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35 minutes ago, Dubayoo said:

...because faiths are abstract.  Bigotry involves demographics which are concrete.  What's abstract is not concrete, so faiths cannot be bigoted.

Demographics are not a study.  They're simply data on populations like gender and race.  

You're also confusing the definition of "real" between how it can refer to what's physical versus referring to what's genuine.  Likewise, you're confusing the definition of human between how it can refer to mankind versus what's humane.

Yeah, I think I got your axiom now. Bigotry is an abstract on its own actually, it's not ''concrete''. It seems to me you are substituting the definitions of concrete or demographic with bigotry. You need to demonstrate bigotry not being abstract but concrete.

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5 minutes ago, Dubayoo said:

This is like saying, "If you have a square circle..." It just doesn't make sense.

Don't get me wrong.  I know how words are used conventionally in society.  The problem is our conventions confuse pseudo-beliefs with actual beliefs.  Our conventions look at what people practice and how people label themselves instead of actually analyzing the integrity of what we're talking about.

That's why what you're saying doesn't make sense.  There are "faiths" out there which claim to be bigoted, but they aren't actually faiths at all.

I do not understand how a faith cannot hold bigotry. Is it safe to assume my list of points represented you? You're being pretty unclear to me, you're not responding to everything. In a formal debate this can be accused as intellectual dishonesty but I don't want to go that far, I think you're cool. So bear with me please.

 

'' Our conventions look at what people practice and how people label themselves instead of actually analyzing the integrity of what we're talking about. ''

It seems to me you're saying that pseudo-ideology is wrong ideology?

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1 minute ago, Dubayoo said:

See what I said above about what's abstract versus what's concrete.  You're talking about pseudo-ideology, not actual ideology.

I forgot what ''demographics'' meant for a second there, wew.
My point is you gave this leap of faith. If a faith holds bigotry against certain people then it is not a faith? On what axiom do you justify this on?
Maybe I'm too tired but let me see if I even understand you:
1. Faith is abstract
2. Humans are real OR The study of populations is real
3. The abstract cannot be real
4. So to be biased against (certain) people OR reject the study of populations makes your faith not real.

I find this to be a leap of faith because it's on this axiom that bigotry is inherently bad I guess? Can you not use demographics to have a different interperation?
 

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1 minute ago, Dubayoo said:

Huh?

Without demographics, you have nothing to be bigoted about.  I didn't even bring up ethics here either.

You can have ideology that determines bigotry is acceptable or needed.
I bring up ethics because you are using the axiom that bigotry is bad, therefore any belief that supports bigotry is bad. Unless I am strawmanning you.

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Just now, Dubayoo said:

Faith is abstract.

Demographics are concrete.

What's abstract is not concrete.

If you claim to have a faith that supports bigotry against demographics, then you don't really have a faith at all.

Guess I'm the Devil's Advocate now. How are demographics relevant? How do you determine with your ethics that a faith ''isn't really a faith (meaning wrong? Just an excuse?)?

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20 hours ago, Spectral said:

If a user is being a bigot, for whatever reason in regards to race, sex, or sexual orientation, then I would encourage you to follow these steps, in order:

1.) Report it to their alliance leader. Having a bigot making an ass out of himself is a political liability. Most leaders will be more than willing to curb the user if there really is a problem.

2.) If that fails, and its happening in-game or on the OWF; report it to a mod. They will try to help you out, as that's a part of their jobs.

In the event that it's happening on discord, and not an area that the mods can help, then:

A.) Put the user on ignore, or leave the server that they're harassing you in. You can ignore them by clicking on their name, going to profile, hitting the three dots at the top, and hitting block. You can leave the server by clicking the three dots by the server name, and clicking the red 'Leave Server' option at the bottom of the list.

 

This is for those who actually face the biggotry, and not the ones piggybacking off the attempted movement to garner attention and trying to seem as though they're fighting for those affected by it. I have literally no respect for them.

What if it's part of my faith to do so?

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