Saru
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Again. Nothing to do with being prepared I had max everything for my nation and it wasn't enough when 5 nations where lolrolling me. I CAN max out units each day and it's still not enough to fight back.
You shouldn't be able to fight back if 5 nations are coordinating against you, and you're not receiving sufficient help from your allies. Given that you know there are only 3 defensive slots, it shows that you overstretched yourself. If we make it so that it's possible for someone to stalemate in a 5 v 1, the game is not worth playing.
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I actually like this solution. War can still hurt as people can't re-buy units within 24 hours. You still need to be prepared because some units cost a lot of resources and you need it on hand.
So noone will hold military until they engage in a war. Heavily unrealistic.
There isn't an issue with the current ingame mechanics, you just have to be prepared.
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Silly idea imo. In our war v PC, who were significantly bigger than us at the time, we managed to do just fine. In fact the ranges being as flexible as they are make it very interesting on an alliance wide scale in terms of organising the war and targets. It adds a certain sense of realism too with nations being able to attack a larger pool of nations... it would be extremely dull if you could only attack nations of a very similar size.
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You just go !@#$ yourself.
Talk about getting mad.
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I'd laugh, but unfortunately I already know you took this serious.
Clearly you don't know Under.
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And, oh, the fact that they're the only way to win the war and get at their resources/bank.
It's an awful strategic decision to start sending your opponents to beige when you are in a war with an alliance. Beiging should be strictly reserved for raiding.
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I think you're supposed to be able to attack someone that's sitting on a beige? One nation I'm currently attacking is on beige, and I can still airstrike him.
Maybe it's a bug
Yes, you are supposed to be able to continue attacking... However new declarations cannot be made.
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Oh no. A tragedy.
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How bad would these negative effects be? Also I would rather we didn't over complicate things and make it even more micro management focused -- but it seems like we're going further in that direction.
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I don't really understand why we are arguing here.
UPN and EoS's initial military success is indisputable.
But it is also aided by the fact that we assaulted 2 already engaged alliances, and war does favour the party that strikes first.
So we don't have the upper hand because we're supposedly better than SK & TCS at fighting
We have the upper hand because we have twice their strength and military hardware and caught them while they were occupied with another major alliance, if we didn't have the upper hand under these conditions, then we'd be terrible alliances indeed.
In any case, if there's someone who's distinguished themselves in this war so far, I'd say it's Empire of Spades.
The blitz they pulled off is impressive by anyone's standard, and it's made finding free slots quite difficult for some of us.
Hear, hear!
So back on topic. How long before UPN overtakes GPA for the #1 spot?
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Let's have that debate. Question, How was anyone except VoC wrong?
Let's not clog up his thread even more.
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Well your logic was coming to defence of another alliance was not an aggressive move. So by your own logic they are not aggressors as any alliance that has joined the war has come to the defence of one of the sides.
the only alliances that did not "join" the war are TEst and VoC (using the assumption Legacy were never involved in the same war as they sometimes claim)
Yes, that's my point. Either TEst or VoC can be branded as the aggressors, depending on how you wish to frame the initial events that led to this. It's another debate entirely on who was wrong/right in that situation. In regards to all the alliances joining the war since then, it depends on the intentions they came in on... If their intentions were to be opportunistic and lash out at an alliance they disliked, I would argue that it's aggressive. Our entry was purely in defence of VoC, as opposed to proactively seeking to hurt someone. Believe it or not, we think very highly of SK and have no reason to want to hurt TCS either.
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Mostly the follow up statement in which you seemed bewildered that I wasn't impressed. You expanded the argument here, not me. You have also taken the usual stance that I am out here to spin things against you and what not when I am merely stating facts. I'm pretty much done with this anyway.
I know it's hard to sense emotions over text, but you are particularly bad at it it seems. I was far from bewildered, more so confused as to why you would decide to comment on a statement, that's fairly objective in nature in saying that it's "looking good for UPN." Your reply hasn't got much to do with what was said, as it was obvious that emperor was talking about how things have unraveled up until now. You clearly decided to assume that we are already claiming victory, which we clearly have not done.
Like I said before, me pointing out that thus far UPN have put in a good show can't really be argued against. And in no way, shape, or form is that a bad reflection of SK, who have been honorable opponents to us so far.
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By this logic there are no aggressors in this war. That's not possible is it.
The debate lies in whether VoC or those who attacked them are the aggressors.
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I never tried to diminish your victory, just saying that calling a war a victory a day in was premature. The fact that you pressed me on whether I found it impressive or not was entirely of your own doing by asking me.
Also stating that it is "impressive" and the fact that you seemed shocked that everyone doesn't see it the same way is pretty close to bragging. You're not the only one guilty of it btw and there are different standards flying around.
Stop putting words into our mouth, just so it conveniently suits your argument. No one called the war a victory -- you seem to have just assumed that, on the contrary we have said multiple times, that this is just the start. You responded to a general statement of "it's looking good for UPN." And thus far, that's pretty much an objective statement. We know ourselves that it's still early days, so I am not sure what exactly you are arguing about.
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Of you're on the side of the original aggressor, you are still an aggressor. Or, if you want to look at it a different way, if you are declaring war on someone, you are an aggressor. The only alliance that has not declared on anyone is TEst, although you could quite easily argue our RoW with ppc was aggressive. You can't DoW and claim to be defensive
Of course we can. Our mutual defence part of the treaty was triggered the moment the forces of SK/TCS decided to attack VoC. It is a defensive reaction, by tautology.
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Nobody is doubting what you done. It's the bragging about it.
"Winning" on a flawed mechanic that has been brought to Sheepys attention and is be worked upon according to him. Can't truly be called impressive. However you've done well and fair doo's on that.
However the point still stands. buttrushing most of SK who're already heavily enguaged and then calling it a "victory" isn't a bad tactic it's just silly to brag about it.
I am merely pointing out the facts. And you act like we are the only ones to have benefited from the "flawed mechanic." I am sure that you recognise that to take real advantage of it, it took good coordination and planning, on a mass scale. If you don't find the work that the defence department put in impressive -- then that's on you. We had 25 people on at blitz time ready to hit their targets. How is that not impressive?
And again, I feel like you are not comprehending what I am saying. I am not talking about the targets that were already struggling against VoC. I am talking about the very specific targets that VoC asked us to hit as they had trouble with them -- and they still had great armies for their size. We also managed to hit people who were not even involved in the war, up until now. It was our organisation and swift actions that enabled this, it wasn't just down to a flawed mechanic. Keep in mind that I am not saying that it is somehow a poor reflection on you, or that this war has already been won -- far from it, it's very early days. Merely saying that I am delighted at the showing our members and government put in.
As for the perceived "bragging." It's only coming about and prompted because people are trying to diminish our accomplishments. Just because it is early days, doesn't mean that we haven't put on a good show and that it's looking good for us.
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Forgive me but I'm entirely out of the loop. Who is PPC? From first glance it looks like OP is from UPN, so who is PPC?
A military bloc which was composed of the forces of UPN, GUN and EoS. Since then GUN have decided to merge into UPN, and now it's essentially the banner that the joint forces of UPN and EoS operate under.
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The aggressor usually always takes the victory in a war. A full strength aggressor against a already battling SK, I'm not going to be shocked that you are winning and not completely impressive. Nonetheless you are ahead in this war.
The aggressor? Nice spin. We are merely coming to the aid of our allies, and reacting defensively -- something that SK should of known we were going to do when they attacked our allies, and I have no doubt they expected it.
As for the statements trying to take away from the fact that we've made an impressive start to the war, in the beginning stages BLOC and PC made similar statements. Look how that turned out for them.
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I have to disagree with you there. UPN came in against SK who's "military you've wiped out".
Who's military was already in a weakened state against VoC (Because you can't re-buy max after losing due to game mechanics) Hitting nations with weakened military then holding them down isn't impressive.
It's a shoddy mechanic what needs to be worked upon somewhat.
I ask you to re-look at the targets we de-militarised. Because they were specifically nations that VoC said that they had issues with and were struggling with due to military size. There's also several nations that weren't hitting anyone but had really strong armies for their size, and we decided to take them out too. But yes, the mechanics need to be reworked, because it was fairly easy for us to take down those targets -- although it did take a reasonable amount of time to coordinate it.
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Early days to be deciding that.
He merely made a statement about how things are going so far, be it early on in the war. Of course it's looking good: we have wiped out the military of the main threats which were passed to us by VoC. So already our objectives to assist them have already been met in a sense. If you don't find the amounts of damage caused since our entrance, while taking virtually no damage ourselves impressive, then you're really not being honest.
The outcome is yet of the war is yet to be determined. But yes, it is looking good for UPN -- objectively, albeit early on.
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Didn't UPN join about 12 hours ago? Can't really say you've been in the war yet, give it a couple of days and then you might well be doing quite well. These stats are great but kinda useless unless they were done from the beginning of the war. better than not at all I guess!
SK, who UPN concentrated upon, have experienced over a 700 score loss since our declaration -- despite them actually gaining a member, so in reality the score loss is was even worse. The vast majority of threats which have been causing trouble to VoC and the primary targets that they had passed on to us, have already been dealt with. Given that we enterred not so long ago, I think we're doing great. Especially given that fact we're not going all out yet, for obvious reasons. But you're right, it's still very early... it's just a sign of what's to come.
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Sad to see this but glad to have you guys with us!
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o/ PPC
Not now, most of them are coming.
Beige offers protection so I ask them to stay there as long as possible.
I am so glad we allied the folk in the game with common sense.
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Spartan Declaration of War
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Give them hell EoS.
Are we allowed to share? Ran out of SK targets already.