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    Peace in our Time

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    3 hours ago, Mayor said:

    I'm sure everyone is really impressed by Syndicate standing behind Rose, TKR, Grumpy, Guardian and many others while taunting and trying to provoke people. In fact this entire treaty screams to me "All talk, no balls." since that is quite literally what it is. If your alliance was not utterly emasculated by this point then this treaty would not have been signed.

    More talk, even less balls.

    Oh how the mighty have fallen

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    12 hours ago, Mayor said:

    Parti was calling Rose pitiful in the thread a bit ago, but yeah tS really has been subjugated by Rose at this point for sure.

    Daddy Rose has always been good to us. They have always been our staunch allies against our many pitiful enemies.

    The Problem with Ronny's META™ (Poll included)

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    12 hours ago, Jacob Knox said:

    There has rarely been a case in history where contrarianism and challenging the established order have not led to something good.

    I'm as big a fan of contrarianism and challenging the established order as the next guy (perhaps even more so) but examples of the nature you describe are most definitely not rare. Just from the top of my head, the French revolution is an excellent example of contrarianism and challenging the established order and it most certainly led to some pretty dark, nasty and brutal things happening. Some good things might have come along as a result as well but unfortunately that doesn't erase all the bad things that happened.

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    An Appeal to The Syndicate

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    On 1/25/2022 at 4:47 PM, namukara said:

    Another way in which T$ can be compared to the NPO is in regard to the utter contempt it shows for its allies.

    I think this has been adequately addressed by now however I do hope that the comments made by our actual (and former) allies about our relationships might make you reconsider.

     

    On 1/25/2022 at 9:02 PM, Jacob Knox said:

    So you're retort is admitting to being bad and basically saying "I don't care, because we can do what we want." That is literally some of the worst logic that exists in this world and it's sad to see anyone resort to it.

    The logic is perfectly sound, I just take a hard line stance against any external interference meant to affect how t$ conducts its foreign affairs. I generally agree with Partisan in this post:

     

    Our way of doing politics or doing FA is just more interesting. Taking that away would make the game far more dull, flavorless and uninteresting. If all alliances in the game did politics the same way, trying to be honorable and so on, things would just get boring. We need good guys and bad guys and I think we're far more suited for the role of the bad guy, as I mentioned before. This is my personal point of view and while some in t$ may share it or parts of it, there are clearly plenty of other t$ members who take a more conciliatory tone, as evidenced by this thread. Taking a hard stance against what you might call foreign interference doesn't mean I can't be reasonable. If you find my stance to be morally bad, that I might agree with. However, it's not "bad logic" if your goal is what I outlined above.

     

    On 1/25/2022 at 10:03 PM, Zed said:

    It is not based on a year like 2015 when we mostly fought defensive undermanned wars. People like to talk about how we only fight “dogpiles”, and forget that much of our old mentality is forged from having to be under the gun for that long. It is part of the shock that haunted me from Git Gud Friday and wanting any way out of the madness. It is not also a perception based on the creation of Treasure Island, Ground Zero, or surviving an 8v1 throw the kitchen sink hit during Git Gud Friday.

    I think this is an important point to make in terms of explaining how our mentality was forged. I remember time and time again having to fight spheres that were larger and more powerful than we were, every time thinking we were going to get hammered. And then, miraculously, we won and kept winning. The feeling at the time from what I recall was one of resignation to anticipated defeat rather than any kind of frustration or annoyance about being "dogpiled". We figured we were going to lose anyway so we might as well give it all we had. So we did, and it turned out to be enough. This is one of the reasons I feel very little sympathy when people say they're getting dogpiled. The other reason is, like Ataxia mentioned in his post, that dogpiles are sometimes necessary in order to win or in order to accomplish the goals of the war. These things are more important than any sense of justice or fairness and I don't think it's unreasonable for us to do what is most beneficial to our alliance.

     

    On 1/26/2022 at 1:53 AM, EliteCanada said:

    I think Jessica Rabbit would be disappointed in what tS has become and how they have conducted themselves this war and of late. I was in tS for years, albeit inactive for much of it, and I know I am disappointed.

    When was the last time you actually talked to someone who's currently t$ about the state of the alliance?

     

    On 1/26/2022 at 4:31 AM, Darth Ataxia said:

    Beyond its hyperbolic nature, it continues to show that we have yet to recognize the difference between NPO actions that were actually wrong and NPO actions that we just didn’t like.

    This is a really good and important point. It's important to realize the difference between the two as you outlined above. I would argue that while t$ has certainly done things people don't like (obviously), we have't done anything that is actually wrong. The problem is when people make this comparison they generally seem to be comparing things t$ does that they just don't like with things NPO did that were actually wrong or at least they fail to make the distinction.

     

    On 1/26/2022 at 4:31 AM, Darth Ataxia said:

    If one sees propaganda and spin, it falls on opposing parties to combat it and provide their own propaganda and spin. This is something that has fallen by the wayside in recent years and been replaced by people who are unwilling to engage in this type of FA, to everyone’s general detriment. If your own unwillingness to spit out spin and rhetoric is something you have trouble with, please consult with your doctor. Now of course, t$ can certainly change their rhetoric styles if they so choose from something you consider deplorable to something you may consider to be more happy go lucky or something, but that doesn't negate the fact that they will still be putting out spin or propaganda and pushing view contrary to other people.

    Another good point and it sort of backs up what I've been saying. We certainly could change our "rhetoric styles" to something different if we wanted to but we're really under no obligation to do so. I agree that it would be to everyone's general detriment and that it's a shame more people don't engage us with their own propaganda and spin. I think we would all be far more entertained if more of us dared to be dastardly. It's not for everyone though and I respect that. Takes all kinds.

     

    On 1/26/2022 at 5:38 AM, Buorhann said:

    So ask yourself this, why do members of the community view Syndicate as toxic and/or their closest comparison is NPO?  What's causing that perspective?

    I think the wrongful use of that comparison has already been talked about plenty. I will only add that I don't think we really need to be concerned about how people who don't know what they're talking about view our alliance when we know the truth of things. Maybe people need to stop listening to people who are simply uninformed or misled.

     

    On 1/26/2022 at 7:24 AM, Jacob Knox said:

    Both sides have their shortcomings—as you surely must admit some of the posts by tS folks here have been less than savory and only further support points asserted by Horsecock et al—but I see some who are genuinely engaging in discussion and major debate, which is an encouraging sign.

    Well, there you see a dichotomy of t$. Frankly, his points are mostly invalid and the post is unsavory to begin with. It deserved an unsavory response. It's nothing personal, just business.

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    An Appeal to The Syndicate

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    Frankly, if this was your effort to rationally convince someone to change, you really struck the wrong note by comparing us to NPO. Some would dismiss what you have to say solely as a result of such an insult.

    My friends, you all need to understand that we don’t really have to do anything you want us to do. We are under no obligation to conform to your silly ideas of integrity or honor. I can’t speak for all of t$ but to me, those ideals mean next to nothing. All we must do is whatever we want to do, damn the consequences. What is the point of any of this we can't do what we want to do? I don’t see why any of us should be concerned with any of your opinions on anything related to us for a single second, unless that's something we wanted to do. I mean, what are you going to do, roll us? Go ahead, we'll be back. I've been in t$ for the vast majority of the last 6-7 years. We have persisted and will persist longer than any of your fickle opinions.
     

    10 hours ago, Horsecock said:

    Here's the problem: You habitually and aggressively dispatch your keyboard warriors (most of which are current or former high gov members) to every public "forum", be it this one or any major Discord server, in an effort to control the public conversation, spread your own spin and propaganda, and drown out the spectrum of nuanced opinions from all the other people. Both they and your FA leader's public announcements make use of the full arsenal of all the most toxic and disingenuous methods of political drama: Gaslighting, blatant hypocrisy, bare-faced lies and misrepresentation, malicious accusations, paranoia, conspiracy theories, self-entitled boasting, and of course simple flaming and insults. In fact, they do little else. That is the most common behaviour I and many others have seen from t$ over the past year or so. I could compile a long list of public shitstorms that t$ has sometimes caused, always amplified, and often taken centre stage in. At the same time, you act disproportionally insulted and outraged any time someone makes a negative remark about your own alliance. Unlike the vast majority of even small alliances, you seem to conduct yourself with a complete disregard for moral integrity, I'd go so far as to say even a complete disregard for personal honour and honour of your alliance. Of course this shapes the way your alliance is perceived and judged by others, and to pretend otherwise would be evidence of profound social ineptitude.

    Well, you’re not entirely wrong. We're guilty of much of what you’ve listed above. But really, we don’t need you to like us. We don’t need you to approve of our conduct. Like I said, we need to keep doing what we like to do. If that involves gaslighting, malicious accusations, misrepresentations and so on, so be it. To me, this is just politics. If you can’t handle it, sucks for you. Git gud. If you want to concern yourselves with personal honor or the honor of your alliance, go right ahead. Don’t expect us to do the same. Our values are not your values. We don't play by your rules. We have no obligation to be “the good guys”. In fact, we’re probably better off playing an entirely different role. I am content with being the bad guy. Hate us all you want.

    10 hours ago, Horsecock said:

    While these behaviours were present in t$ gov for some time before that, they only became intolerable after the most recent resignation of Partisan. I had a lot of respect for Partisan's style and mentality, even if I did not share it. But he did actually try to talk and act with the purpose of making the game more enjoyable, and he put a very presentable public face onto your alliance. When he left, that veneer of moral integrity dropped, and t$ seems to have lost any temperance in controlling, and self-awareness of, how you conduct yourselves in public. You're not the only alliance that likes to dogpile, and you're not the only alliance that is afraid of getting rolled. But you ARE the only alliance that doesn't really even try to hide just how fragile your egos and just how petty your methods and motives really are.

    Moral integrity? What moral integrity? That’s news to me. As for dog piling, a wise man once wrote that if the battle cannot be won, do not fight it. But afraid of getting rolled? Ridiculous. I’ve burnt and rebuilt more infrastructure and military forces while fighting for t$ over the last few years than many of you have ever built to begin with and I’d burn it all a thousand times over again. I know for a fact that many others in t$ share this mentality. Sure, we may not like it when our revenues start to decline, as is natural in an alliance with a theme like t$. But there isn’t a culture of pixelhugging. It really doesn’t matter how many times we burn, it can all be rebuilt.

    Fragile egos? Our egos are grand and magnificent. Golden, perfect, pristine. If anything, you’re stroking my ego by giving us so much attention. Keep it up. As for our methods, we have nothing to hide. I’m surprised it never occurred to you that your opinion and similar opinions are the desired response.
     

    10 hours ago, Horsecock said:

    Do you really just want your wars to be as cheap as possible and never to even cause meaningful damage to your enemies, other than by dogpiling them when it's easy? You don't even want to be taken seriously anymore, in terms of competence, military might or even honour? Barring actual cheating, this is quite possibly the most pathetic display I've seen from any major alliance, ever.

    Again, we don’t really have to care what you think. As far as I’m concerned, you should consider yourselves lucky if we even deign to consider your opinion for a minute. I won’t pretend to be honorable just to look good, just to make other people approve. The only people who need to approve of t$’ actions are people in t$.

    10 hours ago, Horsecock said:

    Please, t$, if you have any modicum of self-respect or concern for the health of the game left, I urge you to rethink your entire mindset. Reverse this escalating course of childish behaviour, and try to become the great alliance you once were. The whole game would thank you for it. If you continue on your current trajectory, then I strongly suspect that this game's community will increasingly respect or even tolerate you less and less. People are judged on their actions, and no one else ever cares about what you personally feel you are entitled to.

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    [DoW] The Dance Card

    in Alliance Affairs

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    Look, war is fun and all but did you guys have to start it on a Sunday? You know I have work in the morning, right? I get up at 5 am and Sunday is the Lord's day! This is what I get for thinking this was a Christian game.

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    [DoW] A Grumpy Old Bastard's Declaration of War

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    10 minutes ago, Hodor said:

    As for the efforts to move past this, I think SRD said it best, you punched us in the nose and then immediately were like, "okay, NOW we are good", but we've made it clear that we are not good with that. You'll find no bullshit in Grumpy, we've been straight about this from the get go.

    Well, I think we're gonna need a few more punches after this until we're good. Maybe a headbutt or two as well. I hope that's clear and candid enough for you so you know what to expect.

    [DoW] A Grumpy Old Bastard's Declaration of War

    in Alliance Affairs

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    8 hours ago, Buorhann said:

    However, Syndicate always finds a way or reason to initiate on Grumpy.

    And now they straight up gave us another reason! Really convenient. I'm already looking forward to next time. Not that this isn't entertaining enough, mind you.

     

    23 minutes ago, Justin076 said:

    However, since the summer The Syndicate has made an effort to put differences aside and move on with the hopes of preventing extended polarity and a perpetual state of tension and conflict between our two sides.

    Screw that! Let's have extended polarity! Let's have a perpetual state of tension! I choose it, they clearly chose it, let's just go for it. Grumpy vs. Syndicate every 6 months for the next decade, at least. No respite. I am down to clown. War is peace, you buttlicking !@#$pigs.

     

    6 hours ago, Mayor said:

    Coming from you guys that is rich. Every war tS cries and moans about some little insignificant thing and tries to make a big deal about it before dogpiling and trying to act morally superior. Seriously tho, if there was a time to disband tS and your shitty little slave bloc then that time has long passed. Seeing you people cling to a once great alliance is pathetic and sad. No wonder Partisan left the game, probably was difficult to watch.

    Lmfao, try harder dude. You can do it, I know you can.

    [DoW] I Mean It

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    10 hours ago, Arln said:

    I used to think t$ was honorable back in the day but then TKR left quack and this is the syndicate we have now. Sad. 

    What makes you think that we ever tried to be honorable or ever saw being honorable as a good thing?

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