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Inst needs to stfu.

 

Good fight t$

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ITT people who have never watched a prison drama

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Warrrrr

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You're going to have to be more specific about the mercy killing Comrade Hoxha. Are you saying that anyone with a terminal illness should be able to choose to kill themselves at any point? Are there any other conditions? Also please bear in mind that very few illnesses are terminal until the late stages. I would consider an illness terminal when doctors begin end of life care, since they've given up hope of a cure. Usually by that point a patient has days or weeks to live anyway, and the moral cost if a doctor killing a patient (even with their consent) seems to high to me.

 

Hereno you failed to respond to any of my points. You stayed that the government should not make these sort of decisions for people, but the gave a list of conditions which would inevitably be enforced by the government. You then went on to say that if someone feels suicidal for 72 hours they should be allowed a doctor assisted suicide. Do you really think 72 hours of suicidal thoughts should be all it takes? Many people feel suicidal for 72 hours, and then live for many subsequent years. Should their period of deep depression and suicidal thoughts end it all for them? Making suicide easier might seem straightforward but it is an ethical minefield. Most people with prolonged suicidal thoughts do not successfully commit suicide, and later regret those thoughts. As a nation we should be aiming to keep those people alive long enough to get well, not encouraging them to die.

 

I can only assume nationalist is a troll. If he falls over and breaks a leg I'm sure it would be his wish for nobody to help him, so he can die of sepsis in a ditch.

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Lol, and you call this subjective? I'm pretty sure the "moral argument" is pretty subjective itself.

 

So, for both patients and their loved ones, real decisions are demanded: When do we stop doing all that we can do? When do we withhold which therapies and allow nature to take its course? When are we, through our own indecision and fears of mortality, allowing wondrous medical methods to perversely prolong the dying rather than the living? These intensely personal and socially expensive decisions should not be left to governments, judges or legislators better attuned to highway funding, but of course, I argue for "mercy killings".

 

But, I also believe we should help people that appear depress, so they could try and live a happy and constructive life. To generalize that every "depressed" person is on the verge of killing themself is over exaggerated, as some, not all, do it for attention. Depression can be overcomed, aslong as there's no mental issues prolonging it, which I DO believe a government should be able to intervene to help people. We shouldn't live in a society where we allow people to die, simply because they don't choose to out of bogus reasoning.

 

I agree that moral arguments are subjective, I'm not sure how that is a comeback to what I said. There's no such thing as "letting nature take its course". About four in five of us would die before adulthood in a world where nature took it's course. You're using a lot of emotive languages and displaying a fair degree of ignorance about mental health. I actually don't know from your post whether you're for or against euthanasia, which says it all really.

 

first and foremost i haven't really suggested anything, so i don't know what you're on about. but at the end of the day, that's why it really shouldn't be up to YOU to decide. it's their life. they have to live it. if they don't want to anymore, trying to force them to continue suffering so you can feel better about yourself and the system you work in is primarily selfish. for the most part, care for the mentally ill is patchy at best, and plenty of people have horror stories to tell about it if they do end up finally getting care.

 

i think it really sucks if people end up killing themselves but at least if you give them a way to, say, wait 72 hours and see if they still want to before doing it, you can let them die with dignity and not need to be cleaned up off of the pavement. the system already clearly has failed these people: just stop trying to control everything and let people do what they want. you should know that most suicides are more of a "i don't want to die but i'm not dealing with this shit anymore" type of thing, and that a lot of people who go to kill themselves end up trying to reverse it later on. there's no reason why we can't take these things into account to maximize the lives saved that could be saved while at the same time providing a real benefit to people. all you get by trying to force your way on people is people foregoing you entirely.

 

So your argument is that anyone who feels suicidal for 72 hours should be able to rock up to a hospital and a doctor will give them a lethal injection? Believe it or not if you rock up to a hospital now with suicidal tendencies they'll section you for you own safety, and the majority of people with suicidal thoughts have them sporadically and for varying periods of time. I've known patients to have suicidal thoughts, be sectioned for trying to kill themselves, spend a week as an inpatient, and then go for years or decades without another attempt. Managing suicidal tendencies is a challenge for tens of thousands of people in the UK alone.

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Kemal stats:

 

Infantry killed: 1.9m

Tanks killed: 53k

Planes killed: 8750

Ships killed: 650

 

Caecus stats:

Infantry killed: 338k

Tanks killed: 12k

Aircraft killed: 957

Ships killed: 124

 

Considering Kemal is considerably lower in score and 3 months younger than your nation, it seems like he has far more experience of war, and thus is in a much better position to comment than you are. Would probably be faster and more painless just to delete all your armies than to do it the hard way.

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where implemented you usually can't just be like "okay kill me" and 15 minutes later you're dead

 

you have to be of sound mind, etc.

 

also, obligatory "talking about this as though it is a hypothetical when we've seen it done and it worked just fine"

"Just fine" is very subjective. The Saudis think their system works just fine. Doesn't mean you would think so.

 

Sound mind is a very ambiguous and difficult to define term, speaking as someone with a experience in mental health (working, not a patient). For example, can someone who has been living with pain for many years be considered to be entirely rational? Can someone under the age of 18 consent? What if someone has dementia or a similar degradation of the mind? If you are judged to not be of sound mind, can that be overturned later? If so what implications does that have for the reverse situation? Does severe and long lasting mental health problems (such as depression) not constitute a life of unbearable pain? Certainly patients think so, since a majority of patients who have a history of suicide attempts (as opposed to something spontaneous) will be known to mental health services and probably have a diagnosis.

 

As I said in my first post, the "perfect" example of someone at a late stage of a terminal illness who wants to die with dignity represents a tiny fraction of the people who are currently considering suicide. What you're suggesting isn't legalising assisted suicide, it's medical termination of palliative care patients.

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It's a very difficult moral problem. Apart from the fact you'd struggle to find doctors and nurses who would do it, not all cases are as clear as the man in permanent agony or with locked in syndrome or whatever. There are a lot of suicidal people out there who feel at various times that life isn't worth living and they want to die. Right now our culture is geared towards supporting them in living a happy and full life. I'm not sure that changing that culture to one where we have suicide as a sanctioned and approved option is a change which would help their care.

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I just never decom. I'm a threat to world peace!

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Embarrassing

 

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I see a lot of words, someone let me know when the time to use steamrollers comes.

 

Hail t$ o7

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Glory to the God Emperor

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I'm a member of the working class by any measure. Unless being liberal and educated excludes me- again I think you're generalising this idea that a majority of working class people think like you. Guess what, they don't.

 

 

You're just a Naziophobe and a bigot. 

Generalizing an entire group like that is wrong. 

 

I'm guessing you think most KKK members were also stand up guys.

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Okayyy I'm done with the crazy in this thread. Between Rozalia's madcap schemes to involuntarily evict all muslims from their homes and forcefully disperse them according to government relocation programs to Clarke defending the rank and file of the Nazi party as "good people" the crazy in this thread is off the charts.

 

BTW poor does not equal uneducated. For most of my life I have been "poor" but education is thankfully something you can access for free and school and in public libraries.

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Feeling any other way would be hypocritical since most Nazis were good people, only a minority were extremists.

It would be like blaming the people of Saudi Arabia for the minority at the top who are extremists.

 

The fact of the matter is only a minority is ever bad so we shouldn't blame the majority.

I think you're confusing Germans with Nazis.

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Luckily no person like that exists except maybe those who blame all the Nazi's.

Yeh, I feel super sorry for the good Nazis.

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Poor attempt. But nice try.

What is inaccurate about my time line summary? My impression was that Mensa went to a higher state of alert in reaction to the buildup in Spartan allies. I wasn't aware of, but am hardly surprised, that t$ responded to the buildup by making plans about the upcoming war.

 

As far as I'm aware, we're all stood down following the Spartan fiasco being revealed. Your post just raises further tensions.

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From what I can tell the order of events was

>alpha badmouths t$ to everyone who will listen

>massive buildup in alpha etc

>t$ guys discuss with allies how to respond to expected incoming attack

>military buildup revealed to be due to the test/sparta thing

>logs released about a defence strategy which now would never have happened.

["True" Islam]

Your views aren't commonly held, they're just stupid. I thought I'd made that clear. All you do is post about how much you hate Islam, in thread after thread. Islam and immigrants, by which I think it's clear you mean muslims. Occasionally you'll post about something you see as "liberal" like polyamory or bestiality (lol) to try and "prove" you're not a fascist. It's as if being ok with gay people getting married balances out your statements that muslims should be dispersed to re-education camps. 

["True" Islam]

Blah blah, today I'm new labour, you change your mind daily. Fact is your arguments are an assorted bag of rubbish akin to that of the pub drunk, and your constant attacks on islam are both boring and repetitive. You should go post about how polyamorous relationships with two dogs and a sheep should be legalised or something.

["True" Islam]

Your views are straight out of the school of hard knocks, the university of life, with a postgraduate degree in "what some guy told me in a pub".

 

Honestly if I was to go and pour enough beer into any of the old duffers in my pub back home, they'd be breathing fumes over me, talking about immigrants, muslims, and how much they love their dog. I don't think your views are new or exciting, they're just typical. And no, believe it or not the fact you don't hate gays doesn't make you a liberal. It makes you someone who doesn't hate gays. It's all the rest of your ridiculous/abhorrent views that make you the laughing stock of this forum.

["True" Islam]

You're literally contradicting yourself within your own post...

 

"This was not criticising Muslims or Islam, it was criticising fellows like yourself"

 

"the point of the thread... is not to find what is the "correct version" of Islam, but to show up as nonsense the notion that "true" Islam is some magical nebulous tolerant Islam"

 

Direct contradiction.

 

"The actual tolerant Muslims I'm in full favour of and would like an environment where they can exist safely"

 

"Apparently it's some nebulous "Liberal and tolerant" Islam but where is this Islam exactly? Which one are we talking about exactly? I'm sure Muslims like Abu and Moreau III can agree with me that it's all a bunch of twaddle."

"The "true" Islam the Liberals preach about doesn't exist."

"this fantasy version of Islam conjured up is nonsense"

 

Direct contradiction - you want to protect people you don't believe exist.

 

 

Let's face it, this is the millionth shitty thread you've made where you go on about Moose Limbs, PC gone mad, What Will They Think Of Next, Back in My Day etc. It's pretty shitty having it on the forums at all, but at least confine your criticism of the many aspects of Islam you hate to one thread. 

["True" Islam]

You misunderstand the point of the thread. The point is not to find what is the "correct version" of Islam, but to show up as nonsense the notion that "true" Islam is some magical nebulous tolerant Islam. What I ask is where that Islam is exactly, what particular brand of Islam are they talking about.

This sums it up perfectly actually, in your own words. You think Islam is all about blowing up Paris and raping sex slaves and beheading infidels, and you hate it. So you post lots of threads about how you hate it and how liberals are all blind to the fact islam is an evil plague ruining Europe and we're all going to end up in Eurabia. Give it a rest for God's sake.

["True" Islam]

It's just another blah blah I hate islam blah blah if there's so many interpretations which one is right blah blah troll bait blah blah.

 

I did read your op, I've seen you post the same shit in a load of other threads. You just can't let it go, so every thread you make has essentially the same theme. It's boring and repetitive. Instead of posting new islam threads all the time, just make a single thread and keep your rubbish in that.