Taliburn
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EoS - UPN merger wasn't on the cards before the war kicked off. It was the war itself that caused a lot of tensions among the members of government and was a big contributing factor in the EoS split.
Carry on with your silly conspiracies though.
It seems like YOU are the one who wasn't informed as apparently you don't know Shit. Maybe you were just being like you are now so they didn't tell you. Because it's really hard to believe you are in the dark with all this... But like i said before, go ahead you know everything about everything...
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You said that you knew what the plan was for a FACT. That's a fairly big claim to knowledge. Yet admittedly you weren't around in the relevant channels on IRC, where the planning and discussions for this went down. You are not in a position to speak about our objectives.And i do know for a fact still... Go figure, i'm not in gov and i don't go on IRC....whatttt?What are you contesting? I told you that we were well aware that TAC were still going to pose a threat, unless we carried on with the war at the expense of the game. Let's not use a variable like score in this situation, as it's a fairly bad metric, given that we were really early on in the game. The amount of days the war was fought is probably the best indicator.The days is your indicator? Don't you think that war till you arent a threat to us no more would be more relevent? After all that was your reason for denying us peace last war, wasn't it?Imo they will pound on us until we pose no significant threat, and our upper tier is eliminated completely. Try and push their advantage on the members who are struggling, and try and bleed us of members. Like I said, they won't make the same mistakes we did.
So now it was a mistake, But before it was a plan?.... Whatever, say what you want, spin what you want, try and act like we are all the ignorant ones, we all know what happened and we all know what your trying to do. DOne
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I've already repeated my stance on the whole issue, multiple times. I don't claim to know what the motivation was on EoS' part to kick off the war, but at the start of the war UPN genuinely believed that we were responding to a tangible threat posed by the alliances proactively involved in making plans to take us and our allies down. We then followed through, and TAC came to us for peace immediately. Given the fact that we still believed that threat was real, it would be nonsensical for us to accept peace, and not neutralise the threat. After a few days, of talking to people and seeing how TAC were holding up, UPN had an internal discussion, and we decided that we cannot continue pounding on TAC for the best interests of the game -- and I very clearly said that this is a risk, and not an action that would serve only our own interests. The consensus in UPN was that with the benefit of hindsight we realised some mistakes were made in regards to how this war kicked off, and that as one of the larger alliances, we have to take the effect of our actions on the games long term viability into account. After the war, we made a genuine attempt to build bridges. But it seems like the plan to attack us was already in place, and that there wasn't much we could do to change it. So there were several people who outright lied to our face, with the intention of giving us a sense of false security I suppose, but also being deeply disrespectful in the process.
For UPN the last war was never about taking the top spot. We literally went through with something that we all knew would either be a net loss in the long run, or we dominate and have no mercy on the enemies but most likely ruin the game in the process.
All BS, Just like you didn't know EOS was disbanding after the war and thier members were going to merge into your alliance and you will be so big that TAC wont ever be a threat again.
But that wasn't said either, because you have this delusional way of thinking that we are all retarded and everyone will believe what you say...
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I don't recall ever seeing you in any of the relevant chans, or being involved in the discussions between the UPN gov members, and Casey/Diabolos. And don't try and speak on behalf of UPN, and our intentions, which you knew nothing about. Claiming that you knew everything, already makes you wrong -- because quite clearly you did not.Did i ever say i was in GOV channels? But it's ok, you can put words in my mouth, you have been doing that in all your comments anyways. But FYI since you know what i know, then you would know I hardly go on irc when football seasonj is going. Also Let's be real, half of EoS merged into You guys, just like members from TAC went to ROSEAlso you are being deluded if you think an alliance after a few days of war, is not a threat. We knew full well what the risk was in us letting them go.No shit, thats why you didn't give peace till we were knocked down 6k ns..We knew you were going to be a threat, at the point of accepting peace. Like I already mentioned, several of us, me included, raised our concerns within UPN's internal discussions. It was a choice between us going overkill on you, and making sure TAC wasn't a threat for the foreseeable future but setting a precedent that will probably kill the game in the process or letting them go and risk this war.Knocking someone down half thier NS is not overkill? So by your calculation when your alliance reaches 12k that would be fair?
Unfortunately for us I doubt that they will make the same mistake we did. I'll be interested to see if your opinion changes when you go beyond just "attacking" to going to outright overkill.
What would your definition be of overkill?
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I don't really comment much, but i know for a fact what the plan was, if you (UPN) members recall i was part of EOS right before war was declared on TAC. And everything you guys are saying is BS. You wanted to beat TAC down so you guys could gain the top spot. That's what the whole war was really about. Don't try and F@@@ing bs me. We (TAC) lost that war after three days and asked about peace because of the pile on, but nothing came about till TAC was not a threat and 6000k nation strength loss later when we were knocked from first to 5th and then and only then peace was talked about.
But the funny thing about this is that this was all planned way before war was declared and it backfired. But after war we grew so quick, it kind of pissed you guys off because you knew we were going to be a threat, when we built up post war to almost what we were before getting pounded.then changing over to ROSE. And i know for a fact(can't tell you how
) that not too long ago, plans were being talked about about Rose and the problem that we may be. So stop your BS lies and take what you gave, because if i were in GOV, after 6000k nS loss then we would talk peace... Do onto others as you would want them to do unto you.Enjoy!!
0/Rose
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Nice to have new brothers on green, welcome.
you need BLUE and yellow to make green.
Welcome to the world VE
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what you have to do is loan to the really small guys so if they didnt pay you back, you would be able to destroy them. As you grow there would always be someone smaller.
Also on a loan i think the loan + 50% payback would be fair to start. -
Whooooo hoooo the Rose is Back..
/o Rose
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I completely agree with what you're saying and everything, I'd just like to point out the hilarity of the comment considering it's from someone in GPA. the Green Protection Agency....
lol i didnt even see he was from GPA... I just thought that was the most stupidest thing someone could say...
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@hansarios & @vincent: it's not debatable.. Useless.. As long as we know what's the real score why EOS then UPN and VoC attacked TAC,(logically speaking it's not 1v1 as clearly TAC got its financiers outside of TAC so it's rightful VOC and UPN must join. We can see trade activities and TAC and it's allies are doing it.. Now, it's alright.. Just how funny they moved to purple to destroy the color bonus by economy is another thing that theyve plotted, and I'm putting up a draft right now about color change.. This to avoid, though rules in the game it's allowed they shift colors and divided their nations in alliances, to hurt the purple bonus, I'll be sending a draft that must be signed by our officers and Allies, if ever they would change to the color we choose, it will be an act of war and DoW it will be.
Afterall if we change to another color, they just can again easily follow our color and do the same old thing..
But this time, DoW it is... If it can be solved diplomatically, it's fine, but if not, force must be put upon..
What do you think you own colors now????
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Didn't the Flock disband a long time ago?
hahahah thats an alliance i haven't heard in a while
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I'm fairly certain that's because they never signed the bloc agreement. Pub said on IRC yesterday that TAC doesn't have a treaty with II.
come on you know to present logs when quoting what someone else said, or it never happened..
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Why is everyone getting upset that TAC started fighting a war against a bloc?
I thought declaring war on one is declaring war on all.
original response -And you really know what your talking about right?
edited response- After re-reading it i see the sacasticness in your statement
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Don't we already have this? I've been getting $10,000 a day for logging in.
Me also, i think at this stage in the game it is fair, but would like to see it go up later on down the road when nations get bigger.
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Those both work for me just fine. Must be a problem on your end.
Both work for me also. Can a bug just effect a few?
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We messaged one of the attackers and he wasn't going to stop attacks. We had messaged their leader and the attackers but didn't hear back until after this announcement. To answer you Malone.
How much time did you give him (leader)too answer you before posting this? I'm all for war, just think it's a little early for declartions. Good lck anyway, hope this can be resolved so you can start building for a much larger scale war..
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Where would you generate 20% payback in two days? Is that possible?
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