Sabcat
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Here's the problem like you said, grey area. At a certain point, it will influence the direct action in-game. e.g. "I don't want to sign a NAP with X because I feel I got a raw deal in my relationship with x in the other game(subjective) and I don't think x will uphold it, " "I wouldn't trust x for a second", or "x would do y". It ends up becoming a majorly influencing factor as soon as it is allowed in play.
The analogy I would counter with would be more like this: two people go to a different country but one arrives there much earlier. In their country of origin, they had a falling out and the one who went earlier was in a weaker position in their country of origin and their views didn't prevail. When the other person arrives, they try to use the fact that they have arrived earlier and have a higher standing in the new community to freeze out the other person, while claiming to not allow events that occurred in their country of origin to influence their actions. The consequences of actions taken in the other are by nature carried over once judging someone based on a different context comes into play as something to base decisions off of, which will happen short of a conscious effort to avoid it(this would be the "separation of games" thing or OOC/IC distinction).
I would say it is only taboo because people have wanted to avoid it just being a continuation of other games and insisted on the pretense of leaving their previous baggage behind. The point many have tried to emphasized is they were looking for something different and a fresh start. The other context doesn't as it is not a carryover of another nation simulation game. There has been some emphasis on trying to distinguish in character actions from assessments of a person. If people wish to drop it and accept the full implications of such, that is fine as I've said, but then they can no longer claim they're separating the two. It is not an a la carte decision.
Something different, a fresh start might be a world where NPO and their tiresome imperial decrees are not dominant. Keeping things fresh, preventing them from gong to shit would very much involve preventing NPO from having a dominant position, or any position of any significance at all because you're so frightfully dull.
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Haha. Remind is all again how this has nothing to do with (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways)?
We're talking about a war you started and lost you mad !@#$. Is it about (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways), is that why you did it? Oh well, pay up or keep burning.
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Who actually gives a shit what caused you to not like each other and be enemies? You are enemies and don't like each other. Done.
This whole exercise of assigning blame going back years is a peculiar problem with this community and linked series of games. It's strange when the actual object of the game is to go to war and win.
So much this. Who cares what the reasons are for the animosity. If NPO didn't want to trade on their reputation then why the bloody hell are they here with the same name and the same flag? I don't even particularly dislike them from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways), they take themselves far too seriously (which is hilarious, <insert another dentist reference here or a plea for rl cash>) but beyond that, I've never had a specific run in with them. They're here though and they're all whiny that they're getting beaten up on for being who they are. Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.
Let's keep fighting until they pay up or go away.
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I can't imagine why anyone would want to change his mind, his whining and gnashing of teeth at the injustice of it all is beautiful, let him have at it for as long as he wants.
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Seeing you guys getting so sore about (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) being mentioned, maybe you should bribe the mods to delete all references to NPO-(That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) mod bribery.
You know.
Like the good ol' days.
:^)
If it's really going to be the good old days their emperor needs a trip to the dentist
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Everything seems to be settled, not sure why everyone's posting about it. War continues.
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Yeah we're all totally quitting. Give yourselves all a high five.
Excellent news. Best possible outcome for the good of the game. NPO is a tumour
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NPO have boxed themselves into this position nicely. This pleases me. How long will it take for them to cease to exist? Can't come soon enough,
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Enough of this crazy peace talk. NPO look good on fire.
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I've only been in BK for around a week myself, I've not been very active in this game at all, the alliance I was in for a few months before BK has no forums, doesn't use IRC and barely exits. BK are very organised and are active on irc and the forums.
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Hey Zog, good to see you here. There is a war and it's....I've no clue what it is, I'm just fighting in it
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Class War
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Why are you so butthurt over a spelling error I made weeks ago?
I didn't even know you'd made a spelling error
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Animals are not sentient?
He means they aren't class conscious
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That is not the case if you are educated in BrE (British English) orthography. How many times must this be explained? BrE orthography is characterised by several differences from its American counterpart. I personally wish that BrE would become the international standard for English pronunciation, orthography and vocabulary.
Imagine the wondrous effect of a British Academy of the English Language, similar in function to the l'Académie française!
I like that English is not standardised and that some words are spelt differently depending on location. I live in a part of England where, like Americans we write the word mom, everywhere else here they write mum.
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Left and Right are both ends of the mainstream bourgeois system, ie both sides support capitalism, except that those at the far-left support a restricted capitalist system. Ultimately there's only two real political positions; bourgeoisie and proletariat, because both classes have diametrically opposed interests as economic classes, one class waxes rich from the labor of the other, and the other waxes poor by having his labor expropriated. It's impossible to have a middle ground between capital and labor, because to support one means to hurt the other, and visa versa, and to support neither means to abstract oneself from reality. Trotskyites, Maoists have proven to be on the side of the capitalists, firstly because Trotsky was nothing but an agent provocateur encouraging terrorism and sabotage within the glorious Union of Soviets from his base in America at the same time as the fascist world powers were encircling the USSR, thus Trotsky threw in his lot with the Nazi/fascist powers. Mao proved to be on the same side as capitalism by his detente with the murderer Nixon.
Do you realise that your politics mean nothing at all, have no place at all in the actual world where actual people live actual lives? It's just a meaningless stream of drivel. You might think that the reason people think you're a weirdo is because you've attained class consciousness and they haven't but that's not right. It's because you're a weirdo with shit politics.
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There's numerous problems with a left alliance, first and most importantly "left" is a broad term covering Trot/Leninist idiots who don't realise history has left them behind, social justice warriors who have all but given up on the material world turning instead to policing language and being right on. There's others on the left but these two groups are a pain in the ass. They're useless misfits who, if they hadn't found politics would be banging a tambourine in the Jesus army. They don't get on with each other let alone people outside their clique. Forget them Hereno, you can't keep them out of a left alliance and why the hell would you want a left alliance anyway?
Have some fun instead.
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We have a pretty clear track record of keeping neutrality. A whole years worth of time in this game, and countless years in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways).
What he says is true, if you were waiting for GPA to do something exciting in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) you'd have died of boredom. Massive nations, years old, zero casualties. They're boring but they're harmless.
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As someone pointed out before, GPA profit when others go to war, they're kind of like the the Swiss, all cuddly and neutral on the outside but vaults full of the gold teeth of the murdered. Absolute scum but we need those scum, who else is going to sell us steel when we've destroyed our mills to build tank factories and airforce bases.
Leave the war profiteering pretend hippies be, we need them.
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Mistakes were made, and mistakes can be learned from. Of course I'm in favor of a "ruling class", it's just that I'd prefer that the workers be the ruling class (who constitute the vast majority of society) rather than the bourgeoisie.
The reality is, it is impossible to be a revolutionary without also being an authoritarian, all revolutions are about imposing a central authority which represses its opponents and denies them free speech or rights. The French Revolution replaced feudalism with bourgeois "democracy", it did so by inflicting terror on its enemies and thousands of aristocrats and clergy; the opponents of the new Republic. A socialist state, which replaces bourgeois "democracy" with socialist dictatorship of the masses would naturally be extremely repressive against former capitalists, landowners, military officers, criminals and other opponents.
The opponents of Leninism seem to live in some shiny Ivory Tower where revolution is a completely rosy picture where no one dies. I mean look what Engels had to say on the topic:
So much confusion in one post and a handy little straw man as well - In my criticisms of Leninism I've not once mentioned an aversion to violence.
The problem Leninists and Marxists generally have is that if they are to be believed they're agents of history, the collapse of capitalism through class struggle is inevitable whether that ushers in communism or barbarism. The problem with this is, it's largely bollocks. Soviet thinkers knew this, Nikolai Kondratiev and his wave theory is probably the most notable, of course although he might well have been right (and the intervening 70 years since his execution have largely vindicated him), he was imprisoned and then shot. Reality is a persistent bastard and has no respect for the Central Committee which is why there isn't one any more.
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Same thing, the policies eventually led to perestroika/glasnost, which led to the dissolution.
Which is, however you look at it, a failure of Leninism. The cod science dialectic is/was/always will be utterly meaningless when looking forwards. That's the failure of Marxism and by extension Leninism with the added bastardisation of "class consciousness" into a liberal justification for a ruling class.
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You really ought to educate yourself, there's many works which detail exactly how the USSR restored capitalism:
You seem to misunderstand. I'm not talking about the internal policies of the USSR, I'm talking about its dissolution.
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Fail? Under Stalin's Five-Year Plans the USSR had the largest industrial and electricity output in the world. The country went from having practically zero industry to having iron and steel industry, aircraft industry, automobile industries, tractor and machine-tool industry, modern chemical industry, a coal and metallurgical industry, a textile industry. This industry exists to this day and is this the industrial base of Russia. What industrial achievements do Hereno's anarchists have which exist to this day?
Also funny how every single one of your criticisms of Leninism is word-for-word the exact same "communism has failed" criticism of the capitalist right-wing press.
So that was the Leninist project, industrialise a largely agrarian society of the course of a few generations so that......it could be handed over to free market capital? Absolute shite, the Leninist project was supposed to be a transitional step on the path to communism. It failed.
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I'm not going to even read this garbage until you learn to use paragraphs and proper grammar.
"Marxist-Leninists" have established more long-lasting states in the actual real-world than your political line ever has Hereno. You will forever he arguing on the internet and your politics will never have any influence anywhere.
Also the "anarchists" in the Ukraine were bandits led by a military dictatorship.
What sort of weak, mealy mouthed crap is this? Leninism, by it's own measure has never done anything but fail. What makes Leninism and Leninists unique is their inability to see what's wrong with the ideas, instead it's reality that's at fault. The continued clinging to this dead ideology is no less insane that Fukuyama's declaration of the end of history.
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Dear BK and NPO
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If NPO are this annoying here when they're losing, imagine what a royal pain in the ass they'll be if they ever have any power or influence.
This thread is why NPO need to be kept down.