[Sanctuary Pulls Out]

This is one of the most utterly pathetic things I have ever seen.  Why would anyone want to be your ally?

[Make war have real stakes]

21 hours ago, Kojema said:

1. Perhaps, change the OP's "city deletion" to something else. I suggest something non-permanent and easily attainable. I do not know the limitations of the game engine or the server so I am not sure if this would even be feasible. However, if population took time to build up instead of just appearing after buying infra, then nukes could hold more weight. I understand that would be a lot more calculations every tick though.

2. Adding to (1.) There is no real tie-in for the population in this game other than providing taxes. Soldiers don't come out of the pop counts; nukes may kill pops but doesn't mean anything; and the city improvements run themselves in a sense without workers. This could add some more depth to the management simulation side of the game if population requirements had to be met.

I am just tossing around ideas for discussion. Please don't flame me.

These are all excellent thoughts.  You could have proper population growth models depending on how much space there is to expand, birth rates based on health and pollution index + immigration, etc.  Migration from populated cities towards empty cities that have rebuilt infra because they were nuked.  Six months to a year to recover to pre-war levels?

[Make war have real stakes]

CN died because the admin was absent and refused to make updates to the game.  Tell me, what has Alex recently done?  Added a field for National Animal?  Oh boy, groundbreaking stuff.  I am certainly not comparing today's CN with today's PnW.  But old school CN was miles better than PnW today.  The question is how to improve this game, here and now.  The answer is to stop making war consequence-free.  It simply is not damaging enough. 

PS: PnW is never not going to be a bipolar world no matter how much people want to dress it up like that.  There's nothing inherently great about our "multi-polar" world if all those "poles" are really the same group bound by secret treaties and they just dogpile targets of their choosing who haven't figured out yet that it's not really multi-polar at all.

[Make war have real stakes]

Just now, Zurg said:

I love the suggestion of making war  more harsh to the loser. I also love the fact you have fought 85 wars(losing 41 of them)in 829 days. You are losing another set of wars now. You are the perfect person to give advice in this scenario.

 

Let me ask you this, would you be willing to flip a coin over losing a city if you get nuked? If not, what else do you recommend? 

I'm willing.  But I also recommend other smaller probabilities for other types of attacks to destroy a city.  Obviously, all should only be implemented after this war concludes and we have another boring fricking NAP and whatever.  Nothing that impacts the current war.  But YES, the loser should face consequences, and it also must be costly for the victor to deliver those consequences.  Yes, please, make it matter.  Just make it fricking matter.  I have no investment in this war, it's boring.  I know my survival isn't on the line.  I'll fight, I'll try to do as much damage as I can, but it doesn't matter at all, lol.

[Make war have real stakes]

2 minutes ago, JadenStar10 said:

Lmfao, we dont wanna scare people so much to go to war that this turns into CN 😂

But seriously, this has disastrous consequences. Cities are the main permanent investment in this game, killing them means people lose their progress quite easily, especially with how easy it is to use nukes, you're gonna make Wampus c10 soon enough.

this is the idea.  old CN before the game died was hella fun because s*** had consequences, survival was at stake, wars mattered.  politics was interesting.  when people posted a DoW they articulated reasons for doing so, instead of the indecipherable diarrhea that passes for a DoW in this game.  PnW is boring and for losers.  It doesn't have to be.

[Make war have real stakes]

42 minutes ago, hidude45454 said:

I read the title of the post and I was excited for a second because I finally thought that if you died in PnW you would die irl

But tbh as a proud ally of The Immortals (and Lord Tyrion) I'm in favor of nerfing all loser weapons (nukes/missles/soldier suicides)

how can there be loser weapons if there isn't even a loser in war?  oh no, you killed all my planes, guess i better wait it out and then just rebuild to my previous level after there's white peace and another fricking 3 month NAP

to be clear, i am down for giving immense triumph attacks on land, air, and navy a chance at destroying cities as well.  !@#$ it, make everything have a chance.  as long as people can't just wait out a war and then rebuild right back to where they were with 0 investment or effort.

[Make war have real stakes]

Give nukes a 50% chance to destroy a city.  Not just the infra but to actually delete a city.  Make people think twice and have a real reason to go to war.  Would make the game actually interesting. Meaningless wars after every NAP expires is a boring gameplay loop.  There has to be real consequences.  Maybe interesting politics will actually develop then.

[Murder of Floyd and the Rioting that Followed]

Anyone who says "all riots are wrong" doesn't understand history and likely leads a cushy, comfortable life, ignorant of the oppression other people have to deal with on a daily basis.

Sometimes, a good riot is the only way to truly break through and gain equality and rights.  Sometimes, it's the only way to grab the attention of ignorant people leading cushy lives.  Sometimes, you gotta break things before you can fix things.

[The Hollywood/Roasis War has concluded]

11 hours ago, Mayor said:

Maybe don't have a bunch of people war evade or just sit around not getting involved and war performance will actually improve.

Well, all the dead-weight, useless nations have to find a home *somewhere* in this world.  We now know where that is.

[(ROH) HedgeFund Awaaay]

this thread is a valid cb

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"Trust me guys, we're still legit, keep giving us money"

[Arrgh! Seeks Refreshment]

Have fun, my old friend!

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4 hours ago, Nokia Rokia said:

fastest 1.5bil of my life 

i am not certain of this

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In other news, I would like to announce that I am opening a bank, $5m per share, with 2.5% monthly growth.  Just send me the money and I will keep track of it all.

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I literally don't feel sorry for anyone actually stupid enough to "invest" money with these sorts of groups.  Do you really think that it's going to end in anything other than an exit scam?

[[Sphere/DoW] We're going to hollywood]

Eh, as long as Rose and TI are getting smashed, have fun.

[[Treaty Cancellations] So Long Friends]

16 minutes ago, Sval said:

A clear and blatant hegemonic move by Quack.

I was hoping we would just become a hegemony after the bullshit in the last war, but alas.  Blowing up Swamp was hella fun, though.  At least I assume it was, there were not many targets in my range.

Gonna miss all you fine lads, o7

[Death]

17 hours ago, Leopold von Habsburg said:

Looks like divine intervention returned things back to normal. 

 

Raoul's triumph got blueballed hard.

Wait, did Alex step in and reverse this?

[SNN-The Muffin Man]

"Plus quack doesn't get half the arrgh hits we do
Our mmr is much better against pirates"

This was my favorite line in the whole thing.  Thinking being the easier, softer target gives you "better mmr" is fricking hilarious.

[[Peace] Liberty Surrenders]

3 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Poaching is 100 percent real, and of course it can be used as a CB.  If you sent a message to all my guys saying hey CoA is better than grumpy and you should come join us.  After we finished laughing at your ridiculous message, we could 100 percent use that as a reason to hit CoA.

It would show weakness.  Is GOB such a miserable place that you're at risk of losing members because someone sent a message?  That would be quite sad.  Any alliance that has its IA in order should honestly thank other parties for stripping away disloyal members and dead weight.  Needless to say, the act of "poaching" in this sort of  mass-messaging manner is pretty stupid for the "poacher," as they would get only bottom-of-the-barrel members for their efforts.

Yes, "poaching" is often used as a paper thin excuse to start a war, when one can't find any better reason to start a war they want, but it isn't a real CB, it simply isn't.  It also indicates that an alliance views it's members as property instead of free individuals.  It should be no surprise that the origins of this "CB" come from off-world, from none other than NPO, when they needed an excuse to hit someone, and also because they're a literal cult. 

It's also usually rolled out when one individual makes a free choice to join their friends in another alliance.  For that reason alone, the norm of using "poaching" as a CB should be done away with.  People should be free to make that choice, and bad, whiny leaders need to take the message that they're a shit leader if they can't retain people.

[[Peace] Liberty Surrenders]

"Poaching" is not real and not a CB.  If you can't keep your own members engaged and interested, that's your problem.  Weak alliances blame others when their members leave.

[The Title says it all]

5 hours ago, Nokia Rokia said:

Never said we were OP maybe watch the video 

Furthermore i never said lets have water under the bride that is in fact the complete opposite of what I asked for I deliberately said lets talk about any issues and work on matters if you dont watch the video and want to continue to make uninformed comments that are infact unrelated to the topics in the video than see yourself out of the conversation 

The onus is not on us to listen to your fricking dissertation on how you'd like US to reach out to YOU to settle matters that you're responsible for.

[The Title says it all]

4 hours ago, Nukey6 said:

Anybody feel like TCM is trying to be a mix of CC and TFP?

 

tl;dw If you dislike TCM or Nokia then send them a message and talk to them because they want to be friends and it is all water under the bridge at this point. Nokia's social skills needs works so know that he holds no ill will towards anyone so if he seems mean then it's probably just a misunderstanding. There are specific messages in this to Havgle and Aurora about stuff so watch it or smth. TCM wants allies also or something idk treaty talk makes me uncomfortable I only reply to treaty posts on the OWF to seem nice.

 

This really wasn't the right way to send this message. It's admirable that you want to improve yourself and your alliance but this isn't going to help. It would have been better imo to send messages to people who may dislike you instead of posting this where people such as myself who do not care about this will see it. 

 

P.S you speak too quietly

Oh, so they're upset nobody likes them, and just wants people to stop not liking them and wants it to be "water under the bridge" for the things they did that make people not like them, because please?  The old "I am unhappy with the consequences of my actions" thing?

Good luck, lol.

[The Title says it all]

24 minute long video-format-only announcements are a valid CB

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Congrats on the upgrade KT!