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    London Attack

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    Now that it is confirmed its time for yet another thread on terrorist activity, how to solve such things, and we hope some entertainment from a certain stripe of person who are so afraid, paralysed with fear in fact, no matter what they put in their hashtags.

     

    It being so soon after some details might be inaccurate but his profile currently is as follows: The child of immigrants, a white mother and black father, Islam came to him when he was jailed for slashing at a person with a knife (though it may have been also when he married a Muslim woman, the deal with marriage in Islam is not often talked about). He lived a "nomadic" life with no strong roots anywhere however the areas he did live in were always notorious Muslim areas for their hate preachers and such. He was often in Islamic dress which is to me always something notable about these converts. He also may have gotten some further radicalising in Saudi Arabia but that is unclear.

     

    So what can be taken from the profile of such a man as the solutions? I'll outline some bullet points to be quick and to the point.

     

    1: Stopping immigration may help the overall problem but doesn't matter to those here already. Mass deportations are too heavy handed, hits a lot of innocent people, and ultimately will never have the public's support.

     

    2: Jails are breeding beds of these loonies be it in Britain, France, and any other place who allows such circumstances. Criminals finding Islam in prison and then trying to quickly get into heaven so to speak is nothing new. With haste Islamic gangs in prisons must be cracked down on and this converting, which many criminals initially do to spare them of the violence of Islamic convicts, has to end. Islamic preaching has no place in jail.

     

    3: It is often forgotten just how important and vital local roots are to a person. Some would say that is simply the digital age at work but I disagree. You see the chain goes: Yourself, Family, Friends, Town, County, Region, Country. Many governments including the British one (in England anyway) has waged a crusade/Jihad (hyperbole) against Nationalism especially during the time of Labour. Nationalism is at the top of the chain and if you are for it then you are much more likely to also abide by the other links in the chain which is simple logic. Even if someone who loves their country becomes a loony and commits these sort of acts then at least he is more likely to go somewhere else and do them. So in conclusion we need to bring people closer together and instil love for their town, county, region, and last but not least, their country.

     

    4: Radical Islam gets a lot of attention but it ain't the main driver for these things. That fault lays at the feet of Conservative Islam, also known as "Moderate" Islam and Mainstream Islam. Islam as many will tell you is more then simply a religion as it's a political ideology, a culture, and a nation. If you don't burn these insidious tendrils wrapped around people then these Radicals will forever be popping out of the ground, its simply too easy for a Conservative to morph into a Radical.

    4a: As such as a political ideology it needs to be treated as firmly as possible with anyone who supports it told exactly what they are, lunatics. Treat any who wants sharia as you would a Nazi wanting a holocaust. 

    4b: As a culture the banning of Islamic dress is perhaps heavy handed (though in stores and such no issue). Its a tricky subject but ultimately those who adopt such things should be seen as old fashioned weirdos, something which would help less of them adopt it. The destroying of the ghettos also helps in this matter as they can't huddle together and turn a part of town into a culturally Islamic area. Why is a dress so important? Because if you convince yourself like say this man did, that you are not "British" but "Islamic" in culture then you're on your way to being a crazy.

    4c: Finally we must tackle the nation aspect of it which is all very easy. Nationalism, a love for your land and its people, lays in the path of Islam in this matter. Instead of weakening Nationalism to allow Islamic tendrils to take root we must instead strengthen Nationalism.

     

    Final words: I have outlined some things to do which are by no means extreme, though in the mind of those who want to be on their knees I suppose any action no matter what it might be is extreme. Many of you are too overawed by the Roz to reply I know but for those that still can engage please do target the argument and not the person alright? You can fling as many barbs at me but it won't prove me wrong in anything I've said above. 

    1. Is this a point or just a fact?

    2. Islam in a British prison? The prisoners there are literally 99% white trash and like 5 black guys.

    3. I mean, a good % of Britain will hate Westminister no matter what, so that's going to work a good 5 days until it gets dropped.

    4. Yes, let's follow an ideology of "My country>else". I think the word you're looking for is "Patriotism" for this scenario.

    Dutch Election

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    I think there's a growing number of liberals supporting the idea of having sort of public discourses to scrutinize and criticize Islam taking place in public. I don't think it's fair to paint all liberals with the same brush as their regressive counterparts.

     

     

    I think we're pretty much on the same page in regard to Islam. I do have sort of disgust towards the violent and troubling parts of Islam.

     

    However, we have quite different views regarding our approach towards Islam. You seem to like going hard against Islam and Muslims in particular. While I'd rather go soft and have sort of discussions with them regarding the troubling aspects of Islam. I believe we can finally push many Muslim scholars to renounce many troubling aspects of Islam. But first, we should be able to sit together with them and discuss these matters, rather than isolating and ignoring them from any public discourses that might help us renounce many troubling aspects of Islam.

    ^^ this. 

    Dutch Election

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    This is a war and by all means this was a reasonable victory for the center and the right as ground was claimed. A war that will be won by them as well as the left is just going to keep making the situation dire forcing more people to open their eyes. 

    Oh yes, but the left made more ground than anyone else. GroenLinken gained 400%, D66 gained 7 seats, Christian Democratic Union (which isn't right-wing per American Standard) was up 6. The only losses were from the coalition, mostly due to the fact that the leader of the Labour Party focused on EU issues as opposed to domestic issues and pissed a bunch of people off as a result. Even my liberal ass wouldn't have voted for him.

     

    The only people that need to "open their eyes" are the people that think this is a ground-breaking gain for the PVV. This isn't even the best result the PVV had. Back in 2010 they lead opposition with 24 seats, netting a gain of 15 seats.

    Hillary's Cover Up

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    Alright, another two cents are needed.

     

    You guys seriously still treat MSNBC as a serious source of info? 

    I remember back when people were taught to look at both sides of the argument, pick one and form an opinion.
    Not anymore apparently.

    Dutch Election

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Had to acknowledge a warning for this in order to write so I better get some praise for that.

    Honestly? I don't know. It's Proportional voting so it's most definitely going to go to coalition negotiation, it just depends on who has the better word. The GroenLinks party popped out of nowhere and is now going to be a key factor in negotiation to form governments. Almost every party is expected to gain/lose only 2-4 seats, so it'll be fun watching the game of 4-party coalition deals happening.

    'tis why I prefer FTV and not PLP election systems, makes life so much easier.

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