Tim Armstrong
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Indeed.
We do appreciate the generous donation to Guardian's rebuilding fund. Thank you, Judge.
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Hey Tim, I guess we should be thankful for the reasonableness of the VE leadership. There's that.
Yeah, that is true, PigInZen. http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/6815-announcement-from-guardian-and-the-allies/?p=109292
I also must say that Guardian's communications with UPN, tS, and Rose were also very positive and demonstrated their reasonableness, as well.
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Guardian, you got lucky. You got out for a laughably small price and it appears that bluff and tenaciosity works better than trying to keep a given word. Good luck rebuilding and good luck perfecting your skill to make fools out of people.
And I wouldn't be surprised now if - following your example - SK would drag this war over so long that reps are nullified, you've proved it's possible to negotiate on non-negotiable terms... yay for you, I guess.
Ben, what this shows is that through open communication and mutual respect alliances who are at war can find common ground. PLUR.
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Guardian looks forward to improved relations with VE and the rest of Orbis going forward. I'd like to thank Impero for his reasonable approach during the war.
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rrussell263, enthusiastically speaks his opinion which he has every right to do.
However, he does not speak for Guardian. We have found VE, UPN, tS, et al. to be reasonable during this war.
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Side note, if I understand this correctly, Memph, you guys knew Shellhound had multi's in VE, and despite this, you guys made him your leader after pre stepped down. But it wasn't until he got caught, that you removed him from office... This is why when you guys come on to the OWF, and proclaim that you have changed, I have an extremely difficult time taking that proclamation seriously.
Sweeeeet Ronny D, none of us in Guardian knew that Shellhound had multis until he had been exposed and admitted to it. Our members did not support what he did and we acted as quickly as possible to replace him despite the dog pile we were under. We are fortunate that Memph stepped up as he is a reasonable and fair person who acts on behalf of our members.
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Impero, we have acknowledged that Guardian's members did not support what was planned by SK and Shellhound. Our members gave a lot of thought to the required reps and decided for several reasons to decline. We hold honor, loyalty, and integrity as our core values and these guide us. We will survive.
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Tim, what does that mean from our viewpoint? Nothing. You could start !@#$ing rainbows and cute kittens and it doesn't change anything for us. Reps are tangible, they do.
It means I don't like being called a disingenuous liar. Because I'm not.
Guardian has never required reps to end a war and our members don't think it's justified in this situation where we pre-empted an attack. It's that simple. It's not spitting in VE's face, it's not shirking our responsibilities, it's not insulting VE. We have great respect for VE especially given the conversations we've had with Impero and other VE members throughout the war.
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Fair enough on the using Rose part.
But, if you really would have thought this was a pre-emptive attack, then why didn't you post that originally? It all seems too convenient for me, "oh noes, we're getting decimated lets make up a reason and say that was the reason the whole time". You should have posted the reason at first. The time to turn in homework was then, not today.
Jroc, you are right. It should have been in there. I think you know me well enough to know that I am not lying about this. It is not in my character to misrepresent facts for my gain.
Here's the CB post. http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/6391-a-guardian-announcement/?p=102491
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My Response: http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/6733-a-note-on-guardian-and-the-seven-kingdoms/
In short, take responsibility for your actions, SK and Guardian aren't above or better than anyone else.
Edit: Also obviously Ben Maxwell doesn't speak for VE.
Impero, we are taking responsibility for our actions. We do not think we are above or better than anyone else. We have reformed our strategy and changed how we play the game in the future. That is much more significant than paying some reparations and setting a new precedent that impacts everyone who plays the game.
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Thanks for your comments, Goldie. Guardian has been in conversations across Orbis to apologize for our past actions. What Shellhound did was wrong and we did not support it. We are doing everything we can to turn over a new leaf. Our government is new and has been very open with the best of intentions.
I take your point that things shouldn't always be done the same just because that's the way they've always been done. What I was getting at is that things in Orbis are changing. It affects the whole community if non-negotiable reps are going to be a standard practice. That's why I think everyone should think carefully about the precedent this is setting.
We were also not the ones plotting to use one alliance to roll another alliance, then turn on the first alliance to destroy them as well.
Be honest, there was no planning - even long term- to hit Guardian? We have heard from too many people that this is not true, including VE members.
Did you have good reasons for wanting to hit us? Maybe. But we have formally apologized to you on your forums for the aggression Guardian had toward VE basically since you arrived through us declaring on you.
Please understand that us turning down the required reps for peace is not intended to be spitting in your face. We are acting in good faith to show that we harbor no ill-intent toward you. I can understand how paying the reps requirement seems token to you guys. However, our members feel that it is not the amount so much as the principle. Reps should only be for unprovoked attacks. To Atzuya's point above I'm sure Memph will be around to confirm that this was a pre-emptive strike.
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Pre-empting an attack on your alliance is not a CB?
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I wanted to reflect for a moment on this war and the peace talks. In terms of the war itself we have seen Orbis more or less unite against two of the longest running alliances in SK and Guardian. There are various reasons which we have now been discussing for 14 days. Based on conversations that I've had with alliances we are at war with I would venture to say that most of the resentment from past actions that people had been holding onto against Guardian has been released.
As far as war history goes this is approaching the longest large-scale alliance war. Those wars always ended with white peace and an understanding of what each side achieved during the war. Sometimes there were outstanding issues that were pushed down to fuel future wars.
Now we have some new alliances who are engaging in large-scale alliance war with VE and MensaHQ. Both of these alliances also have long histories of playing nation sims together and are excellent players. The difference is that they are used to war being less expensive to perpetuate long-term and they have a different understanding of what justifies reparations.
I've seen references to the reps requirement we received in our peace talks with VE so I believe that I am not sharing anything that is not already widely known. We were given a non-negotiable offer to pay $100 million cash and 10k units of alum, steel, and gas.
While Guardian has expressed a sincere apology to VE for our side's aggression toward them before the war and including pre-empting their attack on us, we do not feel as if this reps request is justified because they were planning to attack us. Had we attacked them for another reason we would have considered paying reps. Since this is non-negotiable there isn't really anything else to talk about. So it seems the war will continue.
Let's have a dialogue about the effect that this new reparations requirement element is likely to have in order to end wars going forward in Orbis. It seems to me that there will be less war if reparations will be a part of peace as a standard practice going forward. The rigidness of the terms may also stagnate relationship development across spheres. Perhaps it will strengthen relationships between allies and improve loyalty. Please share your thoughts.*Edited to highlight point requested for discussion.
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o/ Atzuya
Here's some footage I recorded of Atzuya one day when I came across her training in Guardian's chambers. She is the one in yellow.
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Guardian had only Prefontaine saving them from irrelevancy.
<3 Underlordgc
We can always count on you to put out super-stinky bait. No matter how hard you try to make me stop, I appreciate you.
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Tim is still in Guardian gov, so you guys continue to be pretty alright in my eyes.
Aw, thanks friend.
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Thanks for the kind wishes and votes of confidence in our new government. I've been in Guardian for about six months and I can assure you that recent events have changed us and our strategy. We are a stronger group of individuals due to the adversity.
And, Estelle, you clearly just need a hug. It's okay to be vulnerable sometimes. <3
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Jodo I did no such thing. Blame Manthrax of tS. He killed mah planes. I would love to rumble with you but my nine city nation doesn't have the bandwidth to put together a comeback in a 4v1. Sorry bby.
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What is P&W listening to?
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