Francis Underwood
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Punishing the alliance and not punishing the members still punishes the members. It affects their growth, and their pride afterwards. By offering white peace to individuals you are seeking to destroy their alliance, by means of incentives to leave said alliance, by destroying that alliance's chances to rebuild.
No, by offering individual nations a way out individuals who disagree with the actions of their alliance can avoid further bleeding for them.
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Glad to see this.
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I have a serious question. I sincerely hope that this thread is not trashed by trolling. Where are the rules/guidelines for an alliance to state a valid reason for a declaration of war, i.e., how is a valid causus belli defined in P&W? I ask because this term is bandied about like it is the golden ticket to Willy Wonka's factory. I checked the wiki and found while there are plenty of historical references to current and past wars (sometimes multiple references from multiple points of view) there was no wiki page outlining what is a "valid" causus belli and what is not.
If there is a comprehensive checksheet against which an alliance can gauge the legitimacy of their reason for war, how was it defined? Was there an international conference or forum thread from which the entries were determined by universal acclaim or, barring that, simple majority? How can one change these criteria? Is there a process or some sort of oversight panel? WHO CONTROLS IT?!?
I await your responses. Thanks.
It's up to everyone to define for themselves and usually the majority in any given situation will determine the validity for that specific situation.
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Perhaps you don't understand our conviction.
When I first joined the war, i did so because i was ordered. I lost roughly 10k infrastructure in the matter of a week. When I first was hit by your allies, and the dog piliers, i had no reprieve from this- i was blockaded for a week. When i decided to check our forums, and saw that you required us to submit several times more in bank and resources to you for reps, i was angered. I lost more than many of your men. I was content for white peace. Shellhound stepped down, and the new leadership took over. The war that was leaked by some of your own people, the war that you wanted- Was on our heads for preemptively trying to disarm your ability to fight. If we did accept the terms, we would be paying not for our meddling, but your own. There had never been an intention for Guardian to attack rose. There had only been an intention to incapacitate you to the point you could no longer have done us any harm.
Even then, we had no intentions for asking for terms.
We would not have requested reparations, and we have taken a beating ourselves. By demanding us pay you for the war that you wanted, it is contrite. Guardian will destroy, and we will destroy until you accept peace with no terms. it is disrespectful for a request like yours to take place.
Even now, we have no intentions for asking for terms.
You misunderstand our conviction. Loyalty, Justice, Honor. These are words that you may not understand, and that you've violated in some way shape or form.
Justice- You ask for terms for a war you would have started yourselves if you were prepared. A war in which we were so heavily outnumbered that our slots were full for days, could have been weeks even. As you ask for reparations, look to your own greed as the cause for your destruction.
Honor- You must take us for fools if you think we'd accept such dishonorable terms. We do not have the resources, and the destruction that you've caused was greater in every means than ours, yet you ask for reparations, nonetheless. You ask for reparations for a war that you would have started, and one that would have been very different if events had unfolded later.
Loyalty- You question our loyalty to Gaurdian. I have seen more activity in the last few days on our forum, since i voiced my opinion than i have for many months. You question our loyalty to see things through, and you question it through asking for termed peace. the thing is, when this is over, we will have won some battles, we will have won some wars, we may lose in essence, but we will never lose in spirit.
We still hold Rose in high regard, We still hold others as well.
We do not hold you in high regard. We see your avarice and greed, and you will pay for your sins.
By "exposing" us you have proved your true intentions, That after a war instigated by yourself and many others, That after a war in which BOTH sides lost, You still hold your greed above your head. You hope to put outside pressure on us, but fail to realize that you are only making it easier for us to show your true colors.
We will fight on the beaches, We will fight in the Gardens, We fight on the sea.
We will continue to fight for guardian forever.
Whatever you're smoking, I want some too.
Stop acting like Guardian was a single entity that caused this. The leadership was the one who wanted those attacks, and we were told the entire reason for attacking was to stop VE from hitting us first. Everything ever said by our leadership was in theory, besides that.
The membership is responsible for the actions of its leadership. You tolerated them when times were good so you'll face the consequences of bad times.
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Spite, do you actually speak for anyone other than yourself? Because you sound like a very bad looser right now, and to be honest I don't think you have anything to boast about on a personal level. It just sounds petty/childish and kind of damages the image of Mensa HQ when you talk like that.
I use valid arguments and logic covered in rough language. You use ad hominem arguments and unsubstantiated statements covered in sugar coated language. Check this pyramid out: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg
Please just stop.
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Pre-empting an attack on your alliance is not a CB?
Only if said attack wasn't a pre-empt to proven previous attack plans.
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In other words, you're saying we shouldn't have complained about reps when none of did complain. That's sensible.
Despite his phrasing I think he wanted to direct his point more to the greater group of people complaining rather than Mensa who as you said haven't complained as far as I can tell.
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Alternatively you could have an option in the member rosters to show or hide vacation moders.
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Here is something interesting, then. Mensa getting off with nominal reps was in part because Mensa had hit the zero tier and that they were dealing almost as much damage as they were taking. Guardian and SK, on the other hand, are still in the mid-tiers, so the ratio between damage dealt and damage taken is much more favorable to the VE-side. Mensa was dealing lots of damage to the VE-side once they got pushed into the zero-tier. Guardian and SK, on the other hand, do not have this capability.
Is the VE-side going to implement harsh reps on Guardian and SK? I can almost certainly imagine that their reps, on a per-member basis, will be more substantial to Guardian and SK, but will it cross into the category of harsh?
Rich, coming from you, but of course, you never launched a NoCB war and lost.
You weren't in on coalition considerations regarding terms and are simply wrong.
Indeed, I never did launch a NoCB war.
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As long as you know you've set yourselves a precedent for the next war you're involved in, then go on your merry way.
If I launch a war without any kind of justified case and end up losing it I deserve to pay.
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Pretty sure they paid the price in being rolled. War is very damaging and that should be plenty.
The amount they got in reps is relatively tiny so why not just scrap reps all together, and come off looking like the better person and avoid a repeat war later on. Just makes no sense to me diplomatically and politically.
Yes, because making it clear unprovoked aggression results in more significant punishment than a regular war is truly a horrible thing to do.
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It's been a good fight, enjoy peace Mensa.
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Backfire War
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You guys in WWF are great fun to wrestle with. Much kudos to the three of you who have me in a headlock and are currently punching my brains out
Likewise, I am definitely enjoying the tango with some of your members
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Well this is a surprise, welcome.
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Honestly, the WWF hasn't done anything to us. Our members are using the opportunity to raid their members for some free money (since they haven't built up military for the most part) but that's about it.
Not sure why you even bothered to declare war tbh.
So much salt.
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Ambition, it is a trait I can very much admire in people. It is the drive to achieve a greater status than you have and it is not something I can fault any man for. The line between ambition and hubris is a very thin one however. Crossing it is when the big dog swiftly turns into the pig in a roast.
By attacking our ally the Viridian Entente, while simultaneously plotting the undoing of their own allies the opponents have shown they do not in fact know where ambition ends and hubris starts. I will gladly teach them.
The World Wrestling Federation hereby declares war on Mensa HQ in line with the New World Order.
Nothing lasts for ever. Even the longest, most glittering reign must come to an end some day little piggies.
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Show them VE.
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Hello,
A few days ago I transfered my nation to Tunisia to move to the African continent. However in-game my nation has shifted to Europe despite clearly being on the African continent on the map.
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There is no patience for useless things, it is about time FSA was put out of its misery.
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Cap some !@#$es Syndicate
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Nation Name: House of Cards
Nation Link: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=11990
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Deez nuts?