[High Court of Thalmoria: Thalmoria v. Alan]

21 hours ago, Buorhann said:

You go to Jail.

You forgot the most important part : Do not pass go, do not collect 200$.

[4 Year Anniversary, Yay]

1 minute ago, Chute Mi said:

already getting spyops smh

Poor ass not worth my time. 😢

 

You successfully gathered intelligence about United Republic of Japan. Your spies discovered that United Republic of Japan has 60 spies, $2,714,885.08, 0.00 coal, 187.75 oil, 1,264.13 uranium, 0.00 lead, 0.42 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 49.02 gasoline, 25.77 munitions, 127.00 steel, 75.20 aluminum, and 365,507.53 food. Your agents were caught and identified by United Republic of Japan's counter-intelligence forces. The operation cost you $14,549.23 and 0 of your spies were captured and executed.

[Global War 28 Tiering Report]

I always appreciate how much work hidudes puts into these sheets. Thanks Hidude.

[GW 28 meme thread]

 

[[DoW] Reforming Paragon]

[[DoW] ODOO Tournament in Florida]

12 hours ago, CaesarGorandius said:

So you are going to let Guardian get !@#$ed by that coalition twice from both sides?

Glad we dumped y'all before then.

No one deserves this. 

[Unpopular Opinions Thread]

Orange man good.

[Nuclear Meltdowns (More "Event" Suggestions Welcome!)]

if we're going down that rabbit hole then weather effects such as Tornados, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Locust swarms and the like could fall under the same umbrella. The problem would be what kind of effects the first 3 would take as in real life those would cause infrastructure damages and that's not someone anyone would particularly enjoy. Locust swarms would fall under a famine thing would could be used to either A) lower food production in a nation producing it, or B ) cause a nations daily food consumption to increase which might work quite well.

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

2 hours ago, darkblade said:

 Uh oh, looks like a millennial is getting triggered because I called them out. I'm so scared. According to Daveth's post, he was looking for House Stark to send someone to help out TF, and they offered to send a low gov Econ to help out. And when your argument is that Krampus was busy with college and then go on a rant about how House Stark doesn't understand how much time and money people spend to go to college as your argument, that is emotional manipulation 101, and I'm not even a psychologist. And when you try to call Darth out for using IRL, the difference between him and Krampus is that he focused on IRL, not that hard to understand. I find it funny that you're saying I should calm down when you're malding pretty hard. Maybe you should calm down, play some Trounced, maybe make some memes, and then come back to me when you're ready.

Ataxia posted a reply to the ROH, I debated his points. Your hyper focusing on 2 sentences of the middle of my post and making this discussion into an OOC thing. That was not even close to the main part of my post. Also despite Daveth sharing an image showing WE approached THEM about getting HS econ involved less then a few minute's later your publicly lying to everyone that reads this thread that it was somehow the other way around. Edit: this no longer applies as darkblade corrected himself with his own edit.

Also if I wanted a parrot I'd buy one and teach it to mimic myself in a much more amusing manner, not that this isn't amusing. Since clearly you have no intention to actually contribute to the discussion and are more interested in tarnishing myself with accusations of OOC I don't believe there's any reason to engage any further. I didn't say those things about taking a break to be condescending nor was it meant to be insulting, I was giving genuine advice as it's obvious those 2 sentences you've taken issue with hit a nerve which clearly was not my intention as I was never replying to you in the first place. 

Finally as I mentioned before I decided to engage to make things more interesting and because I don't believe in HS's CB but I think there's good discussion to be had. Telling me I'm malding because I decided to engage on the forums and help bring some life to the game is just not correct. And since you started replying I've only defended myself from your frankly disgusting claims. I'd also point out that you just agreed with Daveth after about crossing a line and now your back peddling with me a post later? You know what, keep going please I suppose this is one way of entertainment for the forums too although I won't be engaging any further unless you can keep it IC.

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

Just now, darkblade said:

House Stark has already done a great job of destroying your RoH. So there's no reason for me to go and out of my way to defend them. However, I find it hilarious that you consider emotional manipulation "good forum discussions". I bet Krampus has a lot on his plate and I wish him luck and hope he get's the big fat degree he deserves, but I also feel sorry for him that his own members are trying to use his IRL situation as a college student to try and push an agenda in a nation simulator.

I think you've had enough internet for one day. This is not even close to emotional manipulation. Leave it to a gen Z SJW to go full well SJW. I told you that I was pointing out a double standard, which is true. The focus on that part of the post was moreso asking why at the creation of said bank there wasn't an active participant from HS and OWR present or if there even was one at some point. You went full emotional posting accusing me of emotional manipulation and attacking my ability to read after I accused you of not fully reading my own post(contextually different), which at this point you've still failed to comprehend the point of what I brought up. I think it's better for you if you go take a break before replying again when your in a more calm place in your mind. I would be much happier to engage you in meaningful discussion on the rest of my post rather than you trying to take the focus off of the actual in game points I made. 

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

Just now, darkblade said:

You clearly can't read lmao. When Darth mentioned why he went inactive, he actually focused on IRL instead of trying to make a deal without knowing what the stock value was worth. Maybe you need to go back to school and learn how to read again.

If that's the only point in the entire post you can dispute go ahead and move along as it's not indictive to the good forum discussions we've been having here. I'm simply helping to provide orbis with the entertainment that players keep pointing out is lacking. "You should be ashamed of yourself" for discouraging this kind of constructive discussion. 

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

Just now, darkblade said:

Trying to use Krampus's education as an excuse for why he failed to do his job and then trying to guilt trip House Stark over it is such a joke lmao. If Krampus didn't have time to do his job as the CEO of TF, then he should have stepped down and have someone else who had the time and dedication do it. Making that 8 billion dollar offer even if he was busy with exams is still on CTO. And before you try to tell me I have no idea what it's like to be a college student, I'm about to be a junior in college myself, so I know what's it's like having to multi-task different things and having to give up on certain projects in the pursuit of my education. So you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to play the guilt card.

It's hilarious the point went completely over your head. Ataxia said in the same post that Krampus' education wasn't a good enough excuse and then proceeded to say he was busy with his own IRL stuff. I was pointing out hypocrisy of him saying it isn't okay when Krampus does it but it's okay for him. Maybe read the full post before replying with this type of nonsense lmao. 

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

Just now, Darth Ataxia said:

Before I make a few points, allow me to stress that @Darth Revanwill be offering our primary response to this otherwise laughable attempt to justify lying and reneging on your word. Kudos on being willing to post an RoH and attempt to argue back against the claims brought against Carthago. I would hope more alliances take note and follow your lead, albeit with more accuracy. 

You deserve a second kudos in addition to the first for this appears to be the first RoH that I'm aware of that supports the case of the attacking party rather than disparaging or weakening it.

That's not entirely true at all. We have offered you the proper amount, you rejected that offer and while I understand where your frustration stems it's clear you jumped the gun and weren't interested in getting the full story as of the most recent discussions.

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This would be a strong argument had Daveth not followed up two days later to assure us that payments would begin. Additionally the eight billion over eight months offer was the second offer amounting to eight billion. Please see our Statement of Facts points, 45 and 41 respectively. Krampus being in exam season is irrelevant given that he engaged in a meaningful manner and made an offer amounting to eight billion, twice. Exam season does not meet the bar for offer invalidation when these offers occur and then another Carthago member follows up to let us know payments would begin "asap". Thank you for assisting us in proving our first claim against you! "CTO knowingly backed out on the agreement between CTO and HS regarding the 8 billion paid over 8 months that was agreed to on February 8, 2023...."

The problem here is Krampus didn't take the time to do the math and his communication with you was somewhat poor that's definitely the biggest issue here. What he should have told you is that he may not have the time currently to look over the documents and to please get back to him after his Exam season was done. I'd also point out that it's frustrating your not understanding of how important education is and the value that these students pay large sums of money to be in school so they can get a good job or in a field they'll enjoy working in. We should all be on the same page when it comes to prioritizing aspects of real life. Let's also not forget that you conveniently forgot about this bank for 3 months after Nexus disbanded and I'd also question how, what and why the bank became what it was in the first place.

From my understanding OWR, HS, and CTO all contributed to opening this exclusively for their own members so my question here is why was the CEO position not a joint venture and everything left in Krampus' hands. I find it somewhat irresponsible of you to not have had your own representative as part of the venture to help keep track of these documents as well, Krampus does bear some blame but so do you and this response after 11 months from you is like your trying to say your blameless. As Roberts said 'disjointed attempts at collection/resolution' You bear at least 50% of the responsibility as communication is a 2-way street.

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Secondly, this post, in and of itself supports our fourth and fifth claims against you. This is the first time we are seeing any of this information despite asking about it a number of times and certainly the first time we are seeing it since you backed out on the deal that was made. Additionally, as you graciously point out, the bank was mismanaged to such an extent that it apparently lost a ton of capital, all without a peep from the CEO. Assuming that the numbers provided are accurate, this information was also never provided to HS upon request and clearly shows mismanagement at the least. "CTO, through Krampus, has mismanaged The Foundation generally through lack of staff, not updating documents, policies, or channels, not providing systems for Stakeholders to safely and adequately withdraw their investments...." and "CTO has refused to allow other Stakeholders to view bank documents that they have a right to access or would show that CTO has been conducting business in a foul fashion under the excuse that HS was looking to divest from the bank, ignoring the fact that HS had not yet divested from the bank....." Again, thank you for further justifying some of our claims!

It's true that Krampus should have been more forthright with giving you the necessary info assuming your telling the truth and this isn't just another attempt of you covering up your lack of communication from your end as well so I'll give you that but this also leads back into my second point above. Again why was there no HS/OWR representatives as part of said joint venture with access to said documents. I feel like it's only right for 3 parties with 30% ownership to have someone with a hand in what's going on instead of relying entirely on Krampus and then putting 100% of the blame on him. I really don't understand why you believe someone that runs RON, this bank, is high gov in CTO and goes to university has the time to do everything everyday like this, there's a finite amount of time within a day and splitting the load only makes sense. This is all 3 alliances fault for placing everything on the shoulders of 1 player.

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We claimed our 2.6 mil shares at the last reported share price by the CEO. Krampus made clear in his statements that OWR's shares were not split to HS and CTO but added to the bank capital. Of course, this is just an excuse for CTO to pocket OWR's money and gains. This is claim is just a lie, plain and simple. Please refer to the Statement of Facts.

 

This entire statement reeks of "We want our 2.6B and we want half of OWR's money as well" I don't need to say anything else about it as this entire statement reeks of greed. 

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Based on this date, I was with my wife while she was in labor. Apologies on not having Krampus' business acumen to make business deals while otherwise occupied. Had I made a business deal though, I understand that I would be held to it.  

That's interesting. So it's okay when real life obstructs you but not okay when it does Krampus. Do I really need to point out how hypocritical that is? Congrats on the baby though but if it's not a good enough excuse for Krampus neither should it be for you by your own admission and needless to say that's disappointing going by your logic.

 

The bottom line is it's disingenuous of you to put all of the blame on CTO for this 11 month slog where

1. You forgot about it after Nexus broke up for a full 3 months.

2. Both sides clearly communicated within those next 8 months poorly.

3. Refused the 2.6B payment and left us on read because you didn't like that it wasn't the initial 8B which was a gross miscalculation & again poor communication from both sides.

4. From the creation of said 'bank' you didn't have anyone from your alliance involved with documentation. Very irresponsible of you frankly.

5. Decided not to bother ever bringing this to Piggies attention and just assumed she knew everything about the on goings of this private venture between HS-CTO-OWR. And before you say "we were told to talk to Krampus/Jax" your an independent leader of an independent alliance, stop acting like a puppet listening to what A and B say if nothing is happening and actually try option C first.

6. The constant flip-flopping for 8 months between interest and disinterest. You had enough interest that you wanted your money but not enough to be apart of it sounds pretty sus from where I'm standing. Also demanding part of OWR's share when you didn't put any of the work in from your end? No, your not entitled to OWR's shares at all. Imagine having a job, not showing up for a week and expecting to get paid for the work you didn't do. 

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

52 minutes ago, Hobbs said:

I love how the title of this is Carthago's Guide for Dummies: Finance 101 while giving us a spreadsheet of just how terribly managed their finances were when they approached us with an offer. 

I love how HS can't accept that human error exists when it comes to math and instead of attempting to reciprocate when informed of said human error they draw the line at the shiny 8B error figure instead then make a power point presentation of 90ish 'points' which insists they exhausted all options.. except actually talking to the current leader of CTO.🙄

[[DOW] Words are Wind, War is Winter.]

4 hours ago, CaptainPenguin said:

You caught us. 

Heinous acts like this should be frowned upon to the highest degree. Orbis should roll you as a whole but everyone else is too busy playing D4 to pay attention. Heinous and brilliant. Good show. 😭

[[ROH] Carthago's Guide For Dummies: Finance 101]

1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

So it sounds like you need to go call your allies to defend you, rather than declare neutrality.

 

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[[DOW] Words are Wind, War is Winter.]

Smh this is clearly an 11 month conspiracy, House Stark knew Diablo 4 was about to be released and they planned this 11 months ago to distract and steal my time away from playing so they could get ahead in killing Diablo.😭

[[DoW] It's Payday Fellas]

1 hour ago, JtTeE said:

It has come to our attention that another alliance has suffered at the hands of greedy capitalist banks. This time, our ally, House Stark was robbed of 8 billion dollars by the bank known as The Foundation. The people behind this scheme? It's non other than Krampus and his alliance, Carthago.
It's time that Orbis truly understands that no bank can be trusted, for The Foundation to collapse under their own capitalist greed, and most importantly, for House Stark to get their payday.
Guardian declares war on Carthago to get a payday

Additional: As requested, after some deliberation with a third party. In order to keep the war as "fair" as possible. We've elected to only have 24 of our nations declare offensive wars. The others in our alliance will not declare offensive wars unless CTO hits the other nations not initially involved in the conflict, at which point they are also free to join. Please find a helpful list:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NUHU45AyD6pY2Go-cfHAQcxgyFZw6ZsG_SCuhTHomoY/edit?usp=sharing

If you wanted to be 'fair' why not go to 0250 military before declaring too? 🙄

[[Peace] End of the Witch Trials]

public FA wins again.

[New Project Discussion]

32 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

So instead you want to make a whale project that just makes us even harder to kill?  This is obviously what it is, as only whales could afford it.  It already takes 2-3 months of peace to pick up a new city, losing 5% income adds maybe a week at most to that timer, I would pick that up in a heartbeat.

Sorry I should have made it clear not to focus too much on any of the actual numbers behind the idea but the idea itself. That 5% could be a 10% income decrease or instead of a 10% increase to buys only a 2.5% increase. The focus I was trying to bring across is to add projects that have positive and negative effects but can't be completely ignored like military salvage.

[New Project Discussion]

The game needs more military based projects to help balance the amount of econ related projects, the biggest problem right now is it's easy to get all the military projects and have tons of excess project slots to add in all the best econ related projects which maximize a nations efficiency, adding in military projects to force players to decide between military vulnerability over econ maximization can help to balance out where the game stands.

Example Project

Project Name: National Draft
Project Requirements: Propaganda Bureau, International Trade Center, Urban Planning, C30+
Project Cost: 50M, 150k Muni, 150k Gas, 2M Food, 150k Steel, 150k Alum
Project Effect: Increases daily buys 10%, +1 spy per day, It does not increase your caps on these units, or affect Missile, Nuclear Weapon. -5% Commerce.

Projects like this force usage of project slots like ITC which increase commerce to over 100%, this lowers the effectiveness of ITC, uses an extra project slot and increases military function for nations during wartime which will be a necessity. The idea would be to balance econ and wartime rather than just the pure econ we keep getting added onto the game that just effectively make whales more efficient with their own growth. Note : don't take the project cost too seriously, it's just a placeholder it's the effect of the project that's important in the above example.

[GW 27 Discussion]

Just now, KindaEpicMoah said:

Who paid you to write this?

I can't reveal my sources as that would void the said payment. 3 cities and a moon landing here I come. 🙏

[GW 27 Discussion]

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1. Which alliance fought the best this war? Why?

Paradise but I'd like to highlight other alliances that have been putting in good performances.

1. Dark Brotherhood is pulling their weight well for the 2nd war in a row, what's great about this is that they're showing consistency so the performance in Bifrost was clearly not just a 1 and done type of thing. Good show

2. I can't remember the last time House Stark fought, but clearly they're not entirely rusty. 

3. Bourbon Street actually has higher unit kills than both HS and DB, so shoutout there too.

4. The Fighting Pacifists, huge points for fighting on 2 fronts for awhile. Ballsy of them.

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2. Which alliance fought the worse this war? Why?

No one has been standout bad in comparison to previous wars. Even UPN & LoD have some positives to take out of their wars.

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3. Did any alliance improve this war or perform worse?

For improvements I'll be biased and say CTO, at the same time we could have been much better in some area's. Room for improvement.

For worse I'm going to say all of Midgard. Most of their C30+ tier had opportunities to rebuild to max or near multiple times to our detriment and despite the abundance of nations that was able to do this most just sat back and waited for their beiges to expire while we slotted them and pulled them back to 0 multiple times, squandering the possibility to come out on their own terms, co-ordinate and pull down our smaller nations between C20-25. 

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4. Who was the biggest winner out of the war? aka who gained the most?

Grumpy. They got a nice view of the chaos up there on their mountaintop of tranquility.

CTO for the peace terms with Midgard. As well as a much needed PR boost for war performance.

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5. Who was the biggest loser out of the war? aka who lost the most?

Poor WANA, although his villain arc has been quite entertaining and actually needed. Maybe a loss for him but a gain for brining some life to Orbis in other ways. 

Aurora took a PR hit that's probably worth noting, however Aurora has also been one of the most entertaining alliances the last half year, unfortunately this is the price that's paid.

[[Peace] Enter The Halls of Valhalla]

 

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