[Plot Und Panzer]

Just now, Mitsuru said:

You didn't understand what I said. The name "Afrika Korps" (which is literally the name of the alliance) was a nazi expedition force in Africa.

Afrika Korps = Nazism

Alliance name = Afrika Korps = Nazi symbolism

I hope that was easy enough to understand.

You still fail to understand what I said, just because it's ww2 nazi era stuff does not mean they support the ideology, which is the bad thing. The Name, a Rommel's expedition theme, are not inherently bad. It is a false equivalency to say that they are doing something wrong using that stuff. If they then start talking about how the Jews own to much of the German economy...then we may have a problem though XD. But we all know that's not the case. Your thinking is too simple on this more complicated matter, I think you owe them an apology

[Plot Und Panzer]

Just now, Mitsuru said:

You are certainly not the right person to talk about decency Fist.

Besides that, whether they support this or not (I actually assume they don't), their alliance is based on it. That's not up for discussion. The theme of the alliance is nazis (simply based on the name if not anything else) and anime. There's not really much to argue about that.

I don't know what coolaid you have been drinking to think that about me(Though ive heard about the stuff that's going around heh), but don't let me stand between you and the punchblowl XD. This isnt the time nor the place IMO

But back to the topic onhand, you didn't understand what I said, please re-read it. What I said was that it's the ideology that is bad, not the army stuff. And calling them a weebnazi alliance with the implication that what they are doing is wrong is slander based off bad logic like I said.

[Plot Und Panzer]

2 minutes ago, Mitsuru said:

One of the first images you get is the palm tree that you can also see in the original post only that the symbol in the middle is replaced by a nazi swastika (I'm not gonna upload this picture here). Afrika Korps (in German: Deutsches Afrikakorps) was an expeditionary force during WWII of Nazi Germany in North Africa led by Erwin Rommel who at the time was one of Adolf Hitler's favorite generals. What you basically have here is therefore an alliance that is based on nazis.

Obviously they will vehemently deny this and argue that their alliance is based on an anime. That of course doesn't change the fact though that the anime is also based on nazi stuff. So basically the alliance is a naziweeb alliance.

 

Just because something is based on ww2 German stuff does not mean in anyway that they support Nazi Ideology(People supporting that stuff is really the 'bad' that one can accuse people of, using Nazi Era tanks/ww2-mil is not inherently a bad thing. And they are cool looking XD), that is a false equivalency implied by you when you incorrectly label them a "Naziweeb Alliance". You are slandering their alliance with your flawed logic, apologizing to them would now be the decent thing to do Mitsuru 

[Plot Und Panzer]

I love that meme XD

[Plot Und Panzer]

Good stuff guys, I wish you all the best of luck!

Also, because some things just need to be said:

[A light in the Void]

Lol!

[A light in the Void]

On behalf of Pantheon I would like to thank the Dark Brotherhood for their continued support, and we look forward to continuing to work closely with you guys in the future!

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There was more to that story, I will say I did I did for the good of Pantheon though. Im jsut not sure if I want to share it atm, sorry. But im confident that I can do it, and am more then willing to let people judge me for me hah

[Pantheon is back in the game :D]

I want to ask you a question though Reuben, if I could prove beyond any doubt that what I am saying is correct, would you be open to it?(Proof will be easy to read this time I promise XD)

[Pantheon is back in the game :D]

What if they are right though?

But yeah, RH is new to gov and is strongly wordered, that def wasnt the best way to have a strategy meeting(and his wgoals where not right), and when I adress the AA I am nothing but 100% Honest. I have to train up new gov and have leaks, it sucks but they are both great people and just need to learn

[Pantheon is back in the game :D]

1 hour ago, Sphinx said:

Stuff

Dude that's such BS, I TCW was pissed that you said that and I was working with you to try and fix that. It was not a joke. And I'm going to say the obvious, your gov wasnt working and doing what I did was necessary to actually fix the situation. It needed nothing short of a complete remake, and that is what I was going to do. If you wanted to leave before you felt stubbed by me making current gov re-apply, then that's your choice and I dont fault you for it. The lies about what you said about your plan and acting like the titan cant demote and remake gov is despicable. Nuking a discord because you didnt like being put in a situation where you had to prove you could do the job to be gov anymore was low. I hope you enjoy TCW

57 minutes ago, Gorge said:

WHY does this matter so much 

 

 as I was Told 

 

1. Panth gov started merge talks and neglected to notify members (all of this was good up to failure to notify members)

2. Some gov picked / couped to make the founder in charge

3. Some one stole the bank (again) and sent it to tcw

4. Members who were not happy in panth left and thoes who are happy stayed

 

past that there really isn’t any argument or need for slander from either side, what panth does is their business. In the end the alliance is here to appease the members and not a bunch of people on the owf (shocking I know) so why not let them figure it out in damn peace. 

The other guy is right, people see opportunity to push agendas, For TCW though, Felky got caught red handed doing some seriously bad stuff and he need to launch this massive spin campaign in order to not loose all his credibility and image(And his new members). It's interesting to watch IMO. They're throwing all the shit they can just to see what sticks, even int he logs he tried to convince jeric, high gov of pantheon, that it was illegitimate what I did, and he told Felky he was wrong but Felky kept it up. I would much prefer that people come to their senses so we can act like adults about this, but that just isnt in their best interests. Welcome to PnW XD

1 hour ago, Alexio15 said:

Yeah urm, I'm not sure if anyone told you but your logs are unreadable. So before quoting and pointing to 'irrefutable evidence' please clear them up so the rest of us can see. Or you're just going to keep looking like a man with no substance...

They are readable to anyone with a reasonable intelligence and who spends some time in it, nice try to get out of it though XD

@Shify That was so cherrypicked man XD

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31 minutes ago, Akkara said:

I've heard quite a bit from both sides, and I think it's important to note that there is a distinction you're not making here; those aforementioned "former Panth gov" nations were not members of TCW at the time, and there is no evidence of collusion on the part of tCW gov with regards to the bank heist or the deletion of discord channels. While I don't find those two's actions legitimately grounded nor condone them, so far, Pantheon's former government hasn't conveniently left out any information and hasn't publicly slandered Pantheon's (current) government; I think it's pretty easy to see where the lies are sitting. You and your government, on the other hand, have repeatedly lied to myself and the Orbis community as a whole, conveniently left out the part where Felkey returned what he(?) could, falsely assumed - and declared - that tCW was behind the personally motivated actions of some former Pantheon gov members, and constructed slanderous lies designed to undermine Yui, which, frankly, paints yourself in a bad light. Regardless of whether you personally did these things or your government did; you're all part of one team, and I don't think anyone should - or will - be trusting you guys for a while after this. 

 

By the way, couldn't you have given us more contextual screenshots concerning the gov chat, and better screenshots concerning the felkey-jeric chat?

There is solid evidence, the logs I posted of Felky talking to Jeric are a smoking gun, there is no better evidence then something like that. Them being behind it is beyond all reasonable doubt. Felky even said so himself here XD. If that is what TCW has had you believe you have been lied to, and I encourage you to see reason here.

The largest mistake I made was how fast I moved tbh, I didn't think TCW was like that, and that was also a second mistake. And yes, my new gov could of done better and we have corrected it, but we made mistakes there and I think it's fair we are held responsible for those. Though them being corrected should also be acknowledged IMO.

But if you are upset about being fundamentally mislead, you upset at the wrong people, and you don't have to take my word for it, the facts speak for themselves

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9 minutes ago, Color said:

lie, lie, and lie. no one is destabilizing your alliance. I told them to follow their heart and left pantheon because of your unauthorized power to change the system of pantheon. Today, I see that some pantheon choose tCW, Rose, and other AAs for followed their heart. 

What is the best suggestion for Pantheon: just let pantheon go and just go back to your AA where you left and let members to choose other AA. They can be allow to follow their heart; not your unauthorized power leader who abandoned Pantheon during the war and rejoin it as the joke is real.

#PantheonLiedtoUs #AbusedPower #FakeNews #TrumpsFavoriteGovernment

I bet that Fist will abandon Pantheon again when there is new war. 

The facts paint a different story I'm afraid, and ofcourse, if anyone doesn't want to rebuild the AA with me then I encourage them to leave ofc!(This is jsut a game, people should do what makes them happy). It's not going to be easy. But to say TCW is not destabilizing us  is untrue, and you are believing a lie =/

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8 minutes ago, Mad Max said:

I'll be honest, I talked mad shit about pantheon and Fist - especially when he dipped during war for what seemed like a childish reason.

Shit was talked, I think I said things like Pantheon is trash, shit, garbage, horrible should be rolled, among other things.

That being said though, I had the opportunity to invest cash and resources into Pantheon in its infancy & be a member so there is some history there. I'm a little confused why people take so much interest in a seemingly dead alliance prior to all this talk about the merge and stuff, shit happens I guess. Never the less, I am actually glad to see some type of restructuring and rebuilding going on internally and I look forward to what comes next - hoping it isn't the projected 'shit' from my previous words in this post. 

Regardless if you took power or not, at least do something with it now.

That's the plan my friend

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8 minutes ago, Felkey said:

Since these are basically unreadable how about I just tell them what was in those logs?

After you took information I shared with you in confidence (about the merger) given you were one of pantheon's founders and took over the government, you changed the charter without discussion to give yourself supreme control. You then stripped existing gov of their perms in game... Except one. I went to that one person to ask them to appoint themself as leader in game and remove you so that the situation could be sorted out without this insanity. They initially refused, but after another day of watching you disgrace Pantheon they left and took the bank. I have been very open with our allies about this, so it's not like it's anything new to them. I took a shot to stop a hostile take over of the alliance I started put in. An alliance I had many friends in, including many who came over to TCW.

 

Edit: you also forgot to mention I did return the portion of the bank I had access to, despite having no pressing reason to, beyond it being the right thing to do.

I'm grateful you admitted to this on the OWF, thank you, it is very interesting

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12 minutes ago, Felkey said:

Since these are basically unreadable how about I just tell them what was in those logs?

After you took information I shared with you in confidence (about the merger) given you were one of pantheon's founders and took over the government, you changed the charter without discussion to give yourself supreme control. You then stripped existing gov of their perms in game... Except one. I went to that one person to ask them to appoint themself as leader in game and remove you so that the situation could be sorted out without this insanity. They initially refused, but after another day of watching you disgrace Pantheon they left and took the bank. I have been very open with our allies about this, so it's not like it's anything new to them. I took a shot to stop a hostile take over of the alliance I started put in. An alliance I had many friends in, including many who came over to TCW.

 

Edit: you also forgot to mention I did return the portion of the bank I had access to, despite having no pressing reason to, beyond it being the right thing to do.

So your allies condone* this? Interesting

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Yeah the logs are hard to read, but they are readable =/ Sorry to put you all through it =/

[Pantheon is back in the game :D]

We would like to clear the air on this situation that arose in Pantheon over the last few days.

First, the current government was installed according to the procedures outlined in the Constitution of Pantheon, and while some of the former government has departed, that decision was theirs and theirs alone. It was within the prior Titan’s power to resign and name their successor, and I was chosen. We can understand the controversy over choosing me when I had just rejoined, but it wasn’t a coup. A coup is an unlawful taking of power, not a lawful but controversial taking of power. And the prior Titan remains a member of Pantheon gov, and supports the current government. This was clearly no coup.

Various members of Pantheon gov had requested my aid in fixing Pantheon for some time now, but I was happy in TKR and declined each time. When I heard about the merger, I didn’t want to see them go out like that, and decided to offer my services to the Titan at the time, and Ridcully agreed. Then I started to learn that gov was going to push the merger without even consulting the membership, and when I approached sphinx he said that he wasn’t serious about it and just wanted to use the merger to get old gov like me back in to "save" the AA... So I quickly cancelled the idea of the merge and -everyone in our discord was thrilled about this and our new direction.
It is also true that belligerent rhetoric was used against people who didn’t deserve the labels that were affixed to them. Yui is a good person, and we recognize her contributions to Pantheon during her term of service. We also recognize that this is a difficult situation for her. Shifty, or whoever provided the logs to shifty, left out some key parts. I pushed back on those statements and opposed that language. See the below:

https://imgur.com/aV6KRgY
https://imgur.com/om4afoE

This doesn’t change the fact on the ground that certain elements of the former government have worked with the government of TCW in order to pursue their own interests. I’m sorry for the small size of these logs, but they show our point.

https://imgur.com/k2cW736
https://imgur.com/0YzfKZP
https://imgur.com/SBhgZzF
https://imgur.com/n1ldkPU

Following this, we saw that former Pantheon gov member went on to steal the bank and provide a large portion of it to TCW, even after admitting that it wasn’t a coup. We also see a push for a true coup against the current gov. Additionally, it is nearly impossible to see all that at this critical juncture, along with the deletion of Pantheon’s Discord channels by another former Panth gov who is now in TCW, as anything but a concerted effort to undermine Pantheon.

With these logs, the bank theft, and the discord deletion all in mind, how is it unreasonable to come to the conclusion that foreign powers are trying to destabilize Pantheon? And why are they so focused on destabilizing us? Some members of TCW have done a lot for us in the past, but some are also clearly now trying to hurt us. It would require us to ignore all the evidence to take a position that these outside parties all simply have our best interests at heart.

I would like to thank all of the Pantheon members willing to join us on this journey, and all the friends and allies that stood firm by us in these trying times. Thank you, we couldn't of done it without you. Pantheon is going to move forward! 

[Live from Baghdad-Shifty News Network Reporting in]

Turned it into it's own thread

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We appreciate our friends at The Syndicate for helping us out while we undergo our restructuring

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Thanks to the cutting edge Journalism at the shifty news network, the merger has been cancelled

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As a new player, the real issue is the 10 day city timer, and not the cost.

[Every City Gets a Random "Bonus Resource"]

Can people diversify now? Yes sure. But you guys are missing the point, it isn't profitable to do so. I like this idea a lot

[Ape and NK]

Just now, kosmokenny said:

Yeah, coordinating your EMC so you get to use them as meatshields and act honorable coming in to roll a 25 man alliance really makes you stand up gentlemen and not complete shitbags.

I'll ignore your dodges this time

But your point is fundamentally absurd, wouldn't us letting our MDP ally bear all of it be using them as a meatsheild? So, sense we backed our ally up hard, I think you are upset that we didn't use our allies as a meatsheild   I think in your stupidity you just complimented us then...so, uh, thank you kosmokenny?

[Ape and NK]

10 minutes ago, kosmokenny said:

Its your fault youre cowards and pathetic enough to pull that shit.  You spent a year with NB tied to you wanting to use us as your meat shields, then we break away and you dogpile on us because we were no longer of any use to you.  I had a lot of talks with Lordship and Smith about how distasteful that bullshit is, and they knew it was true.  Then they hand over the reigns to lesser people and you immediately pissed away any respect you earned in the fair wars you fought long ago.  Is anyone even left from those days, to know how to fight a fair and fun war?  

So much salt but so little honesty about your sides actions that lead to this. If I was to speculate, I don't think it was TKR that helped their ally's enemies. I don't recall TKR posting open invitations on the OWF   While you are at it, I suggest you look up what a MDP is. You seemed confused on that earlier.

But don't let this deter you from making up more convenient fantasies about how evil the people you don't like are, I enjoy them personally.