Charles Bolivar
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+10 respect for going after Mensa in your first war.
Hopefully everything turns out well once this is said and done.
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o/ TKR.
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Going to nip this in the bud pretty easily.
The (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) declarations occurred 9 or 10 days ago ( perhaps 8, timezones and all reading dates differently on forum posts) . Most alliances allied to Syndicate and certainly all these in today's declarations have military builds allowing for a maximum of 3 days being required before nearly everyone achieves maximum militarisation. Some have ( Mensa I believe) an even smaller window required before reaching max militarisation. If what you say is true and these declarations from earlier today are a result of events which happened 9 or 10 days ago, this war would have occurred much sooner. Instead, today's declarations have occurred 3 or 4 days after the screenshot was presented implying the motivation originates from that screenshot which is based within this realm.
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You COULD just say the war was for Steve.
Why? We have you saying it in every topic.
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Glad that you came around. An improvement on the fully qualified village idiot.
I have still seen nothing concrete to show that NPO was actively plotting an attack on tS. And I was one of the few idiots who decided to actually read the two threads full of shitposts.
The logic behind hitting us is clear. But it is also clear that it was tS who wanted this war... anyone with a bit of time, and who isn't mentally handicapped will be able to see that.
And as a sidenote like I said, I just find it funny that some of my predictions in regards to you have come true yet again. I find it bizarre how some others are not capable to see right through you.
Careful now, calling people bad names and having negative opinions on a person's character is apparently an OOC attack nowadays
Nonsense aside and onto serious matters though, from my point of view, that screenshot from whatever branch of NPO's forums was enough for me personally in regards to a "reason" to start a war. Not because of any real dislike for NPO or indeed any alliances within that sphere including UPN contrary to what a few NPO members will claim but solely upon reasonable and rational thoughts in regards to that NPO screenshot. I am a bit more gung ho in my diplomatic outlook so probably and thankfully a good thing I am not involved in FA or gov at all for that matter but for me personally, that screenshot was enough " reason" for a declaration of war against NPO. People can disagree with me in that view or opinion but given the screenshot itself and the greater FA context, I regard our actions as the logical course of action. Sure, there has been plenty mud thrown around with all this nonsense of OOC attacks and blurring between games but the implications of that screenshot solely within this realm were really enough in my opinion to justify hostilities.
As far as I view it, that screenshot implied clear intent upon NPO's behalf to attack tS at some point in the future. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who did what first because that will always come down to perspective, NPO will say our sphere started militarising first, someone on our sphere will claim NPO or at least one of alpha's allies were aiding or at the very least acting as a stash for $ and resources alpha had accrued before the war and so on. I don't think it really matters because at the end of the day we have two alliances/spheres who viewed each other as a threat and both took valid steps to address the threat. NPO allied a bunch of alliances historically opposed to tS and who had fought tS before, tS decided to act upon a possible and in my opinion proven threat.
Essentially NPO acted like an enemy, allied with tS' historical and current rivals and was caught out with screenshots indicating hostile intent. Any alliance who acts like an enemy, looks like an enemy and hangs around with enemies in my book is usually an enemy. I don't like the fact that UPN had to be attacked and I dislike the fact that I or alliances within my greater sphere will most likely end up being at war with Polar particularly but at the end of the day, this is just the nature of the game we all play and I certainly don't hold any malice against any alliances involved. We all made our choices in our allies and sticking by them and we will all have to live with these choices and move forward and hopefully not let the eventual peace be held hostage by certain parties who have no intent other than to act like a pack of hooligans and vandals using whatever nonsense they can create to justify their actions.
Also, a shout out to hans who took a couple hard knocks so bambino could lay the smack down on me. +10 respect.
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I will note that UPN were fully honest with our intentions -- in that we will defend NPO in such a case, but we will not go aggressive on you to whomever asked.
I would say that this is why UPN has been attacked.
I don't think anyone in tS wanted to attack UPN, feel free to correct me if you have evidence indicating otherwise but when we received proof that NPO were actively planning for hostilities via that infamous screenshot then it really leaves us no option but to declare war. I am sure you understand why, simply can't allow future self declared threats in the form of NPO to grow unhindered and plot against us whilst they actively collude with their own allies engaged in active hostilities against us at the same time. That would be foolish and I am sure UPN would not have allowed such a state of affairs to continue if the roles were reversed.
You made your intention it sounds like to defend NPO openly clear, surely you couldn't expect us or anyone for that matter to just ignore that and allow you to freely counter us? If you indicate you are going to stand by and defend someone then that decision is always going to be factored into actions taken by other parties.
As for the UPN image, what would you expect tS to do? Let UPN defuse the situation, allow our self declared and self appointed enemies to grow stronger and attack us at a moment of their choosing for another reason? We simply can't always rely upon UPN for our own security and it would be foolish to even condone that sort of thinking and reasoning. We made our decision to take our security into our own hands and UPN decided to stick by their allies. Really not much more to it.
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@NPO: You guys shouldn have people in 2k score range with 90k soldiers. I declared the first war on him and killed almost all of them in the first attack.
Edit: Frawley could need a warchest, plz someone donate
100% taxes will do that
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Let us see if war is still the game they think it to be.
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My post was OOC, I don't think that was ever really a point of contention and it was fully meant to describe how I felt about roq in an OOC manner. The fact that folks are once again trying to warp it into some OOC attack just confirms everything I actually said about running around trying to get sympathy because at the end of the day, there was no actual OOC attack within the post itself. Unless of course having opinions on a person is now considered an OOC attack at which point feel free to run around saying oh noes, someone doesn't like me and said mean things about me, I am OOC attacked.
With that specific logic, describing anyone in a favourable or unfavourable manner must be an OOC attack I suppose, I could say I feel OOC attacked because roq called me stubborn and close minded. Or I could just say, take a teaspoonful of cement and harden the !@#$ up. Or grow thicker skin, either one helps.
Actually pretty sure you have called me a psychopath for that matter now that I think on it? Oh well, it's ok. I won't run around saying oh noes, I feel violated because someone on the internet doesn't like me. I will instead just shrug it off and post a gif or something.
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1. The argument is that your applied logic makes no sense and can just as easily be applied to counter your own arguments that MI6 = t$.
2. No, I am not denying that tS has a large contingent of (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) recruits. Yet tS does not profilerate itself as an MI6 branch. You on the other hand, do profilerate yourself as a NPO branch. While doing so, you are also the only party in the world (besides maybe alpha? Not sure there) who consistently tries to argue that t$ = MI6. By virtue of that, you bring (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) politics into PW. Look at it this way: An alliance that is officially approved by (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) NPO enters into PW with the same name, flag and high profile figures of that community. It signs a bunch of treaties, among which pretty much all of its (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) allies' crossovers. It uses cropped logs (and yes, I will continue to refer to them because they are relevant to your crossover) to simulate a threat to its security in PW, to recruit from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways). It refers to itself as a 'Branch' of (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) NPO. It brings its dislike for chim with it (because let's face it: Everyone and their mother knows that chim has nothing to say in t$, and you are the only one to take his word as being representative of t$. Your own guys have argued that he somehow does on multiple occasions now. The only way I can see them and you coming to that conclusion, is by concluding that you still view him as a figurehead because you view t$ as MI6 and therefore chim as being important in our community).
If you do not see the difference, I am not sure what to say.
3. Which alliance are you referring to? Why don't you speak clearly? Are you accusing TKR, your own allies? Are you accusing BK? are you accusing your allies in SK? Are you accusing Mensa, who never played (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways)? Let's be straight and open here, and see if your comparison stands. Because I frankly feel like its a load of shit which you should be called on. As for those bets: there is little merit in discussing the degree of risks perceivably taken by the Syndicate. The point remains: Your assessment of the Syndicate is proven wrong with regards to claimed emulation of NPO. I should also note that your claim that you were not referring to emulating NPO is strange. You literally said that that was what you meant in your earlier post. Why are you backpedaling?
4. The fact that I contemplated the possibility of wiping you out? I contemplate the possibility of wiping literally every new ambitious import community out whenever one pops up. I simultaneously contemplate allying it, keeping it at a distance and a myriad of other options. That's not 'concerning'. That's called foresight and planning. That's not about you in particular. It's about recognizing future powers and figuring out what approach to take towards them. NPO is not special in that regard, as you seem to believe.
5. Pacifica is not seen as a problem for your success in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways). To me, Pacifica is seen as a problem because you are bringing (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) grudges, allied (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) allies and most importantly, are now allied to literally every single rival t$ has had over the past year. You have done so by choice of your own, and I would be neglecting my duties as a leader to my alliance if I were to ignore that threat. That however, has nothing to do with any of the things you claim: NPO is no victim there. It's pure political positioning and as IC as it gets.
6. You attempted to clear up the rationale, yet until my talk with MrHat yesterday, I received 0 proof of anything. And frankly. I know how this game works. I know how (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) works. CB's are very, very easy to create. Your CB there revolves around two single OWF posts and some poaching. When presented with the latter, your direct reply was 'GOOD A CB' (I have a log there). That does not look like outrage. It looks like you were looking for something.
And even then, I am not arguing against your CB: You well may have had one and your intent may have been completely IC. Or it may not have been. Here's my problem: I am to choose whether to believe your version of events, or whether to trust gut instinct on it. It all looks hella suspicious and there is no way of knowing whether the CB's were manufactured or whether they were legit. I have no way of knowing whether 'For Steve' was deliberate, or whether it was a joke gone bad. I have no way of knowing whether your cropping of the chim log was deliberate, or whether it was ill- thought out.
If you had not yet noticed: After I made the other thread and posted in it a few times (and in this one) I sat back for a day or two to simply observe your interaction with the world, and the rationale you put out before hopping back in. The observations made have been eye opening. Thank you for that insight.
I read all of that....and no gif?
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Pretty sure if we had an actual spy we would have something more definitive than one screenshot
No, bugger off honestly. Partisan already admitted he saw why we got on our toes over it. I'm not going to screen cap an entire topic. There is no context that would make them look good. I'm seriously done at this stage because you guys are too indoctrinated and you'll spin anything.Please do tell me more about this so called doctrine we are all following. I am all ears.
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I bet you felt real proud of yourself after making it. Did you give yourself a self-congratulatory pat on the back?
Of course I gave myself a pat on the back. You have been playing the part of a victim for days so I took a couple minutes of my time and gave you something to make it at least semi-official.
The least you could do is thank me.
Edit: Roq you just know it is poor form to post screenshots of forum discussions without the accompanying context and posts from persons who started the whole issue in the first place. Go on, I am sure you have them so feel free to post even more pictures gained from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways)'s forums before someone else does and makes you look foolish
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I banged Stannis Baratheon, and the shadow babies became secret MI6 bastions across Orbis.
Chim's identity as an old red crone confirmed.
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To be quite honest, I think everyone and anyone who reasonably views that screenshot of your forums knows full well you are implying tS is a threat. Only difference is you lack the balls to outright say it here now that you have been caught out and instead are deciding to play the victim card.
Might want to check the balance, I assume it might be running low.
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I mean, to be fair, I organized all of that myself. Obviously.
Did you sleep with your sister, niece, aunty or cousin to give birth to these unholy abominations which have become your descendants?
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I heard Rose and BK are branches of MI6 as well lmfao
that's probably why all three of these MI6 "crossovers" are all in the same sphere amirite?
It is like a convoluted inbred redneck MI6 family tree apparently. Never mind that guerrilla republik and by extension vanguard which Roq was a member of are also involved in it since cynic was one of the original tS founders and who also founded GR.
Cynic founded GR, GR became vanguard (notice a fair few of NPO's gov originate from vanguard), NPO splinters from vanguard, vanguard later merges into NPO.
Conclusion, NPO is an MI6 splinter
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It's not. You have a similar flag. Similar members. If anyone believes you when you say a few members, they're gullible as hell. You came over to tS from MI6 originally. Roy did and he was gov of MI6 by January. Manthrax did. Cynic did. List goes on.You're one of the biggest peddlers of warped narratives. It really isn't. The parallels with it and PW NPO are actually pretty close since tS is basically mainly comprised of MI6's closest allies at the time it was formed along with MI6. The whole "we have Sparta/TOP people" argument is funny for that reason.
You just refuse to accept arguments that don't fit your closed mindset.
Truly and utterly incredible the limits you will go to so as to warp outright falsehoods to suit your own narrative.
I am actually amused now, please tell me more how tS is a clone of MI6 and similar to the branches of NPO in that regards.
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I think this ends up becoming a double standard because a lot of these alliances won't have (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) names but will have (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) roots but will receive light treatment ie. the tS/MI6 comparison attracts a lot of ire despite an equal amount of crossover while NPO/NPO is seen as acceptable. I'm not in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) NPO and was historically opposed to it until maybe 2 years ago and several high gov are non-(That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) NPO. A lot of the members are not either. We were going to draw more upon the community but it wouldn't be exactly the same as other iterations.
An equal amount of crossover? Kidding me? I responded to something similar within the NPO embassy on tS' boards so I will just paste my response here since it is essentially the same but to say tS has as much crossover with MI6 as the two branches of NPO share is blatantly ridiculous and you really are just repeating it over and over to suit your own twisted and warped narrative. Which is nothing new.
The ironic thing is that we are being labelled as being similar to a (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) alliance despite the differences manny listed by members of an alliance who are nearly cloned upon their (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) progenitor. Same emperor, a few members in both governments, a substantially similar membership, same flag, same name, same alliance theme, same alliance structure, same treaties and so on including repeating the same statements about certain individuals in both games. I am too lazy to check but I presume even the charters are even similar.What makes it even more ironic is that's few of these cloned concepts, particularly the alliance theme were actually brought into (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) from nation states in an invasion more than ten years ago by the pacific nations in NS.Compare tS and besides a few members you won't find a single thing in common with MI6. How much proof does PnW NPO actually need? -
I don't believe anyone is attempting to make NPO look like the " bad guys". People are just calling it as they see it from my perspective, personally I would label you as attempting to play the victim but failing terribly at it which is a surprise because you usually are so good at it.
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No, you're being obtuse here as usual, Charles. You're not really good at this.
The topic was posted after threats issued by Chimaera on the (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) forumsof retaliation here and Partisan's statement about fates being sealed over here with militarization by some alliances happening the next day. The topic didn't go up until the 8th or 9th well after those two events happened. We used a general threat because it was easier to frame it that way to new players and we didn't need to go into P&W jargon. I don't feel the sentiment expressed in the screenshot is necessarily exclusive to the Syndicate and mentioned an undercurrent of anti-NPO thought.
1. The cropped log of chim used within the recruitment screenshot didn't occur on the (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) forums, it occurred in a channel unrelated to (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) as far as I understand.
2. This topic is based upon PnW NPO recruiting from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) NPO branch using the cropped and manipulated log image in order to combat an alleged threat here whilst outright and deliberately manipulating information presented within the cropped image to suit your own agenda.
3. All of your logs and quotes are from forums, games and irc channels totally unrelated to PnW and thus have no relevance here.
tldr: quit it
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There is proof actually and I've only edited the names of two alliances. I would rather not start putting more people who have a presence here on the spot since it refers to at least one alliance that has one. One of the posts cited is by an MI6 gov member who doesn't play PW as far as I know.
I don't get it.
Partisan provides a screenshot gained from NPO's forums recruiting (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) members for a war against a mysterious "threat" in PnW who you and nobody else from NPO can name and that is somehow bad because it involves (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) within a PnW related context.
You then provide at my last count 3 or 4 logs and quotes from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) related channels which have nothing to do with PnW but that is fine?
The narrative you are attempting to portray is slipping.
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I am actually impressed, you presume too much in your presumptions, mostly for reasons of convenience so as to suit your own narrative in regards to how other alliances work internally and view NPO but that's understandable given your particular viewpoint. Other than that it was a pretty good response.First off, i'm pretty sure that NPO was on t$ radar before this. If we weren't... Well i'd question your competence a good bit. Anyone that doesn't have plan for alliances not allied to them, or doesn't keep tabs on them, must be wildly incompetent. Also, I assume any *important* things you guys do in relation to NPO would be done and known by only Gov people. Which you are not (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not really sure why something in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) would change policies here... Pretty OOC... I have no comments about the treaties.
In relation to us asking for inactive farm nations... Heh. If we were asking for inactive farm nations, we would not be doing our rigorous application process, and instead would just let anyone in. We have not done anything in relation to getting "inactive farm nations". Being a member of the NPO, I really do not find LoD's post to be particularly out of the ordinary.
You are also not an active government member, and so would not be privy to the information that the government does have, which is a lot more important than any you might have access to.
Actually pretty easy to think in abstract in regards to separating names and faces from that of an alliance/organisation if I have properly understood the meaning you are attempting to convey, is a tad bit unclear so apologies if I have misunderstood your post. Plus, you really are in no position to tell me how my opinion of a person affects my view of an alliance, I know it makes it easier for your narrative to claim as much but in this case you are incorrect in your presumption.
I agree with you. I am not in a position to be telling you how your opinion of a person affects your views of an alliance. However, Psychology does. A basic understanding of Psychology and how things work would tell you that you DO have a bias. If every time I saw you, I kicked you in the genitals, you would subconsciously guard your genitals when you were near me or in the place where it happens. Same applies to how you interact with others. When you've dealt with them in a nasty, fighting manner, you will subconsciously make that type of situation happen again, in other places.
I try
But Chim isn't really an outsider. He is a member of t$ and so privy to hearing all the private stuff you don't want others to hear. So he gets what you guys feel, and it must be pretty strong for such little interaction. And he said people in general, but we know that's Syndisphere. People don't generally talk to others in different alliances... And if so, they talk to allies. And this is further reinforced by his inactivity.
Well, first you might add some content and try to counter my points.
Will repeat what buor said though and provide some context on NPO and radar. NPO right now is simply untested and unproven. You have a small former core of former vanguard members who presumably know how to fight in a war and I assume a stack of guides for the rest of your membership whose experience would be mostly against raiders. Now, you are rather accomplished in gaining treaties however until you actually prove your worth in a decent war, you simply aren't going to be viewed as significant in the greater scheme of things compared to your allies who have proven their capabilities over an extensive time period.
Also, just to be clear if we apply your logic regarding chim to your own posts, do NPO believe chim speaks for the syndicate and that this cropped log indicates tS intent towards NPO? If the words of chim represent tS then presumably the narrative you are presenting represents NPO's policies? Or does NPO's own gov establish NPO policies like most alliances in this game?
Also, leave my genitals alone
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I know it can be hard for some people to think as abstract as an organization or an alliance, so they have to give it a face and a person. Make it more concrete. Bearing this in mind, the opinion you have of Roquentin absolutely affects your views of an alliance.
Actually pretty easy to think in abstract in regards to separating names and faces from that of an alliance/organisation if I have properly understood the meaning you are attempting to convey, is a tad bit unclear so apologies if I have misunderstood your post. Plus, you really are in no position to tell me how my opinion of a person affects my view of an alliance, I know it makes it easier for your narrative to claim as much but in this case you are incorrect in your presumption.
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Imperial Decree - Polaris
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