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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    13 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

    Given the original people who made the claim have backed off it, and are no longer responding or claiming we wanted the one day war nap, I suppose that settles the issue.

     

     I was directly responding to his point that if I wanted to convince random members of what I was saying, I should log dump the information I'm referring to, by explaining that my goal wasn't to convince random members.

    Are you upset I'm not trying to convince you? Is that what the rant is about? What exactly would that accomplish?

    I was having a direct argument, with very specific people, and others chose to interject. If I had simply ignored you, and not responded to you at all, would that have been preferable? Seems like that sort of thing is what you were just complaining about.

    So essentially you’re upset that “random members” such as myself interject in your discussion between the elite members that you want to talk to? I’m sorry to rain on your high gov parade. Unfortunately, I’m just not as important as you.

    You can feel free to keep trying to make me feel bad or stupid or uninformed as much as you’d like, but it doesn’t change the fact that you all made a lame move signing this NAP and your several attempts to blame it on TKR are pathetic and, in many respects, complete fabrications. 

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    Posted · Edited by lancelot1

    1 hour ago, Sketchy said:

    To be honest, I'm not interested in whether or not bystanders or random members believe what I'm saying.

    Dude, can you make it more than 4 sentences without giving yourself a high five over how involved you are in the goings on of Orbis as compared to others?

    As surprising as it may seem, even those of us that need a telescope to view you up on your high pedestal are allowed to comment on this forum and sometimes, even we lowly peasants, understand some of what’s going on this game. 
     

    In fact (brace yourself before reading this next part because it will shock you) our TKR gov and high gov members even sometimes ask the “regular members” our opinions before making a decision. I know I know, wild stuff. 
     

    All in all, it’s lucky for your alliance’s “regular members” that you are such a benevolent ruler given the lengths you’ve gone to make it crystal clear that you don’t care at all what they—or anyone not special enough to be one of the extra super duper elite alliance high gov members—think.  

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    12 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

    I accept your apology, and I am thankful you have seen the error of your ways. I am impressed by your humility, coming forward and admitting to such inexperience is a true sign of your fortitude and character.

    I sincerely hope TKR will deign to give you another shot at high government in the future so you can complete your training, you deserve it.

    Gotta give props that one made me chuckle. Well done 🍻

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

    in Alliance Affairs

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    21 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

    I am a firm believer in helping to train the next generation of TKR leaders so they too can come and gaslight me on the forums.

    Yes yes, I know, very saintly of me, contain your praise, it truly is a thankless job, but we all must do our part.

    I was TKR high gov for two years so I’m all set with the lessons, as much as I appreciate them. I apologize for not giving you my bio before daring to speak to you. Heavens only know the embarrassment you must have felt having to speak to a “regular member”

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    Posted · Edited by lancelot1

    26 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

    Not trying to hurt your feelings bud.

    But considering you are struggling to follow the thread, and think our argument is that TKR tried to join this nap(?), you should perhaps let your government handle this.

     


    Thanks for the advice, bud. I think my reading comprehension is just fine though. 

    Let me know if you need me to quote reply the many comments arguing that TKR was trying to join the NAP. Or since you seem to not know how to scroll back to see prior comments on the thread, I can help you with that too. 

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by lancelot1

    54 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

    Bro you a regular member you don't know shit lmfao

    Go sit in a corner with Who Me and play some baseball

    Wow what a great comeback by you. My feelings are really hurt now. 
     

    Shockingly, even me, a lowly “regular member” knows that TKR was not trying to join your ridiculous NAP. You guys should stop claiming that we were. 

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    1 hour ago, Keegoz said:

    The claim hasn't been debunked btw. You guys saying it is false doesn't make it an automatic truth. We have enough evidence of TKR lying to our faces already, it's beyond pathetic and the basis of why we no longer trust you.

    It’s completely false, which has already been said multiple times in this thread. You don’t have evidence that it’s true because it is not true. You all made this deal for your own reasons. TKR was not a part of it and was never trying to be a part of it. 

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    7 hours ago, Sketchy said:

    "Rescued"

    ODOO set terms and conditions on us for their entry that were undoubtedly beneficial to themselves. Their entry was self interest, a prid quo pro. By that point in the war, we had already taken all the damage we were going to take.

    Peace negotiations with SAIL and us would have taken place and been finished well before the extended war would have, had parties remained in the coalition instead of peacing out.

    We could have taken a long NAP and sat and allowed for things to play out without us. It would have been more beneficial for us to do so. We opted to make a deal that would prolong the conflict we had already been fighting for 2 months (preceding 2 months of fighting others) in order to make a move that would benefit all parties, That would have committed us to at least 5 months of straight war.

    The assertion that we were rescued from anything is laughable. I'm not going to expand on what your terms were, despite the various wild claims being made here, but the fact is, you guys had a deal on the table that worked for you, and that is why you helped.

    And then you walked away from the deal. And very abruptly. We all know how much of a mess that was.

    As far as us being "angry" goes, I hadn't really intended to get involved in this discussion much. But certain claims were made here that required addressing, and I think it's interesting you guys have chosen to single us out, given everyone else who signed onto the nap, including alliances you claim to have good relations with, and, all in all, we owe you the least here besides perhaps Eclipse.

    TKR immediately planned to attack us as soon as the Fortuna war in which we fought together was over. And they did, bringing in Syndicate. That put us under a NAP cycle, the same one that prompted their entry into our war later on.

    TKR made a deal that, as I said earlier, was beneficial to them, in order to bring themselves in, and then when things got too hairy for them, struck a different deal behind our backs, and attempted to exclude us from the process, which would have inevitably left us in the same war they are purported to have rescued us from lmfao.

    These are all claims I can easily support with evidence, if I have to. Despite all this, we have not gone after or targeted you directly, this entire time. We could have easily sought revenge on TKR/ODOO for your previous attacks on us, we could have easily sought to align with people attempting to hit you this cycle, and, with this nap in place, we could easily align with the current coalition against you. Instead, we have, more than once, attempted to work with you, and find mutual common ground and cut deals with you that would work to our mutual benefit.

    But past behaviour is a pretty good indicator for future behaviour, and TKR has proven time and time again, that collaboration with you ends poorly for us.

    Perhaps you'd prefer me to sit alongside you, whisper sweet nothings in your ear, and pretend like I wasn't one of the alliances who signed onto the NAP? Given who you guys have chosen as the target of your ire here, it feels to me that you'd rather hear comfortable lies than brutal honesty.

    You guys signed a 4 month NAP following a 3.5 month NAP. As far as I know, that’s an unprecedented move, and, at best, is an extremely boring attempt to avoid having to fight wars. You then spent half of this thread claiming TKR is only mad because we were trying to get in on the deal. A claim that has been completely debunked as a lie. But you’re still trying to spin this in your favor. This was a lame and pathetic move. Just own it and say you did it for your own self interests and move on. Stop trying to justify it. 

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    37 minutes ago, darkblade said:

    You say that like your alliance wasn't in the process of negotiating a NAP agreement themselves. I don't know what your government has been telling you, but they sure as hell lying. And it's not just us saying this. Everyone who signed this NAP knows that TKR is talking out of their ass and not telling the whole truth.

    So you’ve given up defending your decision and decided to start lying instead? 

    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

    in Alliance Affairs

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    You guys can go back and forth with the blame game and rationalize your decision all you want but at the end of the day you still just signed a 4 month NAP that was not preceded by a war. I’ve never seen something like that in this game. Regardless of your reasoning behind it, it’s a chickens**t move and it’s pathetic. I hope your members recognize that even if your gov apparently does not. 

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    [Treaty] Why NAP when you can sleep?

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    I cannot fathom proposing something like this or agreeing to it. Why anyone wants to have their name attached to any alliance involved in this is beyond me. You should all feel bad about this and I can only hope your members recognize how pathetic it is to agree to something like this. 

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