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  1. Am I the only one that takes that complement as extremely condescending?   "Hey you guys did good for your first war!"  If someone said that about Grumpy, I would be super pissed,  Most of those guys have been playing for years and know how to run a war, to act like this is their first time to the big show is just so damn condescending.  Its not just you Harry that says stuff like this, but people do it all the time to other "new" alliances run by guys that have been playing for years, it drives me nuts.

    I mean there is a fundamental difference between GOB and CKD. Yours is elite only and  CKD is mainly mass recruiting and organizing wars with players who have very little idea about war mechanics and how it works is one of the toughest jobs. Like you have 13 vet. player who clearly know what to do and stuffs like I would say take 50 new player with that veteran 13 and try to organize a war you can as well see the mess going over there. 

     

    Now if you want to go with your alliance name and want to be grumpy with anything and everything thats a different issue :P but apart from that I don't think I mentioned anything wrong on that previous post :)

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  2. tbh it might not be one of the best war performance but again given that this was you guys first war(not to mention the number and size of the AA's jumped on you) and you just entered to honour a treaty in my opinion you peeps did fairly well :) 
    May be better luck next time :) 

    Also happy rebuilding  ;)  ;)

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  3. You're in VM and still checking and posting on the forums. Can we please not start talking about nerds or everyone in this game is going to start feeling self-conscious

    he hide into VM actually after getting rolled in round 1 :P 

     

     

    #clapped 

     

    also can't believe we actually reached page 25 on this thread :P 

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  4. No matter how tough is it or will be we are strong as a team. :)

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    All 12 Zodiac animals ready to fight, ready to kill, ready to die together. Ferocity and Strength!

     

     

    tbh Zodiac did pretty well given the oppositions they faced and I am 100% sure this is going to be one of the most successfull merge in sometime :) 

     

    but it's sad to see NPO using you guys as meatshield :( 

    like most of alliances on your side took 30% + damage whereas NPO took only 12% damage also someone mentioned that NPO launched only 75 aggressive wars although they have 104 members. It's really bad to see NPO literaly using you guys like this :(

  5. And you can't tell me your political doubts would've been enough to peace out if your side was rolling to victory.  

     

    Things got tough and you bailed.  Fair enough but painting it as anything else is spin.

    Interesting to see RW people screaming about people leaving their wars after round 1 :) 

     

    Also interesting to see apart from RW neither tTO ally nor their coalition mates are screaming about them leaving war after round 1 

  6. First of all I think we should leave the war mechanics alone tbh there are enough changes and not even a single changed solve the solution rather increased it time to time. 

    Now jets are not even an issue if your military planning is good. Like you are saying about 1/6 th buying per day thing build a PB project in that case also it never happened to me that all my planes are destroyed in 1 day like atmost it reached 800-900 starting with 1500 or so. Now we need to understand when all those things happens with planes i.e. all the jets are gone pretty soon, when you are a 10 city nation and you try to go for a 18 city nation in your blitz then this is bound to happen, Just because opposition using the plane strategy properly and destroying more units and your side is loosing more infra and units that doesn't make planes bad. Like planes have downside as well it takes most MAP for planes to reduce same amount of resistance ( with 12 MAP plane can reduce 36 resistance , ground reduce 40 resistance , ships reduce 42 resistance) I can't recall anyone complaining about this issue. Also ships destroys a lot more of infra than planes as well. 

    So it is totally choice of military commander of an alliance how he/she will create a proper strategy , just because we came up with a perfect strategy and prevented 438 people to roll 68 guys that doesn't means war system is bad. 

  7. The MAPs didn't come through from the day change, if I'm not mistaken, so it actually was three hours after the war started that any MAPs were given.

    MAP was given in 1:30 mins after the day changed. And also it affected all the alliances like if our side was able to come up with new defensive strategy in 1 hour then it's opposition's fault that they are unable to produce any new plan in that time.

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  8. So politically you were for whatever reason committed to the hitting of Roz Wei/Arrgh/TEst. Why? Said alliances do anything to your alliance to warrant such commitment? Did TKR require help during that time more than BK does now?

     

    If I may make a observation, it seems like Teutonic Order was willing to fight a war when the risk to itself was low and not so willing when it was high. Don't think because your allies and enemies give you pity pats on the back that people don't see this for what it is. Next time just cite a treaty conflict and stay out. Joining in on that side when it initially appeared they had the advantage and then bailing when the reverse became quite apparent is not a better path to take. If you're not committed then don't commit as it could be said. 

     

    Still, do not take this as more than it is, good luck to your alliance.

    There are a few points to be noted Rozalia you got to understand why so many alliances join on rolling the paperless ?? Have you asked this question to yourself ? I mean valkrie was paperless for sometime , VE was paperless as well but they don't get dogpiled so why people choose to do this to RW-Arrgh-TEst ? If you come up with an answer feel free to tell me :) 

     

     

    Also as for tTO they joined this war mainly to honor their treaty this was not really their war 

    moreover they did 1.6 billion worth of damage till now and it's one of the highest per day average amount of damage made on that side of the war. 

     

     

    Also atleast you guys shouldn't be shocked by people leaving war after one round, like I don't recall any aggressive war your side fought for more than one round (unless thats kind of a raid) 

  9. to be honest TFP  doing pretty good given the oppositions they are facing on lower tiers :) 
    And I will go a bit ahead and say TFP, TCW, Guardian , tC , CF are the reason why even 7 alliances are not able to pin down t$ :) 

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  10. Link me pls

     

    Yep, that was the conversation I was alluding to. You mentioned it once 4 months ago and I never heard anything from you about it again (and you never mentioned your subsequent conversation with Bezzers to me as I recall). Given that you never brought it up again it didn't strike me as something you were particularly invested in, especially in light of your later reactions to the FA moves made by your erstwhile allies in the other logs you've been kind enough to provide. So yeah, doesn't really contradict my point that you guys didn't seriously push for any sort of substantive change.

     

     

    If you asked us a few months ago, no BK members who ever thought that we should sign NPO. However, signing NPO can indeed be seen as drastically changing the status quo; two bitter enemies allying months later. If you look at it, the chances of any other alliances on Syndisphere who would agree to allying NPO is pretty low. The inclusion of Zodiac is pretty much a foregone conclusion since they seems to be amicable to us from the very start of the proposal of Syndisphere splitting. I'd argue that the creation of the bloc was due to friendships/ideaology, a result of like-minded leaders coming together wanting to do something "different". This is talking solely about FA relations between leaders of alliances rather than strength of individual alliances.

     

    On the military side, it does indeed makes sense to sign NPO. They are reasonably good at wars compared to other alliances, Zodiac after the merger is also in a pretty good spot as a ally militarily Unfortunately, it did meant the consolidation of the mid tier. It does fit into BK's strength of dominating mid tier and up-declaring however, even though your upper tier is probably too large for our mid tier to defeat in a war.

     

    It is easy for us to look at the Syndisphere situation and decide which alliance should be in split up into the different spheres equally to make things more even, however, the human element will always come into play to distort things. The current result were choices the leaders and FA of different alliances decided. I may not like it but at the end of the day, it is just a game, we get to war with challenges despite the advantages each side have. I will just roll along with it.

     

     

    TKR: brought up vague idea that constituted a handful of lines in a lengthy conversation, but never expanded on or refined the idea in any way (that's the first time I've seen that handy spreadsheet for example)

    BK: makes a joke about Pacifica

    TKR: ends the conversation immediately and never mentions the idea again to BK, tries to talk to BoC (but doesn't mention it to BK), doesn't bring it up in any of the joint servers that we inhabit for serious discussion, try to convince anyone that it is a serious idea or make any sort of argument in its favor (while at the same time trying to block​ other FA moves by its allies) and then trots it out 4 months later as evidence that, despite all actions to the contrary, TKR was serious about pushing for change.

    BK: doubts that TKR was serious about pushing for change since its actions don't appear to match its words.

     

    I mean, I do understand that IC had been busy with school (which is completely fine), but if TKR was so open to embracing this idea (as you claim), surely someone could have found the time to actually have a serious discussion about it over the course of the 2 or 3 month period in which absolutely nothing was happening? We seem to have plenty of time to post in this thread, so maybe you could have cleared an afternoon or something over that 60+ day span of time? I have a pretty flexible schedule.

     

    Can confirm

     

    Get rekt Yoso

     

     

    He's safe and happy at the farm and he has plenty of other dogs to play with, honest.

     

    Truthful Snek?

     

    We didn't tell Partisan anything, because there wasn't anything to tell him. Since I wanted to make sure we were accurate on this, I went back and checked the logs and the only time that IC made any mention of potentially breaking up Syndi-OO was on January 4th, when I straight up asked him what he thought we should do going forward in the wake of the Paperless war. And, no, this wasn't a 'proposal' we rejected, it was a 'well if we were going to do something, I guess this would be okay' musing, which was quickly followed by 'but we'd just be doing it for the sake of doing it, so we're not too enthusiastic about it,' a sentiment which you yourself echoed in a conversation we had shortly afterwards. Unless you made some formal proposal I'm unaware of, this was the only time TKR mentioned anything to that effect in the 60 or more days before we finally decided to go ahead and dissolve OO. By that point it had become obvious that you had no real intention of seeing any substantive changes in Orbesian politics take place, especially considering your reaction to BoC's proposed treaty to WU and CS's prospective bloc with Lord. Given that TKR appeared to feel it should have a de facto veto over the FA of its allies (a point you and I disagreed on in a private conversation regarding BoC's WU treaty) and the fact that you repeatedly opposed the creation of cross sphere ties (WU, Lord, NPO), you can't turn around now and claim that TKR was eager to embrace change. And that's fine - like I said in an earlier post, you guys worked hard for your top spot and desparately wanted to hang on to it, which was a choice you had a right to make. But trying to turn around and claim that TKR was openly advocating the break up of the Syndisphere or seeking to revitalize the stagnant FA environment is a bit much - mentioning something once in a half hearted manner and then never following up on it again, while at the same time opposing your allies efforts to shake up FA, doesn't make TKR the champions of dynamic change.

     

     

    I know I should call more, but things have just been busy lately. I swear you're still my favorite snek.

     

    Well that doesn't seem to to be in accordance with the conversation (and the logs) I recently reread, but I can't speak to what IC may or may not have said to Bezzers. And I'm not painting you as complacent and uncompromising - I'm simply using the evidence provided by your past actions to demonstrate that TKR repeatedly opposed​ substantive change. I'm sorry if that doesn't match with your current argument that you represent a progressive and evolutionary force in Orbesian politics, but if you were sincerely interested in seeing some sort of dramatic shift in FA you certainly had an odd way of going about it. Generally dramatically altering the status quo involves doing more than having one vague conversation (that I'm aware of) and then never mentioning anything again until you're publicly called out for it 4 months later. But hey, you guys had an idea that you perhaps would have eventually given serious consideration to maybe actually pursuing, so I suppose that's a start.

     

     

    Alright guys...calm down. BK apologizes profusely for doing anything, and we now see it would have been much better to sit around doing nothing.

     

    In an attempt to correct what we have done, I would like to be the first to suggest an Orbis-wide NAP to be signed after this war wraps up. We can of course exclude an alliance or two so that we have someone to roll every once in a while, but it should still be sufficient to make the game stagnant.

     

    these are not even 50% of posts related to this issue in https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19099-bk-recognition-of-hostilities/this thread 

    just read this thread once and then come back here again :) 

     

     

  11. The Teutonic Order cannot reconcile continuing to wage a conflict we are not fully committed to politically. It can be said this wasn't an easy decision to make. Our allies in BK were informed as the decision had been made. We wish CKD the best in their efforts as they too had blitzed Pantheon when we had.

    Mr. Perfect= Victor Truchev  :wub:  :wub:  :wub: 

    good luck on peace tTO have fun on rebuild :) 

     

     

  12. How do you know that it was their intention to split?

    Look Dillon (if I am not much mistaken) I really liked you in my time back in Pantheon but do you really want an argument for the sake of argument ?? Like there are already tons of posts by Curu clearly stating that they wanted to split syndisphere. Not sure why are you trying to start this argument once again ?? You are not kastor and Ironborn is not LOLedaeron so don't behave like kastor man :P 

     

    Also it is possible you might have missed those threads in that case shoot me a pm in discord will link you to those posts :) 

  13. Have we ever actually fought them before? Because I don't think we have.

     

    Edit: Maybe GW3 possibly but I'm not sure

    Pretty much sums up UPN's activity level even their second in command who should have bit of idea about FA don't even know which alliances are on their opposite side for last 2 years or so. Keep up the good work man we need these helps from UPN to continue our unbeaten streak :) 

    also 

     

    o/ tC roll them you guys are 10/10 awesome  in this war :) 

  14. Is signing Acadia a backstab or am I missing something?

    declaring war on one of the closest ally of your ally without any sort of provocation is backstab :) [given that ally of ally and CS were part of one of the biggest econ project of orbis just 4 months ago] 

     

    Not to mention they were part of the planning team which decided to attack on TKR and they knew it very well but sadly they decided to see their allies getting rolled. 

     

    If this is not backstab I don't know what is :) 

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  15. They've already lost score since we attacked and 1 of their players already deleted. Not sure what they're talking about in the posts. I realize this is a declaration of hostilities.

    even taking the score lost from that deleted guy TCW lost < 3k score after you "blitzed" them and you lost near about 8k score good job. not to mention TCW is already fighting Acadia , Polaris (alliances on their own tier) your peoples are not even in TCW tier lol 

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