Phiney
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Yknow what. For the first time I'm still enjoying war whilst losing. You can plan, take actions and potentially still win wars (won 2/6 with 0 military because I planned, played the war system better than them and was still active). I say leave it how it is, it's doing what Sheepy intended fun wise.
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Jesus Christ. Alex posted publicly asking for opinions and suggestions kemal. It really does seem you're being a moron on that point. In what world is that not listening to both sides. It was on like page 8 or something he made his decision. And it wasn't what pre suggested.
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Test doesn't use nukes. They don't need to. They will dominate without. Let's take a good look and see
Neither does anyone on the other side...
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Lets go ron. FINALLY.
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Just a quick amusing side point. Yknow the change you made to the timezone to make it equal for more people? Cheers for doing this at 2am and ignoring that *fart noise*
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No one grouping/bloc/sphere can say they were honorable or respectful in that sense. Only one alliance almost has a untarnished history as far as I know, and that's been Cornerstone.
Everybody has done shitty things to gain a tactical advantage. That's the nature of war.
Wasn't it cornerstone that peaced out of a war after less than 2 days as they got beat so bad?, not 100%, but have a feeling you're right though, no one is an angel.
Rahl I'll do you a favour, your last reply to pre completely misunderstands what he said and makes no sense, hence the Steve comment. You're welcome.
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Meet you on the battlefield Phiney! We'll compare e-peens there
I very much look forward to it!
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No -- Nukes reduce resistance by 25. Your resistance needs to go from 100 to 0 to be beiged. So at most, you could take 4 nukes in a single war.
You're probably thinking two nukes because if you were playing (in my opinion, smartly) against an opponent who was only using nuclear weapons against you (to try and hit you with 4) you could defeat him in conventional warfare (ground battles, airstrikes, naval battles, or some combination) quick enough that he would only be able to hit you with two nuclear weapons before you beiged him.
Fair sorry I thought I'd read you say elsewhere you'd changed it from 1 to 2. Thanks for the clarification.
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Question, two nukes now equals beige right? So I'd you get a nuke from one then a nuke from another is that beige? Cheers xoxo
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Apologies, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. No, I believe the spies in the new system have this role because of the direct (and therefore intentional) buff to conventional damage by spies. From one military improvement's worth of units to something like 10% of units.
I'm also rather sure that Alex meant to make spies have a more prominent role conventionally, because it is a direct buff lol
He did, but he also wanted it to take longer to get there. He has clearly stated what was done was against his intentions in this update. Thats all I'm pointing out, is it really that hard to understand?
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And the point we're making is that no one stopped you guys from doing the same. Let's not kid ourselves here - if you guys had done what we did, no one would hear a peep from you - and that would be fair enough. Because it wouldn't be your fault and the other players had the dame options at their disposal.
I'm ttired of using the word "retroactive"...
But retroactive measures such as this one betray the confidence of the players who trusted the admin to not change the rules mid-way. I believe he cares about that because, even if it doesn't look like it, I still believe he's a good admin.I can't be arsed, just read what Tywin wrote.
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You're completely ignoring that spies in the new system have this role because they kill other spies with 30% less efficiency. You guys basically exploited Alex foegetting about disabling spies to get the best of both systems.I think this is true only at face value. Sure, the side who blitzed and received a 'spy advantage' will retain a 'spy advantage'. However, spies have completely different roles in the new and old systems, and so the spy advantage will be completely different.
Spies in the new system are extremely valuable in regular warfare. They provide significant supplementary damage alongside a regular core of forces. Ops still deal little enough damage that high levels of coordination is required in order to edge out an opponent and snowball an advantage. With teamwork and planning, spies become an x-factor that can edge out city (recruitment) advantages.
Spies in the old system are nuke killers. They deal insignificant damage to conventional troops for their cost, and cannot be utilized in high enough numbers (3 ops per day) to even gain an advantage by sinking impractical amounts of money into it. It counters point-and-click nuke turreting by slightly more coordinated pointing-and-clicking.
As you can see, SyndiHQ would not have put work into a clandestine offensive to gain the old system's spy advantage. We may have surprised a lot of people if not for the decision to spy blitz instead
besides Prefontaine-the-All-Knowing. Alex, please do not equate some avoided nuke damage to a conventional warfare edge.That is the point Alex is making.
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Ah, I see you have retreated from the position that I am always saying that I will quit. The new mantra is that the people who know game mechanics should have communicated with sheepy. We did. We told him not to execute the changes he was considering. He did anyway - this is a trend. If sheepy listened to us we would not be in this situation. If sheepy listened we would communicate with him.
Try another tact.
Lets stick with the same tact.
I still believe you have always claimed you will quit when sheepy says something you disagree with.
I still believe that it's christmas and I cannot be bothered to go through 2800 posts to prove it to you.
I still believe that you thought it a fact your soon to be president could never be.
I still believe that if you had planned this spy attack more than 2 days in advance at least 1 person should have notified Sheepy that he has forgotten about spy attacks not being able to be retaliated against by disabling the war system.
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In one thread you claim that this was a hidden, from admin, fact. In another you claim that it was known. Make up your mind.
Sheepy, you should have just not made this entire update. You were told this and ignored it. Now you have screwed over a decent chunk of your player base. Whatever, we needed the challenge and the tears make it sweeter.
To quote my favourite film, 'Are you mental?'
I said you hid from the admin the fact that spying was still possible and exploitable whilst the war system was disabled.
I said you and everyone else on Orbis has poor opsec and we knew about the intended attack before the spy attacks begin. This is to do with politics and obviously something Alex would never know about.
Where on earth are these two statements related to the point that one contradicts the other?
Good effort though.
edit: sidepoint, to the few that are suddenly saying they trusted Alex not to change from what he has said, where have you been and what have you done with yourselves.
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You guys are vastly overestimated your opsec. It was known before you started spying. 'giving away this advantage' isn't a thing.
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Can I be honest here? Private or public, it doesn't matter how Pre did it, it can still come off as whining. I still don't get how doing it privately is better and I don't think Pre shouldn't have bothered because something like this did look like something Sheepy would have shared with the community because the outrage it would have caused if he didn't would have been great especially if he did take action.
But I do think this whole topic has made me think of some things: 1) did TEst know spy ops were still in effect before they got spied on and if they did why wait until it happened to you guys to complain? Hoping this isn't the case because that seriously brings up the narrative of "it's not so bad until it happens to me". 2) I've already stated this in the other thread but again TEst knows who spied on them and they could have actually acted accordingly and prepared to counter when the update came.
If you wanna say "but we were going to be at a disadvantage" I'm gonna be frank and say "work with it". In every AA war one side has always had a disadvantage and they needed to work with it. One example I can think of was the Silent War when BK got dogpiled and took some damage. We had to work with it, coordinate with allies, and push back. Considering how TEst is a military AA that loves to war, something like this could have been worked with and honestly if the two sides went to war and you guys won despite this disadvantage, you guys would have had access to some serious bragging rights and gained a lot more respect by simply going to Sheepy.
Anyway, hope this makes sense (wall of text aren't my speciality when I'm under a lot of stress and running on fumes xp), and maybe gives you guys something to think about.
just to provide a decent enough response. No, spies were not thought about when sheepy said he planned to disable the war system as we did not plan to use it to hit anyone, To be honest, aside from the fact that im impressed with the planning and forethought of the people that did think of this, Im a bit disappointed they didnt alert sheepy of his sheepishness and remind him that he should also disable the spy system as the two are linked.
If we were working on a plan to disable an alliance as clearly TKR and co were we would probably have thought of the whole spying un-reprimanded technique they have been using, however Id like to think we would have informed the admin of this realisation of his lack of forethought but who knows, this is something no one can say for sure.
I completely understand what people are saying in that yes we could have done what tkr and co are doing, however, we didnt plan to launch an aggressive war over christmas, which explains why this wasn't thought about. I don't blame the people doing whats being done for doing it, but I am slightly disappointed a workaround from the admins intended actions was spotted and he wasnt alerted.
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Maybe I need to help you articulate now, what I'm saying is he complains on whatever changes as they come which he doesn't like. That his complaining isn't new and even if NPO for example had done this to TKR instead, he would be out there complaining about it. Like I said, he's that type.
I don't know if he asked the admin to rollback though. I hope not. He had a bad solution for it if that is the case.
no one asked for a rollback. The only person that likes rollbacks is Sheepy. Pre asked sheepy privately if he meant to allow spy attacks without war retaliation. Sheepy said no, and made a post about it asking for public opinion. In said thread, pre made a post detailing a potential option. A number of people jumped on this post as the only possible option and the thing sheepy was going to do. Half way through Twyin (you, but im writing this for others,) came up with an alternative. A number of people that were complaining about Pre's proposed change that Sheepy was apparantly doing (according to no one but the people apposed to pre's suggestion) ignored any other solution including Tywin's suggestion. Sheepy clearly saw Tywin's suggestion and has decided after thinking about it to go through with it. A number of people on both sides agreed Tywins solution was the best for both parties (didn't disadvantage anyone). Other people who had been vocal against pre's suggestion decided anything that wasn't what they wanted was terrible and against them. People decided to whine against this change and make this thread. Here we are.
That is a brief synopsis of our journey so far. Tune in on the 27th to see how it turns out.
edit: for tywins sake, No, I STILL cannot be bothered to search for proof, as, after a quick look at your history and how this forum works, posts only go back 40 pages deep, and 95% of your posts are about donald trump, which clearly worked out well for you.
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But but but what happened to using "get gud" as our catchphrase?
He forgot that when he forgot his morals. Jodo I love you man and I'm quite sad to hear you talk shit about us, but there you go.
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Waiting for you to show me a quote of what you are talking about. Go ahead. Waiting.
Cute ad hom btw. I guess my inexperienced ass along with others didn't just rock your alliance into a ball of whiny tears.
I pretty sure there's more posts whining about a change that Sheepy never said he would do or even think about doing in the most recent announcement, from you side, than there is the opposite.
Also, I'd love to but it's Christmas day and I super cannot be bothered. But I can confirm you are the biggest whiner ever to exist, and you whine about anything and everything regardless ever.
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Alex is saying spys will maintain their current ability. Also, he is saying not disabling spies with the war system was a mistake, and using spies so aggressively so they could take advantage of the update spies are to going to receive is abuse of his mistake, which makes realising this pre to him disabling the war system and not informing him of it, a super shitty thing to do.
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I think he didn't think about it, I'm not the best person to answer though, he should know that. I personally didn't think about it though. That's why my first message was saying it was impressive what you guys did.
To be honest, if you guys did indeed think of the workaround long before it happened or, as Alex has called it, exploit, and didn't say any thing that's pretty shitty. Also lord rahl thanks for the detailed 'Hahahaha no' reply but I'm very serious. You have either claimed experienced players or yourself (yes I'm not saying they're one and the same) will quit after pretty much every change Alex has made.
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I believe we said this once - recently - as in now. "Everytime" lives in your mind and your mind alone pre.
You can try to pretend that you did not get a bobo on your buttox and go running to admin whinning. But you did. Those are the facts and that is what is really going on here. It is pre who needed a safe space.
However, I am enjoying your tears.
Hahahahagaha sorry but I've only read this far and need to reply to this. You personally say you'll quit so often no one takes you seriously at all in the slightest.
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So alex, lets simplify this choice for you a bit.
Option one: You allow Test & co to regain spies beyond the normal limit, method is irrelevant./Lessen the effects of missing spies.
Option two: You leave things as they are.
Under option one, you are effectively screwing SyndiHQ. Which has as a group spent both money & time to obtain a tactical advantage for a war. We have also revealed our intentions to start a war, actually it would be fair to say that the war has started. You can likely assume that both sides will attempt to attack as soon as the beige timer ends. Messing with spies at this point would the equivalent of resetting a blitz. Or completely delete the effects of TI, something that allowed our sphere to grow to a point where a war with test is practical. Regardless of how you do it you are deliberately using your admin powers to shift advantages around & away from people who earned them using your mechanics.
For option two, yeah it sucks to be test, however they still possess a massive city advantage, which is still an overriding factor in war. All the spy ops allow us to do is drag them down into our range for an actual war. Additionally, while the response to being massed spied is war, it would still take a couple days or so to build up & organize a blitz.
Or, the much better option 3, as has been suggested, and just don't roll out the spy changes for a couple of weeks. Solves all issues.
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Pre informed sheepy about spies being used in an unintended way as Sheepy doesn't think about things well. Sheepy is now posting asking for opinions on what he could do as he has admitted he made a mistake
Fixed it for you mate.
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Prefontaine, Out.
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Oh shit, I guess this means I can finally leave too. Cheers for taking over mate, you !@#$ing smashed it and kept us true to our original values which was all I asked. One day when I finally finish a game I hope you fancy giving this shit another run out.