Kastor
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Ah, read that wrong. Alright.
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So, lets take a break from bickering about the war:
https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=6126
This is a new neutral alliance, which is cool, however they probably only haven't gotten hit because of the war. Do you think they'll get hit, simply for being neutral?
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1 hour ago, Do Not Fear Jazz said:
99% of the wealth of orbis is held by 1% of the players.
Its probably closer to 3%.
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I’m mot sure why you guys downgraded just to go straight back to them.
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Someone tell me.
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Bad idea.
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Please change it.
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3 hours ago, Edward I said:
Yeah, but his “neutral” commentary tends to look and sound like KERCHTOGG talking points, so the mistake is understandable.
Well.....TKR side is being "reasonable"
I've said that they should admit defeat and that should come to you for peace talks. I think your bogus "surrender first" thing is bogus. I'm sorry I'm not blindly following your way of thought on it, it doesn't really make sense because everyone knows how you'll lose it.
What you'll do is this:
1. Force them to surrender first, then impose VERY unfavorable terms.
2. If those terms aren't accepted, you'll say that TKR side admitted defeat, and that they should accept your terms because they realized they lost.
I know you'll say you won't, but I know a lot of the guys on your side, this is how you think, and I know people on the other side will ALSO do this. That's why I'm against it. Because its not going to make the war any shorter, and will drag out the war.
The best way to do this is to list your terms out, get a moderator, I recommend me or Prefontaine. Or someone else if you don't want either of us, and force everyone to sit down and talk. Come to a good deal that benefits both sides, and see where everything goes from there.
Staying on this path will just drag out the war, but as I've said, thats what NPO wants. A longer war only hurts BK, which I've also said more times.
58 minutes ago, Buorhann said:Nah, they’ll continue to throw others in till we submit. It works two ways for them.
For one, they maintain dominance.
For two, it ensures that their allies or acquaintances won’t out gain them since they’ll be stuck using their own resources or having to take out loans.
I'm not sure I agree with that. NPO won't throw the new alliances in because they want them to grow, I'm not sure why GOONS is even in but they won't allow new alliances to join. They need them to compete with BK soon.
Even though BK sphere kinda self-destructed.
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10 hours ago, Aragorn, son of Arathorn said:
We don't think that either, but we will get them to admit defeat.
I don't think thats going too well for you. I think you'll list your terms before they admit defeat.
4 hours ago, Do Not Fear Jazz said:NPO has not imported any CN players, GPWC are not CN players.
NPO didn't import GOONS, I did. Although I did play CN, GOONS by and large are from SomethingAwful, not CN.
Learn the facts before you pipe up.
That doesn't change my point. My point is they are hoping the people who are coming over will be more tolerant to them then the people currently here. That's NPO's FA goal post-war, even though they'll never admit it. Even if BK comes back, tC has said publicly that they're not interested in rejoining with NPO, and I doubt if they force terms on TKR side, they'll come around.
The end goal and my point stays the same, nice try to divert from my point tho.
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I suppose that's an argument that can be made. I'm indifferent, I've said you guys should white peace, I've said that they should surrender.
The main point is, I don't think you're going to get ALL of what you want, and you seem unwilling to make any concessions, so a question could be asked what exactly do you get out of continuing the war? I suppose the bragging rights, but thats kinda irrelevant if the war goes on for some more months. You're barely growing, so it isn't like you're exactly winning here all that much there either.
idk, feels like a dud to not just list your terms and negotiate, I'm not sure what exactly you get over not listing them.
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The real issue is the NPO Side keeps trying to force its views and logic on the other side(TKR side). Its obvious that TKR side isn't budging on how it views certain things, and NPO side thinks if it drags out the war it'll get them to change its view.
The war has gone on for months, and TKR side hasn't changed at all, and all thats happened is NPO side is losing allies and people fighting for them. Regardless of the end result, I can't say that this is a good strategy. I assume NPO side thinks as long as it imports allies, it'll be fine, but I've gotta say losing PnW base support for CN support doesn't look like a good strategy in the long run.
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So I read/skimmed this, and this whole thing is silly.
If you guys need an impartial moderator, let me know.
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@Alex please change.
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They suck, and as a primary mobile player, I’m wondering who asked for the changes?
if you wanted to change something, change the thing that would cause me to get the capcath every time I go to trade.
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People trying to tie IQ to AK is dumb, and you should stop.
The exploit was barely used and was caught within days. The people were banned and everything is over. Let it go.
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As a 3rd party, I don’t think NPO not defending tS is wrong here. I think Roq has a firm leg to stand on.
I think hitting their allies is wrong though. They should’ve just stayed out. Even if it meant BK getting rolled.
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20 minutes ago, Roquentin said:
Well I'll be damned.
Solar is allied to BK, so I don't have to declare on them.
Imperial Decree
The Order has always sought to honor its defensive obligations where they may exist to the letter of the treaty. Our good friends in the Syndicate have decided to call upon us in their quest to secure safe passage for pirates to Treasure Island. Does it matter that they no longer felt obligated to the Order at all? No. Pigeons have terrorized Orbis for over 5 years at this juncture and we will do what we can to stop them. Even though the odds are against us and we will likely fail at this endeavor, we cannot allow the reign of terror TheNG and underlordgc have unleashed upon Orbis to continue without us standing up to their tyranny. They delight in chasing players out of the game. The Syndicate's philanthropic efforts for the benefit of the innocent Frontiersmen in Sanreizan only raised the ire of the purveyors of purple drank and their feathered friends. We cannot simply let this slide. They have committed numerous sins and the Syndicate are a brotherhood of saints who could never harm even the smallest of animals.
Pursuant to article II in our treaty with the Syndicate, the New Pacific Order declares war on Acadia and the United Purple Nations.
May Alex have mercy on your souls for we shall have none.
Roq this was a terrible shitpost bruh.
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2 minutes ago, Edward I said:When Malal switches from memes and shitposts to displaying a better working knowledge of treaty clauses than you, you've probably screwed up.
Well he's wrong....?
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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:
I'm not sure what you'd expect.
Premise : tS doesn't want to be allied to NPO anymore and signed new allies under NPO's nose which undermined efforts to get the other side to surrender.
Premise: tS doesn't resolve situation where it's protectorate which is made up of people who were at war.
Premise: tS protects alliances that harbor people like DemonSpawn who sought to tank his own former bloc by withdrawing from the war because NPO bad man and then his alliance got attacked for going under the TKR umbrella and then escapes to Sanreizan. Sanreizan was hated by Covenant and only avoided getting hit like CC because of the tS protection. The tS protection was premised on it being a favor to CoS and would end post-war. The favor to CoS aspect has a lot of problematic things in itself.
Conclusion: we don't have any reason to hold back.
1. If tS didn't want to be allied to NPO anymore, or if you thought that, why did you keep the treaty? 2.) What is there to resolve? Either you're saying tS doesn't doesn't have autonomy to choose their own allies and must consult you(which is toxic behavior, at the least) or you agree with BK that your ally should be hit for choosing allies that BK disagrees with. Choose that answer wisely. 3.) So Demonspawn did what Demonspawn did, whether thats right or wrong is up for debate, but are you saying that NPO/BK are going to create a policy that people can't join alliances if you don't like them, and if they do, you have a right to roll them?
There's so many things you said there that are problematic, even if tS wasn't the best ally......they're your ally. I'm not sure how this is, in anyway, okay to do. You've basically chosen your ex over your wife and act like its okay.
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41 minutes ago, Roquentin said:Okay, I got this and it'll be short.
The Syndicate made it clear they no longer considered NPO to be an ally when they didn't inform us of their decision to start a new sphere and move on from being allied to NPO. Utmos and Leopold pretty much felt justified in hiding their plans so that pretty much was the end of any notion of them treating us as an ally. Prior to this we had essentially been enabling a lot of sketchy actions by tS like harboring someone who ghosted CoS(itachi) going back to Enterprise and being made gov, Sanreizan allowing DemonSpawn and Clan Callan who did not make a peace deal when they had engendered a lot of ill will as FR, protecting TEst despite Boyce being a high up person in coalition management prior to his leaving and not reaching any peace deal, and the list goes on. We can't really keep enabling people in the hopes they would be willing to reconcile post-war when they made it abundantly clear they were moving on and making something new without us.
Roq, I've been a huge supporter of you, excluding IQ, and this has to be the worst spin/excuse I've ever seen. This is Thanos/Aragorn level.
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14 hours ago, Aragorn, son of Arathorn said:Lol effort bait. Y’all wish it was that dramatic.
welp looks like it was that dramatic
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2 hours ago, Aragorn, son of Arathorn said:
We’ve agreed that it If they admit they lost and will surrender we can discuss terms. It’s really not that hard.
Okay, but if they reject your offer, then they'd be admitting they lost and your stance would be bolstered.
I understand the game you're playing, but they're not going to play it, and you're not operating in good faith. Now before you say they aren't, your coalition has lied to theirs the entire time since this war has started, and thus have no reason to act in good faith.
Sit down, discuss terms, and then you'd probably get what you want, the prolonged act of stalling is causing you(BK) to lose allies/alliances fighting with you. And once a few leave, they'll all leave, and I think you'd have trouble holding on after all your satellites left.
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1 hour ago, Frawley said:
You have to sue for peace (aka agree to Surrender) before you can get to the table, its works like that in RL, it worked like that on Bob, and it works like that here. The only major difference is that we are only allowing you to sue for peace at set times.
Why does it matter?
You guys keep moving the goalpost for KETOG, this is why everyone keeps dropping out. You wanted a surrender, they've said they're willing to surrender, so take them to the table and hash out terms. You literally keep making something new up to keep the war going. What is it that you want? I bet if they agree to surrender then discuss terms you'd change it again. Just agree to something. damn.
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The discord is so dumb, actually.
You can't talk about anything, or the mods will warn you, and once I literally got my thing deleted and a warning for posting a link to an alliance affairs post, in the place where I posted it.
I was also told I couldn't talk about it to the mods, and if I did I'd be warned for it.