Ashland
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Seriously, this is a internet browser game, the 'I'm bored' CB is perfectly valid. Everything else is just fluff, often worded to make people feel justified in what they do. You are not real leaders in charge of real people, there is no blood upon anyones hands, it's a bunch of pixels. 'I'm attacking you because...' is as valid a CB as one constructed with fancy reasoning.
Build it up, to smash it down is pretty much the essence of these type of games.
Not every alliance's leader funnels hundreds of dollars into their AA every month. We can't ALL get our pixels back so cheaply. Just saying. But yeah, you're right. You don't need a CB. But if you don't have one, don't be surprised when what happened to you happens. Basically.
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Generally an attack with NoCB, or no credible CB usually occurs when one side is part of an alliance system that comprises the majority of the world system, where treaties can be called upon and consent can be manufactured to secure an attack even without a real CB. As far as I could tell, what happened was that despite having significant military and political heft, Mensa, SK, and Guardian did not make sure to secure political support from allies even in the event of a CB-less attack, and consequently ended up getting dogpiled by over 3 times their number, with alliances that could have been neutral or swing jumping in to punch in their faces.
That's why people claim this is amateur hour; no-one competent would have committed to this, and in this way. On the other hand, in a case where the attacker can get away with a CB-less attack, the attacker simply won't get punished for the CB-less attack, except if it's done retroactively after future wars.
So punishing Mensa et al for attacking without a CB has no real deterrent effect because no one will attack without a CB except in cases where it is unlikely that they will lose. It's an extreme tactic, but a valid one in some circumstances.
Mmm... They actually did their homework, but poorly. Rose was initially fighting WITH them, but attacked them a la Tenages. The rest of the people who attacked them were alliances that had had to endure an Orbis the LAST time Guardian and SK won a large war against their opponents and, for better or for worse; correct or incorrect, went "No, sir." more or less simultaneously.
There were people with axes to grind.
There were people who just wanted to see the erstwhile top dogs get knocked down a peg. It was a mish mash.
Idk if anyone involved had a grudge against Mensa, but people definitely didn't, like, NOT want to hit them.
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Good fighting on both sides.
Ilu Conroy
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Let's be honest though, there was no need for BoC to break the NAP and risk a potential bad PR hit. Mensa was already swamped with alliances.
We could have spied you like nuts. And you could have done the same to us. Given that we did not get spied more than a few times (and we know exactly who did it) and I'm pretty sure you didn't get spied, like, at all, we both know that neither of us broke that part of our word. Which, despite our differences, shows that both our alliances at least stick to our words and we don't descend into petty squabbling-
*looks at thread*
We don't go back on our word.
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1. I can confirm no such order from Pfeiffer has occurred. A couple of people got gagged for being !@#$ but no order to be 'nice' occurred.
2. So you were planning to break the NAP. GG
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Regarding CBs:
From Mensa's perspective we had a CB, assisting allies. Whether this is a CB to you I don't know, but to Mensa there is no world or time in which it is not. In any case congrats to the victors you fought well.
Whut? No, the quote was quoting Phiney. We were originally going to attack TEst. You'll notice that Mensa did not get so much as brushed by spy attacks. We could have gotten away with that and we didn't try. We stayed impeccably faithful to the NAP which, to your credit, you have as well.
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Wow, you really are more of an arse than I thought, ask Ashland, I thought you were bad but jeez. Just admit it mate, you had a design, that didn't happen, therefore it didn't go as planned (it's right up there in that definition you Googled). Your spying was a big waste if money, In the end you should have just stayed out and you could have decommissioned earlier, and therefore continued to build, made the most of the elevated market prices and surpassed other warring nations and alliances.
Well that's true for every war. And it wasn't a complete waste of money. It was pretty fun and excellent practice for our newer members.
This is a Mensa-UPN circle jerk thread, go take your butthurt BoCness elsewhere...
This actually made me laugh a great deal.
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BoC takes over thread and makes it nasty. GG.
Yes, and the nastiness on your declaration thread was our fault too, right?
Mensa members were given orders by Pfeiffer to be overtly nice on the OWF to try and patch up the PR hit you guys from being such pricks. That is what is happening. Everyone knows it. It is completely see-through.
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Both are !@#$ tier...
I'm so glad this is all it took to get people in Mensa to ignore what are clearly orders from Pfeiffer to be nice on the OWF. There goes what little of your reputation you could stand to salvage.
Phiney: For the first wave, it was by design. After that it was by coincidence and odds. UPN is larger and has more people in range of Guardian (Which is who we were told to fight). So obviously the odds of someone in UPN filling a slot before someone in BoC did so were pretty good.
We were initially bracing for a much larger conflict for BoC, with your alliance, and by the time our declare date rolled around we found out that we weren't warring you AND most of Guardian's slots were already filled because UPN had already gone to war. So perhaps design is the wrong word. But we did hit who we were told to hit and cooperated insofar as there were slots available.
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Yay for peace.
BoC peeps: No, just no. You're marginally better than Terradoxia this war. This thread has been pretty positive, take your toxicity elsewhere.
Says thread is positive.
Insults two alliances in one post.
Estelle, turns out we're the a$$holes! I'm so sorry, you guys!
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I love the radical attitude adjustments Mensa will undergo overnight when they start getting hit.
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So uh... does that mean Mensa should be decomming spies right now?
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Not that would matter considering some of the posters still lingering around as it is. Reputation doesn't seem to be of much value here other than when it's convenient for someone to pull out their dastardly deeds card.
Reputation is valuable. But I see that Mensa continues to refuse to learn the lessons that this war has to teach it.
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Ashland, what probably is the specific day will I receive the loan?
Let's say five days from now.
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Nation Name: Wengland
Alliance Name: Commonwealth of United Nation States
Credit References: Paying back other alliances
Guarantor(s): (Nation(s) or Alliance(s)) - CUNS (Alliance)
Daily After-Cost Revenue: ~$1,350,000
Did Someone Refer You To Us? If so, Who: CUNS members
Amount you would like to borrow: $12million
What Is Your Investment Plan: Develop my nation
I, (Allilee of Wengland), agree to the following if I choose to accept a loan from the Cirrus Bank:
-Pay all interest associated - what we agreed (pay $500k a day, for 25 days now)
-Repay the principal
-Act in good faith to repay all my debts and refrain from misrepresenting my intentions or history.
I also give the Cirrus Bank, or whoever may hold my debt in the future, the right to reclaim my debt through the use of force. I agree to inform any alliance I may join while holding this debt of this arrangement.
Approved. 7.5%?
Nation Name: Liber
Alliance Name: Uranicus Socialtas
Credit References: none
Guarantor(s): (Nation(s) or Alliance(s)): none
Daily After-Cost Revenue: 2, 310, 533.78
Did Someone Refer You To Us? : Nope
Amount you would like to borrow: $20, 000, 000 only
What Is Your Investment Plan: +100 infrastructure on each city, which will boost revenue.
" I, King Lasceay of Liber, agree to the following if I choose to accept a loan from the Cirrus Bank:
-Pay all interest associated
-Repay the principal
-Act in good faith to repay all my debts and refrain from misrepresenting my intentions or history.
I also give the Cirrus Bank, or whoever may hold my debt in the future, the right to reclaim my debt through the use of force. I agree to inform any alliance I may join while holding this debt of this arrangement."
Approved. Same interest.
Give me a couple days for the money.
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Yes. It's nice when people are honest about breaking the rules. But everyone in the game who just didn't break the rules is better.
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As per your message in game, I would like to apply for 20 million loan instead. I rather not involve my alliance in personal loan stuff . 7.25% is acceptable to me.
Sounds good.
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depo 22M
Noted.
Yes that sounds good thanks
Sent.
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Nation Name: Guns n Roses
Alliance Name: Australia
Credit References: Previous Dealings
Guarantor(s): (Nation(s) or Alliance(s)) - Australia (the Alliance)
Daily After-Cost Revenue: ~$2,750,000
Did Someone Refer You To Us? If so, Who: Guns n Roses
Amount you would like to borrow: $22m
What Is Your Investment Plan: Distribute funds to members to build cities, infrastructure and develope commerce improvements.
*Please note this is an Alliance loan!!!
I, (Guns n Roses), agree to the following if I choose to accept a loan from the Cirrus Bank:
-Pay all interest associated
-Repay the principal
-Act in good faith to repay all my debts and refrain from misrepresenting my intentions or history.
I also give the Cirrus Bank, or whoever may hold my debt in the future, the right to reclaim my debt through the use of force. I agree to inform any alliance I may join while holding this debt of this arrangement.
Approved. Same interest rate and condition as Vincent. Although I suppose since you're the leader you can just say that your alliance guarantees it. Basically you'll be using your alliance as collateral.
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I would like to amend the amount in my earlier application to 30 million, if is not possible then maintain it at 25
Approved. Given the war that just occurred the demand for cash is going to be very high. How does 7.25% sound to you?
EDIT: Also for such a large loan, I will need a representative of your alliance gov posting here that your alliance guarantees it. It's just a rule for anything 20 mil or over.
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HOW MUCH FOR AN HJ?
500k
We call them hand parties, though.
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I undercut by 10-150 depending on the resource. Willing to give up a bit to get the cash sooner and not bother with undercutting wars. I hope that's alright. And if it's not... well, I don't care.
Also, that Mensa guy who said you're stupid is correct.
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Send me a new meessage. I don't recall it. Sorry. Must've gotten lost in the shuffle. It happens.
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Cirrus will be resuming business as normal in three days regardless of whether or not the war is over.
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Surely as an alliance leader you cannot be this dense, Morgan. I've seen your posting, and you're clearly bright, so no need to play around. There's a heavy difference in attacking the largest alliance in the game with a combined force of three alliances (all of which combined have an equal size to the defending alliance) and joining in a 4v1 pileup against an alliance which has zero chance of retaliating. By attacking VE, we knew there would be blowback that was roughly equal in strength to us -- whereas you attacking us (after preparing for 3 days) has no chance, whatsoever, of any negative repercussions for your alliance.
So, actually, yes -- comparatively, attacking VE was "braver" than this attack if you want to compare the two. Only a fool would disagree.
This declaration of yours is just PR & loot-seeking, nothing more.
So like how you guys hit SAI-40 and posted a long-winded thread about... what was it?
Right. Honesty. Not betraying people. Being true to your allies.
Do you see the irony given what happened on your guys' side?
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The Cirrus Bank: NOW OFFERING CONSULTING!
in Free Trade Market
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We only accept deposits of 500k or more. A loan might be better for you, to be honest.