Lu Xun
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You're treaty spamming because you're losing and Carthago is probably going to merge into you anyways.
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The issue with baseball is this:
The punishment for baseball is baseball. It's a pure cow-clicker mechanic that's painful to execute.
However, botters in baseball bypass it and completely break the punishment.-
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2 minutes ago, Bjorn Ironside said:
Cool
but lets take away the sides and look at the facts, the three nations Alex underlined should be banned (I believe they are on my side of the war) imo thats clear botting, GOON/GPWC are both very new to the game and in that time frame made 17 billion over and above taxes and such, I am pretty sure GoG before the war would not have made 17 billion from taxes in 17 weeks. the fact is its broken and it has a massive effect on the game and should be removed or the cash removed.
IF people love playing baseball as much as people in this topic is claiming then surely they will still spam 500 plus games a day even if it has no benefits within the main game?3) most of GPWC and GOONs would not care if you deleted their 10 city nations, wouldnt take two mins to make a new one and go right back to spamming, it would be an endless task, this would only effect long term players who have built huge nations.
And if GPWC and GOONS were willing to accept ban evaders, they could easily have a ban evasion account.
My concern is more for Galerion and Birdonwheels, who are probably botting (given evidence), and given that Galerion is a member of your coalition, your side would make a massive shitstorm if we were to remove him. -
On 1/21/2020 at 12:11 AM, alyster said:
Since Orwell was a very astute left-center social theorist, it's a compliment to NPO.
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banning players over baseball is extreme, even if botted baseball is similar to what pooball did.
It might be better simply to:
-1 Ban the player from using Baseball for 18 months
-2 Fine the player a quantity equivalent to their baseball earnings + administrative fee
-3 If they cannot pay the fine, remove cities until the fine is paid or delete their nation.
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40 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:
I believe the promise was that we wouldn't threaten to destroy and forcibly disband them if they fell out of line. Unlike OD and friends, who need even their cowards to stick with it to keep the ship afloat. But I am just a four day old jackass, what do I know?
TCW and KT are hitting TFed. Arrgh seems to have developed a fixation for hitting TFed as of late.
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3 hours ago, Laffopuritain said:
Isn't the entire point of the 72 hour notice that you're supposed to give it BEFORE you back out of your responsibilities?
This is like telling your boss "I quit. This is my last day. Oh, and heres my two weeks notice."
Hey what happened to KERCHTOG$ being nice to their surrendering ex-allies?
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3 hours ago, Micchan said:
Thanks Alex for Inst, we really need him around keeping the community together
Every time you think someone is bad you compare him to Inst and he's not that bad anymore
As predicted! But not biting bait anymore.
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Pooball reported the bug as a general timing attack, not one that could be utilized for infinite resources. I was there in NR when it happened.
I think NR was desperate enough because he thought (and I had informed him to the effect) that we were running alliance killers on his protectorate. So he resorted to resource spawning to stay alive.
That probably wouldn't have been caught if Pooball had the sense not to do it on such a massive scale; he reached 200 billion in terms of the RSS generated (and likely 400 billion at wartime prices). But, he kept going, and going, and going, and going, and here we are.I'm generally satisfied with the resolution, I'm not sure if piss face is. Does this thread still need to be open?
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Thanks!
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Moderation as a weapon only exists as rules-related blackmail.
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I'm putting it up probably precisely because I know this'll turn into a trainwreck, but...
Thanks, Alex, for adding a verification to the Wars page to block automatic war scripts.
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The only loose end seems to be that piss face is listed as having 4 credits spent (account cap). It's probably just cosmetic because I doubt he'll find another use for the credits before he comes out of VM, which will be after the credit reset.
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1 hour ago, piss face said:
hello!
if stealing a bank is to be against the rules, can you also enforce this against people who simply move a bank to another alliance? or any other method that protects the bank from being raided after being stolen?
im lazy
I'll point out that it has been established policy for Alex to return 80% of the bank in the event of a bank theft. What makes your case unusual is that you, well, we, made an active effort to destroy the bank before Alex could return it.
Alex's response was just to force move the bank and send you into negative resources. I suppose we COULD attempt arguments that the bank shouldn't be returned, but that's against precedent. What's in question is what happens with the credits and what happens with your cities.
Alex seems inclined to just refund the credits, whereas I'd argue that the cities were no longer part of the bank once the bank was returned. To avoid drama with Weebunism complaining, it might simply be better to let you keep the cities instead, but that seems to be more than what Alex wants to allow.
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We also need to ask from Alex, was a bug exploited? Should piss face have been allowed to purchase cities while in beige? If he isn't, then you have a good point, but if he is allowed to purchase cities while VMed, he should be allowed to keep the cities.
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59 minutes ago, Cooper_ said:
I mean revenue is almost directly proportional to city count, and in this metric NPO beats all. I think pre-war NPO was at 2800 cities, most at 2k infra. You're talking about basically 2 billion per day, and the alliance collects ALL of it. With BK, it's a similar story in the range of 1.7 billion at 2400, 2k infra cities.
Pre-war TKR had a lot of cities below 2k infra and wasn't at full capacity yet with 1900 cities, so likely around 1 billion. T$ was around 1700 cities albeit at higher infra levels, so probably closer to 1.5 billion. In the previous two examples though, their taxes aren't even close to 100/100.
This whole debate about wealth is stupid because in terms of actually wealth generation, no one has or is beating NPO, BK and GOONS. Once those GOONS are tiered to C15 and eventually C20 at 2k infra, that's probably the better part of 10 billion a day between just those three alliances. Every single day of peace, these alliances tier closer and closer to the upper tier and generate more revenue in a more efficiently-used manner. Forcing my members and those of Coalition A to pay for the advancement of NPO from 2 cities to 3 cities ahead of TKR in average city count isn't really solving things just further entrenching the wealth creation divide that exists right now. Props to NPO for having a great econ, but don't gaslight us into thinking that you're somehow poor given that you're literally the only alliance in the game who can single-handedly fund an entire coalition.
NPO doesn't do even 2250 infra, it just sticks to 2000 infra. You forget that many nations on your side not only typically do 4k infra in peacetime, but also have copious reserves of land which creates plenty of food production.
Moreover, you're mistaking centralization (NPO is a large alliance) for actual economic production. Lump together a bunch of nominally independent but ideologically aligned alliances that nominally have lower city count, and you're looking at greater city counts without even having to consider economic output.
Then consider that partial mlitarization means that while infra meets exponential decreases in cost effectiveness, infra also results in considerable increases as the number of improvement slots that are eaten by "anti-raid" improvements (military improvements) decreases as a percentage of total improvements and that the interaction between population and improvements is a stacking multplier (infra * commerce * health).
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2 minutes ago, Akuryo said:
Reminder your leaders are asking, is it 50 or 70b in reps now?
For, remember, at BEST getting caught red handed plotting to hit people. At BEST, and getting slapped for that. Also reminder the highest reps ever in game were 1b.
Are you sure it's not like WW2? Cause your leaders and allies all seem to disagree. See they believe this is exactly like that, where they've treated the enemy so bad they've guaranteed the world will come after them full force for round two, and they probably won't win that.
That's, like, kinda why they're rolling with the...50? 70? Is it 90 yet? Billion in reps. This is well, WELL beyond a WW2 situation my friend, you're straight up past Versailles at this point.
Quite a few debts your side defaulted on and is refusing to pay.
Daily reminder that T$'s generative capacity is roughly in the realm of 1 billion per day. TKR is probably in the same tier, same with GoB. TCW, on the other hand, has this totally beautiful 5% tax rate.
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1 hour ago, Alex said:
He used stolen money which had to be returned per the Game Rules. It would hardly be fair to allow him to keep the benefits of the $500,000,000 he stole breaking the rules.
As for the Credits, I don't have a problem with that, but why isn't he making a post himself (why are you doing it?)
He is in VM after all, isn't he? If you want him to come and post here, I can ask him to come.
I also wish to highlight that he broke the rules not by stealing the Weebunism bank, but by going into VM after doing it, and that's not an explicit rule but the current rules interpretation. Bank theft, while highly frowned upon and disliked, is not forbidden by the game rules or the T&C.
And let us say, for instance, he bought the cities while outside of VM. Would the cities still be returned? Or, if he had correctly executed his bank heist and moved the bank into a dummy AA, then cleared out the bank by moving the dummy AA bank into a third alliance before hitting VM, you wouldn't have either deleted the cities or returned the bank.
I also wish to note that he could have achieved the stated request of "removing Weebunism's bank from the game" if he had deleted his nation after the theft, as deleting a nation is also something that can be done in VM.
But of course, I don't control piss face and I only tried helping him after we discovered that he had fled with the bank. I also contacted Weebunism afterwards to see if they wanted peace. It's not petty larceny in this case, but a political move.
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I do understand that every moderation action is a potential headache given the highly polarized state of this game. Whatever happens, one lynch mob or another will begin baying to the moon. I understand that refunding the credits is the path of least resistance, of course, but it might be at least reasonable to allow him to keep the cities he bought in VM, unless this is judged to be a bug.
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Tyrion, you're the newest member of the Adrienne Nizam Suicide Cult. Enjoy being used.
Regards,
A member of the Antoine Roquentin Suicide Cult.
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I've been getting phantom attacks wherein I attack someone but the attacks aren't calculated.
It's way better than the attacks being calculated.
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Piss Face spent 4 credits to enable him to buy 2 cities with Weebunism's stolen bank. These should be refunded.
I want to point out that Piss Face's buying of cities was 100% legal as it was permitted by the game mechanics. That he lost his 2 additional cities is somewhat unfair. Moreover, he spent credits to permit the purchase of the second city.
Either patch city buying (and other purchases while in VM) and refund credits or restore the cities.
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Reported around Wednesday Thursday update. Probably used contemporaneously with Nokia's discovery and piggy-backing off that.
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Except: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/virginia/vaedce/3:2016cv00853/353101/25/ (a civil case ruling that the action of a former employee remotely accessing the server is criminal).
I'll see what BK proper has to retort to this, if they choose to.
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Dial Up War: Propaganda
in Orbis Central
Posted · Edited by Inst
Are we really going to do this?