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Yep.  You're getting it now.  Glad to see we're finally coming to a mutual understanding.

It is not enough to diagnose; the purpose of medicine is to remedy. What is the prescription?

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The social alienation I'm talking about is people becoming unfamiliar with the culture that surrounds them while interacting.  Mandatory attendance in an institution that doesn't connect with how the neighborhood around them lives, works, and plays doesn't help people network or find references.  At best, education's value is to take specialized time to teach people ideas in order to accelerate how people communicate ideas in wider society, but when the ideas taught in school don't match the ideas that people live by, spending time in that institution only serves as a distraction.  The reason for defense funding is to counterbalance this alienation by giving those who are alienated a way to earn a living despite having their childhoods ruined upon graduation into adulthood.

Plenty of people say they live by one ideology but actually follow another. For example, some brothers who pray to Allah SWT then convince the young and impressionable to commit horrible acts of atrocity. In the same way, many Christians who preach tolerance refuse to extend it to their Muslim brothers. In these cases, the problem is not the ideology, it is the failure of the individual to live up to it, for whatever reason that may be.

 

Perhaps our institutions merely have high expectations which many fall short of due to higher education being seen as more necessary to make money. Perhaps if Americans saw good, honest work as more of an option, their children would be sent to trade schools which would be seen as more honorable, and as a result, the institutions would only be teaching those who truly wanted to be there, and the vacuum of skilled labor in America would be filled with skilled laborers.

 

The devaluation of the hard-working but not formally educated American working class - that is, the majority of the population - is both a symptom of the devaluation of American culture and an attempt by the godless leaders of America into instilling fear and uncertainty into their population to avoid dissent against their inhuman policies of abuse of our middle eastern brothers.

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If anything's nonsense, it's what kids learn growing up now as the real cause of prejudice in society.

 

They get brainwashed by a politicized public education system that's run by feminist teacher unions and has no consideration towards instilling genuine discipline.

 

Instead, it caters to the destruction of family values by appealing to kids who don't want to get disciplined by their parents back home.  

 

Thank you, friend, for this post, as you have provided me with an opportunity to demonstrate the vacuousness of White Culture.

 

White Culture actively works against the women's movement in America, the feminist movement. It works against the African American's movement, Black Lives Matter. It discriminates against people based on their religion, their political views, and their country of origin. Indeed, the new American president Donald Trump has attempted to discriminate against my fellow Muslim brothers by placing immigration restrictions based on an amalgamation of the previous three traits. And he did so with a mandate by the American people through his recent election.

 

Just as the Protestants claim to be in favor of hard work, they are lazy. They preach but do not practice. So does America with tolerance: it claims to support tolerance but hates everyone different. How can this be the ideology of the strong? No. White America is weak and dying, and it knows it. In its death throws, White America grasps for a breath of fresh air through its Patriarch Trump, but it will be defeated just as Jim Crow was in the past. In America's first treaty with Muslim brothers it claimed to be founded in no way on the Christian religion and indeed this is true; perhaps one day, America will come to see the light of Islam in the way that so many of its African American and Arab brothers have already. Until then, we will be forced to see you as the misguided, infantile people that you are. This is not a judgement - it is the truth. And I am sorry that you were not blessed enough to have been born in a situation where before now you might have learned the truth of Allah SWT.

 

The choices available are simple: Allah SWT, or the darkness which has consumed White America whole and left nothing but a red white and blue carcass where freedom once rang.

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Rather than creating a debate on Islam and muslims on this and that I only dislike ONE thing about this.

 

As a friendly piece of advice to you: Don't advertise religion in a politics game.

If you want them to come to Islam befriend them and be the example of WHY they should accept Islam. Because if they see a good hearted person they will follow as they did Muhammad (S.A.W).

P.S. Don't be like Ibrahim (The PnW Player) or Moreau, or Abu Haddad who openly cursed those who didn't follow their ideology.

 

It is not possible for an understanding Muslim to criticize his brothers on such basis. We are all Muslims in the eyes of Allah SWT.

 

1) Go on.  Prove your point.

 

2) There is no such thing as "the predominant culture among white Americans."  It is racist, and in fact, that exact argument used to be made against plenty of other ethnic groups.

 

3) You still haven't shown how Islamic scripture advocates moderate lifestyles.

 

1. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

 

It is good to be willing to learn from a teacher. At times, that teacher must be oneself. A student must do their homework.

 

2. The ideal type of a group of persons is simply the most common opinion among them. If you take the most common opinions among white Americans, you get White America as I speak of it. Why is it that you are so quick to dismiss me as a racist?

 

3. You haven't yet defined for me what "moderate" is supposed to mean.

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1) Just because the world does something wrong doesn't mean you should go along with it.  That said, I strongly disagree with you here.  Western Civilization didn't practice slavery after the fall of the Roman Empire until Muslims reintroduced it starting with the enslavement of Africans.  In fact, pagan Vikings very deliberately traded Anglo-Saxon and Celtic slaves with Muslims across Slavic lands.  Likewise, chivalry appreciated feminine graces to encourage gentlemanly behavior, something which wasn't emulated among Muslims.

 

2) Just because something's easy doesn't make it right.  Why don't you engage the beliefs people have instead to see who among whites are the decadent ones?

 

3) What among Islamic scripture convinces you Islam advocates moderate lifestyles?  If anything, the reactionaries are the actual Muslims and the moderates are the ones who are twisting it into something it's not.  Don't get me wrong, their compromise is obviously appreciated, but moderates should be recognized for the compromise they're doing instead of advocating an original and pure Muslim lifestyle.

 

I don't defend "white America" because I know there's no such thing, especially since in real life, I'm a third degree Knight of Columbus who realizes how different white people are different.  For example, there was never any Italian, Irish, or Polish Empire that engaged in slavery, yet these are all white people.  When these people immigrated to America and upheld their Catholic beliefs, they believed in universal grace which means treating everyone with respect.  

 

These whites were discriminated against upon their arrival because of being Catholics in contrast to the Protestant Work Ethic that pervaded Americana ever since its foundation.  That belief system, by the way, is what upheld slavery in claiming that African civilization obviously hadn't performed sufficient good works to prove it was chosen by God to be elected for salvation in representing a predestined calling, a system that was practiced by the Royal African Company of Britain as well as the Dutch West Indies Company.  In fact, these Protestants implictly allied with Muslims in the Ottoman Empire during the Reformation, throughout the 30 Years' War, and against the Hapsburg Empire.

 

If you want to have a serious debate, then seriously understand why things happen.  Don't jump to conclusions by judging people according to what they are before who they are.

 

1. The Code of Chivalry had almost nothing to do with the treatment of women: this is a modern myth. By contrast, Islam brought sweeping, positive changes to the Arabian peninsula regarding the treatment of women.

 

2. Am I not here engaging the actual beliefs that people have right now? White America means the predominant culture among white Americans. A large part of that is Christianity. It is not racist to tell the truth.

 

3. My Islam is true to me and the other members of the Nation and that is all that matters. "Extreme" is not a synonym for "correct", and I will not be drawn into defending actions I do not believe are just and Islamic.

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Malcolm X, like Doctor King, evolved his view point to be much more class centric than race based as you're referencing. Malcolm X, iirc, was one of the supporters of the White Panthers, white allies of the black Panthers and part of the planned rainbow coalition against oppression. Also worth noting that Malcolm X's gender politics improved immensely as he drifted from Islam and evolved his viewpoint.

 

X and King would be much more in line with the anti carceral feminism than any mainstream varient of Islam. There are progressive voices in Islam, but I think we can safely rule you out.

 

I care not for your labels - only for your ears. On what basis do you dismiss my arguments?

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1) If Islam is so caring, how do you explain its vast history of abuse and slavery especially when it comes to Africans as well as its downtrodden treatment of women?

 

2) While decadence might exist today, why do you prioritize focusing on people being white when it comes to identifying that decadence?

 

3) If Islam believes in moderation, why does it advocate reactionary lifestyles?

 

1. A vast history of abuse and slavery is not the history of Islam but of the world. Through Allah SWT, it is forgiven.

 

2. I am not prioritizing the color, merely identifying the group in the easiest way possible. They are the descendants of Europeans. The race is unimportant.

 

3. Some twist Islam into something it is not - I admit. People often see what they want to see. That is the point of this thread - to educate.

 

Now, allow me to ask you a question. Why is it that in response to my post, rather than defending the actions of White America, you chose to attack me on all three points?

 

Would you please play the game, so we can DEUS VULT!

 

"Islam means to surrender"

+1

 

What do you mean?

 

Like playing PW? 

 

All things in moderation.

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Greetings, people of Politics and war. On behalf of the Nation of Islam I have made this Final Call to Islam in the style of that of the original and actual Elijah Muhammad. In an effort to educate and build membership for the Nation of Islam, I have created this thread so that we may discuss on open and equal terms the basic ideas behind our organization. Parties to such strong voices as civil rights leader Malcolm X, the history of the Nation of Islam is one of fighting for the rights of all people - particularly those who are disenfranchised in America, such as African-Americans, Muslims, and women.

 

We believe the following:

 

1. While all people are created equal, not all cultures and ideologies are created equal.

 

1a. The religion Christianity of White America and our duped African brothers is built on the idea of Allah SWT being a man and being murdered. These people want to kill Allah SWT under His banner: and that is what they have tried to do with their bombs in the Middle East, which threaten the lives of millions of men, women, and children in multiple countries. There is much talk in Western media of the suicide bombings which our misguided brothers unfortunately see are necessary in their struggle to defend Islam. But when will you stop your bombings?

 

1b. The culture of White America is inferior in that it promotes both decadence and consumption. The people of White America are lazy - they do not want to work because they see no value in it. All they want to do is buy new things. New, shiny things. That distract them from each other and from Allah SWT. Their concentration on the material world has led them to this horrid behavior which deems acceptable the mass murder of people based solely on believing differently than they do. Out of fear, out of anger - it doesn't matter. White America is sick on the property it stole from the Middle East, Africa, and all around the world, and we are all suffering for it.

 

2. The answer to the problems of the modern world is Islam.

 

2a. Islam means to surrender: to surrender to the will of Allah SWT. Allah SWT is all-knowing and most merciful. Whether or not you submit: he forgives you. Whether or not you understand: he does. Allah SWT loves all and what he wants, not demands, is love in return. From all of His children. He calls on us to abandon our addictions to technology and consumerism and embrace His love. Not to abandon reality - but to live in moderation, as is the will of Allah SWT. He calls on us to abandon our hatred. Not to be passive in the face of aggression - but to moderate our response, as is the will of Allah SWT. And not to be blind to the sins of others, but to be understanding and forgiving of them, because we are all sinners in the eyes of Allah SWT.