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Just now, Epi said:

Tbh, pinning people is totally pointless. I've explained this to a lot of my own coalition. If we get pinned, we can suicide squad and just stick on them like ticks for over a year. 50 people x 5 wars x 3 days. We can beige 500 people every week xD. And that's legit with nothing but soldiers. It's impossible to actually suppress an opponent in politics and war due to daily bonus and the 100k reserve your opponents can't loot.

The nature of war has changed in the past few years. Losing doesn't really matter politically and it's easy enough to catch up. We need a new system to force parties to surrender, because with the current model we're just waiting for grievances to blow over. And in the case of this war, it's been 7 months and people with 10 years of beef are content to login 3 times a day and express their rage.

Pinning does more than beiging does is part of the problem but you are right that PnW is set up to make it so that folks are never entirely helpless - especially those with large city counts that can afford to throw soldiers endlessly. You are also right that there needs to be a mechanic that pulls folks out of the war. The trouble is that the only ways I could think of doing this would require rather large changes to the game, lots of tracking, and would impede the ability of midwar political maneuvering.

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28 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said:

Think this war has showed a Coalition doesn’t need to give peace even when the enemy is pinned down & seeking surrender. If people could recover easier, maybe everyone would have moved on months ago.

I rather doubt that but this war has proven that the system is still broken. The only reason the war continues is spite, distrust, and poor diplomacy really. Both sides just have leaders and diplomats too prideful to move on (for good reason or not).

Edit: Specifically doubt that the war would be over and folks would have moved on.

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3 hours ago, Epi said:

Wouldn't it be awesome if in beige you could just rebuild your entire military. And make the subsequent round more than keeping people pinned. It might buff uppertier but meh, at least there'd be a point in growing. 

The trouble is that keeping people pinned is part of the win condition - that's simply how this sort of game goes. Certainly not the pinning itself but removing the will to keep fighting and opening negotiations. This can be seen in any number of PvP games. If it seems like the current war has dragged on forever imagine what it would be like if everyone was back on their feet two days after each and every lost war. There would be no winning or losing there would be, at best, exhaustion.

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1 hour ago, flav said:

Gotta say, dont know if its a first, but this is the first time ive seen an allience roll over without declaring a single offensive war

I mean there was The Originals which declared on Goons and then promptly all went into vacation mode minus the inactives.

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3 minutes ago, Tymeier said:

This is unacceptable.

 

I wanted to have an excuse to eat popcorn.

Look, you had at least an hour and a half. We're busy people!

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3 minutes ago, Archibald said:

I'm confused. Are you declaring on GOONS or Goon Squad? I can provide a little clarity: Goon Squad doesn't matter to anyone. And I'd coup Marx myself is GOONS ever tried to sign some treaty with TMC. 

It was literally me raiding a couple of them because they looked juicy and were within raiding tolerances. I think they screwed up and added Goon Squad due to the name and now Goon Squad is also attacking.

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I was mostly bored of babysitting dead nations in the big war. I had a couple open slots and found like seven juicy targets. I wasn't going to deprive myself of a bit of fighting and looting. The mass vacationing is disappointing - I guess I'll just have to come back in a couple weeks to three months.