you referred to the wider conflict and not the opening of that front.

     

    Zodiacs cb for hitting mensa = to help BK from having to fight Mensa counters when they hit Rose

    BKs cb for hitting Rose = to help Zodiac from having to fight Rose counters when they hit Mensa

    Britannian Three for One Special

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    Durmij has been pretty vocally anti-NPO for quite some time. I'm not talking about just this war. He gave his rationale in this very topic that he saw us as screwing Rose and having zero empathy for their Syndisphere relations despite his own lack of empathy and Keegoz cleared it up. There was just too much irony about him saying we'll never have to sacrifice for anyone else when many of us did so for being allied to Rose in the past. His war wrap-up thing was pretty adamantly anti-NPO adding in all sorts of conspiracy theories(NPO out to dominate/swap out BK and VE). You're tied to Mensa who have always been antagonistic towards us and their open desire tor roll us before Silent wasn't a "vague suspicion"(per durmij) on our part. Alkaline(Pub)'s recent posts in the other threads have been pretty openly along the same lines as Durmij's. That's your gov.

     

     

    I'm not playing the victim card; the whole "no CB" moralizing despite the existence of one and being part of a sphere that has attacked isolated alliances with no CBs or non-isolated ones for signing treaties is rich and fits that way more. The only reason Rose was attacked was because we couldn't hit some of the other alliances initially and your entrenchment into the sphere. If you want another CB, your buddy Buorhann''s attempted blackmail to get logs of me would be a doozy too. But again, we didn't push this war, and if we didn't have the indication your side would hit first, it wouldn't have happened.

     

    lol they wouldn't let me be anything more than a glorified diplomat

    The war so far v2- updated stats

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    I said that in the context of us being hit before anything happened. If we were going to be constantly goaded by your friends then we were going to be dragging anything out.

     

    Again, I've explained this to you. Essentially you would want us to go for updecs we have no chance of winning which would essentially clog up the slots of the nations we'd be hitting and allow them to run rampant. I mean, it happened anyway on some we weren't able to seal the deal on. but it would have been far worse and imperiled the ones we made work. We're not intentionally limiting in the slightest or else we wouldn't have been as high up as we we were.  I'm not really unsurprised that we're losing because it fits the pattern. Fighting Syndiphere is always an uphill battle, but we were still trying to achieve some objectives. 

     

    It's really unfortunate you feel this way Pub. I'm glad others are able to see we're not the cartoon villains you make us out to be.

     

    It's not like NPO has the best reputation

    The war so far v2- updated stats

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    One is in reaction to the other and I don't think we tried to rally any of them. Honestly we were expecting to be fighting OO after the NAP expired until it started getting out that a change was desired by some in it.

     

    >Most upper tier alliances flock to Syndisphere due to seeing it as a better deal

    >No alternatives

     

    The lesson from the first war was we had no effective counter to BK on our side and BK was the would-be alliance hitting us in both the tS-Alpha war and then when they actually did it. If we were likely going to be fighting BK even if we grew a bit more, it made sense to adapt to alliances like that. What I didn't want was the usual "beat up the uppers and mids in first round, low tier comes in and cleans up and locks it down for 3 rounds" to happen again.

     

    You just said that you were going to drag out the war for any low tier alliance that was enlisted. That wasn't really a secret before the war happened (that you would overwhelm any low tier alliance). Maybe rally isn't the correct word but you are aware of the fact that you are the reason for your sphere being so much more stacked with lower tiers. Whether you admit it or not.

     

    I don't think you can just blame your lack of performance this war on BK not being there either, because I can probably find at least 20 nations in your alliance that still haven't done shit in this war. You talk about how it was "easy mode" for the other side, and you seem unsurprised that you are losing the war. Why hold back on your blitz if you felt this way? If you're going to lose at least do it in style. 

     

    Personally, I think you are intentionally trying to keep the damage to your alliance minimal which is why you had a half assed blitz. So that post war you will be in a much stronger position than your allies - and you will be able to try and take charge of the direction your sphere goes while they are licking much deeper wounds than you. 

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    The war so far v2- updated stats

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by Alkaline

    I don't think you really get it. The point wasn't to avoid getting rolled it was to avoid making it fun for you or interesting at all and give us the ability to drag out any war for any low tier alliance you enlisted . If you were insistent on having us as an enemy we were going to deny you any pleasure in it.  Let's just face it; you were upset we weren't there for you to roll a few months ago. Your track record is extensive in this regard. 

     

    I've already pointed out why it wouldn't have been the game changer you describe. Keep pretending otherwise.

     

    I just want to note that both times we were dealing with being severely isolated after losing a war. In one case, we were dropped after losing a defensive war and were left to our own devices with the exception of a few allies, so we weren't going to splurge when your leadership was openly broadcasting its intentions to hit us especially after we were dropped in the Paragone split. In the other case, we lost and barely had any treaties and certainly didn't have any with anyone that would be in a position to take Mensa/tS on, so we were just going to be taking our hits and fighting it out alone until things changed recent, which is why it made sense in that context.

     

    So you are intentionally trying to rally all the lower tier alliances on your side? That would just push even more high tier alliances to your opposition wouldn't it?

     

    I mean it's just par for the course. I hope it changes eventually, but there isn't really a penalty for pulling out if you're on the losing side, so people are inclined to do it.  If an entire coalition is willing to dig in at some point, they'll be able to accomplish a lot.

     

     

    There is no alternative if the other side has an upper tier advantage since alliances with upper tiers tend to tie each other. There could have been more score compression which would have helped avoid  the 17-20 city nations sell downs on 12-15 nations with maxed mil, but that's about it. 

     

    Can't really use that as an excuse when you follow by explaining how you intentionally choke your enemies of lower tier allies.  

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    The war so far

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    I don't understand how no one is pointing out that NPO only has 75 active offensive wars with 104 members (while being on the aggresive side) - then faults the other side for having it on "easy mode". 

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    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    if that's the case on how you feel why did the actual government (who actually follows the charter) have to leave instead of the one who disagrees. It's morally wrong and I think you know it deep down.

     

    I would argue it's more a technicality than a morality issue. It's no secret VE has had an issue with activity and I assume to get something like impeachment done it requires a good amount of active members and gov to pass. I'll need to go check but I feel it's a safe assumption to say that it is percentage based in terms of what is required with the votes. It is possible Olorin could not get enough votes, but could still have a good chunk of the active people just based off of the requirements to take someone out of office. Does this make him a bad person? No. 

     

    Deep down I know that I think he should have just left and taken those he had supporting him with him, for the sake of not breaking the charter and for a few other reasons. However, I won't question morality over a charter that likely was written at (and for) a much different time for the alliance than right now. 

    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    You know,  I'm all for leadership change as long as it's done according to what is laid out in an alliance's charter.  That is not what happened in VE's case.  Thus for whatever it is worth as far as I'm concerned the people who took part in the "coup" are not the true leaders of the alliance.

    That's fair, in all honesty a more appropriate motion would have been to just leave and take the people who disagreed along so as to not break charter policy. However, I still think that people are treating the situation much worse than it should be. 

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