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21 minutes ago, lancelot1 said:

I was TKR high gov for two years so I’m all set with the lessons, as much as I appreciate them. I apologize for not giving you my bio before daring to speak to you. Heavens only know the embarrassment you must have felt having to speak to a “regular member”

I accept your apology, and I am thankful you have seen the error of your ways. I am impressed by your humility, coming forward and admitting to such inexperience is a true sign of your fortitude and character.

I sincerely hope TKR will deign to give you another shot at high government in the future so you can complete your training, you deserve it.

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1 hour ago, Keza Purple said:

maybe hes shadow gov, stop giving him attention lol 

I am a firm believer in helping to train the next generation of TKR leaders so they too can come and gaslight me on the forums.

Yes yes, I know, very saintly of me, contain your praise, it truly is a thankless job, but we all must do our part.

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33 minutes ago, lancelot1 said:

Wow what a great comeback by you. My feelings are really hurt now. 
 

Shockingly, even me, a lowly “regular member” knows that TKR was not trying to join your ridiculous NAP. You guys should stop claiming that we were. 

Not trying to hurt your feelings bud.

But considering you are struggling to follow the thread, and think our argument is that TKR tried to join this nap(?), you should perhaps let your government handle this.

 

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3 hours ago, lancelot1 said:

It’s completely false, which has already been said multiple times in this thread. You don’t have evidence that it’s true because it is not true. You all made this deal for your own reasons. TKR was not a part of it and was never trying to be a part of it. 

Bro you a regular member you don't know shit lmfao

Go sit in a corner with Who Me and play some baseball

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16 hours ago, Dr James Wilson said:

I've never seen a group of people so angry at being rescued from a beatdown that they deserved and basically begged for.

"Rescued"

ODOO set terms and conditions on us for their entry that were undoubtedly beneficial to themselves. Their entry was self interest, a prid quo pro. By that point in the war, we had already taken all the damage we were going to take.

Peace negotiations with SAIL and us would have taken place and been finished well before the extended war would have, had parties remained in the coalition instead of peacing out.

We could have taken a long NAP and sat and allowed for things to play out without us. It would have been more beneficial for us to do so. We opted to make a deal that would prolong the conflict we had already been fighting for 2 months (preceding 2 months of fighting others) in order to make a move that would benefit all parties, That would have committed us to at least 5 months of straight war.

The assertion that we were rescued from anything is laughable. I'm not going to expand on what your terms were, despite the various wild claims being made here, but the fact is, you guys had a deal on the table that worked for you, and that is why you helped.

And then you walked away from the deal. And very abruptly. We all know how much of a mess that was.

As far as us being "angry" goes, I hadn't really intended to get involved in this discussion much. But certain claims were made here that required addressing, and I think it's interesting you guys have chosen to single us out, given everyone else who signed onto the nap, including alliances you claim to have good relations with, and, all in all, we owe you the least here besides perhaps Eclipse.

TKR immediately planned to attack us as soon as the Fortuna war in which we fought together was over. And they did, bringing in Syndicate. That put us under a NAP cycle, the same one that prompted their entry into our war later on.

TKR made a deal that, as I said earlier, was beneficial to them, in order to bring themselves in, and then when things got too hairy for them, struck a different deal behind our backs, and attempted to exclude us from the process, which would have inevitably left us in the same war they are purported to have rescued us from lmfao.

These are all claims I can easily support with evidence, if I have to. Despite all this, we have not gone after or targeted you directly, this entire time. We could have easily sought revenge on TKR/ODOO for your previous attacks on us, we could have easily sought to align with people attempting to hit you this cycle, and, with this nap in place, we could easily align with the current coalition against you. Instead, we have, more than once, attempted to work with you, and find mutual common ground and cut deals with you that would work to our mutual benefit.

But past behaviour is a pretty good indicator for future behaviour, and TKR has proven time and time again, that collaboration with you ends poorly for us.

Perhaps you'd prefer me to sit alongside you, whisper sweet nothings in your ear, and pretend like I wasn't one of the alliances who signed onto the NAP? Given who you guys have chosen as the target of your ire here, it feels to me that you'd rather hear comfortable lies than brutal honesty.

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3 hours ago, Themonia said:

Because then they would have been sat on until they surrendered and got a NAP anyway, just with harsher terms to accompany it? I'm not sure what the confusion here is stemming from, the answer should be glaringly obvious. 

He's not confused, he's just doing a bad @Eumirbagoimpression 🤣

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2 hours ago, Jacob Knox said:

Hang on did we just witness TKR and Singularity already begin making up after being at each other's throats for a minute there? No, we can't let this happen. Make them fight again!

TKR smell bad

Adrienne has poo on head

Benfro stink of fish

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14 minutes ago, Who Me said:

Except you didn't continue the fight and you still haven't said why.

ThErE wAs nO oNe LeFt tO FiGhT

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18 minutes ago, Who Me said:

Why didn't you then?

IDK bro, the prospect of being abandoned by your coalition partners isn't exactly an amazing deal.

Why didn't TKR keep fighting? Seems I could just make the same argument to you. Lmfao.

 

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6 hours ago, Canbec said:

Pretty rich coming from the alliance who threw a hissy fit because we pushed back when they wanted the initial NAP to be even longer than it ended up being.

Cute spin.

You guys are the ones who forced the peace in the first place in one day war.

We didn't want to peace at all. We wanted to keep fighting. Now you are trying to pretend that was instigated by us, because as usual, TKR plays the blame game, and this is exactly why we didn't want to work with you. You betray the coalitions you work with, over and over, shifting blame to others to hide your own shit.

We had just come off fighting 4 months straight, and you forced us into the room to make peace after one day. We would have fought on. You cut a deal with t$ and leveraged it to get us all to peace out. Attempting to pin the nap on us because, when faced with a decision we didn't want, we pushed for something that would benefit us more as a consolation prize, is rich.

Now you are shocked and amazed that we dared not to work with you, when you are still out here lying and obfuscating information in order to shift responsibility from yourselves. This NAP happened because of you, because you weren't content to fight Eclipse in a 1v1 on your own terms, and we knew, that when face to face with that prospect in a months time, you would have signed the other deal on the table and left us to be screwed. Because that is what you did last war, and that is the pattern of behaviour you've established for 2 cycles in a row, you screw over your coalition partners.

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26 minutes ago, Vein said:

be fair and maybe nuke the other 3 spheres as well for signing it, Eclipse weren't the only one who did it. Perhaps also go visit the other only sphere who signed M treaty with the only other biggest sphere not once, but twice then followed afterwards with a 3.5 month NAP after a one day war. Why are most of the playerbase in this game so stupid? I only feel for the members kek

It's only a bad NAP when it doesn't include TKR.

I'm sure @BigMorf would be singing a different tune if the Syndicate/Eclipse/ODOO nap that he supported got through. 

[Bored during the NAP?]

Alternatively, you can all play Roberts Bingo with me!

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7 minutes ago, Canbec said:

dw I'm hyper-caffeinated so I've still got a couple hours in me.

Quitting Caffeine was the best worst decision (or worst best decision) I've ever made so I envy you.

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6 minutes ago, Velyni Vas said:

For how long is the question.

TKR members probably need to sleep at some point. 🤣

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And just like that, the forums are active again.

[Game Development Discussion: Colour Bloc Changes]

10 hours ago, Shiho Nishizumi said:

I'm not sure how you can look at a formula which accompanying chart has Lime skyrocket from lowest value bonus to highest value bonus, and go "Damn, this is really what we should be going with". I'd like to think that that alone would highlight the issue with the formula as is.

Lime has a bunch of training alliances on it. As soon as the changes are implemented those alliances will move those aa's onto their own color.

The point of the proposal is to encourage multiple types of paths to a higher bonus, so obviously it's going to rescale how the colors currently are. Naturally a change in the way the color bonus is being calculated is going to result in a change in how some colors have their numbers work.

What's your core issue with the proposal?

 

[SYNDICATE, INC. ISSUES STATEMENT ON COMPROMISED ASSETS]

I hope the 2d adventure game was fun at least.

[Game Development Discussion: Colour Bloc Changes]

6 hours ago, Danzek said:

>  change the cap to the following formula. Currently this is around ~111k with the above changes.

I think a ranked turn bonus split might make more sense, as that simplifies calculations and avoids the cap being all over the place for seemingly irrelevant factors (number of new nations). It also avoids there being multiple colors with the same bonus (and thus no benefit to switching between)

I think that just further benefits whale tier. The act of switching in most cases is going to change the bonus.

[Game Development Discussion: Colour Bloc Changes]

Alright here is my proposed revision of the color bonus.

Step 1:

Eliminate all people not in an alliance from counting towards the color bonus.

Eliminate all people city 10 and below from counting towards the color bonus. (Can still benefit from the color bonus).

Step 2:

Adjust the Turn Bonus formula from:

Turn Bonus = (Average Daily Monetary Net Revenue / Nations)

To this:

Turn Bonus = ( (Average Daily Monetary Net Revenue * 0.75) / Nations)

Step 3:

Instead of raising the cap to 150k, change the cap to the following formula. Currently this is around ~111k with the above changes.

New Turn Bonus Cap = (Total Aggregate DNR/Total Nations)

Step 4:

Create a second bonus with the following formula:

Recruit Bonus = (Total Nations <c11 on Color/(Total Nations <c11/5)) * New Turn Bonus Cap 

Step 5:

Add the revised Turn Bonus to the new Recruit Bonus. This is your final Color Turn Bonus.

 

What this accomplishes:

1. Removes the need to bully nanos off of colors. Gives nanos free reign to choose any color and receive it's bonus without impact.
2. Remove the need for training alliances that don't benefit from the main alliances bonus.
3. Creates value for lower tier nations and nanos for larger nations and alliances, giving them slightly more power. Larger alliances can court smaller alliances to increase their recruitment bonus.
4. Allows for multiple approaches to gain increased bonus without changing the system to benefit one style of play over another.
5. Create a cap that automatically scales over time as the game grows or shrinks, and pins the recruitment bonus to a value that adjusts to the ebb and flow of player count.

The Numbers

[Who are the big "rivals" in Orbis?]

On 3/25/2024 at 2:50 PM, Themonia said:

The largest current rivalry is probably between the SALE (Syndicate) and CIS (Singularity) spheres. It's been going on for quite a while now and three of the last four (4/5?) major wars have been either completely centered around or included the conflict between these two, these being Darkest Hour, Dodge This, and Global War 30 (some will split that last one into two, I don't think that makes too much sense). You can find pretty much everything I say here on the wiki with Declarations of War and other drama linked.

Unless it's longer than I know, the conflict dates back to when t$ cut off Cataclysm (who merged with Paradise to form Singularity) when Cata and Paradise hit Midgard (old bloc that had Aurora (m. w/ CTO to become EVH) and The Immortals). Claiming that their allies went in without their agreement, t$ gave Cata their 72 hour grace period before the treaty would be cut. However during that time, Eclipse hit these two alliances in defense of Midgard, and t$ did not defend Cata on the basis that they had violated their treaty by going in without t$' approval. Once the war between Cata-Para and Midgard+Eclipse was over, t$ signed Eclipse. It was a pretty controversial move for most people, and was the CB for Cata's entry into Darkest Hour, where Eclipse and t$ got rolled. It's been a state of perma-war since then I believe, and both sides accuse the other of maintaining that state. Some people may disagree with this POV, I'm an ex-t$ member that tries to stay on good terms with them still, you can ask SIN members for theirs if you wish. Overall the rivalry has gone on for too long imo, it's getting pretty boring, @FA please hug each other immediately.

Global War 30 had more to do with our issues with Aurora than Syndicate. Syndicate just made it about themselves for whatever reason. Keegoz even when barely active lives rent free in their heads. It's become comical at this point honestly.

[72 hour notice no more?]

4 hours ago, Benfro said:

Separate from my usual feelings about your somewhat baseless ramblings, it is really ripe to see you post this here of all places. You (Camelot, of which you are sole decision-making head) dropped the people of Atlas without giving them a long enough opportunity to adjust to your requests. Nobody is claiming they are perfect - see further post below - but you lost all credible argument space on this. We all know you like to puppet anyone who is silly enough to ask for your help ("we will send someone over" isn't how the rest of the civilized world treats prots,), but its rich to see you basically arguing merge or die. Maybe you were drawn here because for once someone was posting a complaint about a different alliance than Camelot.

If only Camelot could emulate TKR.

 

[72 hour notice no more?]

37 minutes ago, Rageproject said:

I don’t disagree with you on much of this. But it is why I feel the game doesn’t put in place the mechanisms to create any sort of balance — like capping out alliance membership numbers, or having a tiering safeguard that enables these mega alliances and nanos to exist and not compete in the same arena.

If an alliance is not Top 50-60 at this point, it’s not exactly relevant. And like Epi points out, the cut off for any relevancy is going to continue to shrink based on sheer exponential growth of the top tier alliances because that’s what the mechanics allow for.

This is all relevant to this topic of Atlas, because here’s an example of a micro that has (sorry Mac) become quickly declining in status in recent months for both internal and external factors. 

If you capped alliance numbers, alliances would just make multiple alliances. Wouldn't do much. There's not much to be gained by limiting player's freedom of movement.

As always, the solution remains to make the game more engaging and less draining for new players.

[Camelot Statement]

23 minutes ago, Themonia said:

Certainly! Why does the bot show all of these Camelot and Samurai gov/high rank members moving between the two alliances? Curious...

I believe that is what happens when people leave an alliance to join a different alliance.

Honestly I figure you all of people would know about that.

[Camelot Statement]

15 minutes ago, Themonia said:

How long is "some time?" AustinH explicitly saying in public that they are still an extension wasn't that long ago. In fact, it was on the day that Samurai broke the NAP against SFR Yugo-TCM. Looks a bit like ghosting, don't you think?

@EVH what's our next move as news server puppeteers to get Camelot rolled?

I see the quality of RON reporting hasn't improved.

This seems like the sort of thing you could probably find out yourself, with the bot, that exists on your own server.

[Declaration from Singularity Regarding Yellow Team.]

For too long Noctis has posted on these forums, yapping about this thing and that thing. Noctis has claimed ownership of Yellow because of his brainrot, as he gets his low tier noobs to try defending it for them; as they keep gaining as much damage as they can. It's time for the masses to stand up, spin around and fall over to prove Noctis can win. We encourage all on Yellow to Vote The Immortals Yellow Bloc to prove to Noctis that Immortals has more people on Yellow.

We probably wont fight for Immortals right to treat Noctis as a second class nation, but we are not above strongly worded letters. We encourage others to stand with us & vote to make Yellow the same as it always was. We are open to both treaties and paperless relations with those who wish to assist in proving change is impossible. The same Noctis complains forever and we can't change that.

Yellow is the color of urine, not sure why Noctis settles for pee colors rather than be Red. Either he is colorblind, or maybe he likes to stare at the sun til his brain melts. Raiders are fighting for loot & avoiding the good colors because they are too busy looting people to farm a 75000 dollar per turn bonus, so the evil whales can keep getting richer than them at an even faster pace. Better to sit on your ass, than to whine on your toilet.

Oppressive Dinosaur from Singularity, Sketchy.