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1 hour ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Should have stuck around longer than a week then I suppose.

The cost of the rebuild exceeds your contributions to the alliance.

Ah... 180 m > 225m, math.

[[Cancellation]]

5 minutes ago, BettaChecka said:

You have been banned from both Cataclysm... and Arrgh of all places..

Arrgh? Yo... Sam is the only dude who does not want me there. He'd banned like 10-20 members already.

[[Cancellation]]

2 minutes ago, chad said:

So your allegations is where too based  since we steal banks we don't rebuild 5/5s and we fought a losing war correct. Your slate of arguments keep getting more and more convoluted so I'm trying to keep up.

You want proof, lemme go get it from discord rq,

Tell me, what happened to the goddamn money that everybody had? LOL Where did all that money in the bank go? Did it just disappear?

If anyone wants some context, the alliance I was in earlier disbanded. When everyone wanted to withdraw money, they didn't want to give it to anybody unless they join an alliance in 24 hours. This meant that any and all members that were inactive for the day would lose their money. It's noted that alliances rarely accept applications in 24 hours, and not everybody can apply within an hour or two.

Next thing we know, every government official that was in this alliance, went to Cataclysm, someone like Saikat or Ashok (idk if he's in the alliance). I had no problem being in this specific alliance since their policies weren't 40/40 while their builds make it 80/80. The problem is... What happened to the money? Somebody took it. It didn't just disappear because Alex said so.

Idc about Cataclysm, it was the fastest choice to get my money (ended up losing 180 million ironically). The reason we disbanded was because, "We will gain experience and develope there and re make  this alliance again" which I don't think this is the case, otherwise we'd just join Rose or something.

If you're talking about tips, who you talking to? I've applied to like 20 alliances, I left 80% of them because of policies, and I left 10% of them because of disagreements such as builds (making me pay double taxes) and your alliance is one of two alliances that has BANNED me.

Anyone who's asking about double taxation, some alliances force you into a build such as aluminum factories while you may not have bauxite mines. These alliances force you to buy your own bauxite, which with 40/40, imagine having only 60% of that money, then putting that 60% and buying bauxite, reducing to 24% profit, or 76% tax rate. And if you get bauxite from your alliance, you also have to pay that OFF.

Just now, Charles Bolivar said:

I wish my damages were limited to a couple hundred million every war 😂

I wish my damages were paid by war rebuilds

[[Cancellation]]

Just now, His Holy Decagon said:

I, I can't keep interacting with this lol. We banned you, probably for the same reasons that your former AA's have apparently have as well. I regret we didn't listen to the tipoff we got regarding another AA's experience with you, but I would probably pass the same message on to those whom would consider taking you in. I can't really entertain this though, it's beyond what even makes sense in a funny way. Good luck mate

Btw, I've never been banned from an alliance btw. I'd just leave, some alliances force you to pay double taxes, etc.

[[Cancellation]]

Just now, His Holy Decagon said:

We have essentially 0 raiders in CATA. Not sure if the 30 members in our alliance is referencing total members, or how many raiders we have, but both assumptions on my end into what you mean, would leave this as an incorrect answer. Again, where would I magically pull this money/resources for you, on 5/5, to go and fight from? Most of us are on far higher taxes, and that's given back via cities, projects, warchest, rebuild, etc. You can't basically opt out of paying taxes and then expect to... receive tax money from others?

 

I think you're missing the point that I've said- you didn't pay taxes, so where would I get this magical stuff that you're feeling you're entitled to?

 

CATA is the only non raiding alliance that doesn't pay for rebuilds? Mate, I pay for far more than that, to those who pay taxes lol, I don't know what you're on about. You were the only person in our entire alliance that wanted to opt out of taxes. If what you're saying is accurate, I wonder how the other 90 some CATA members are handling this riveting

 

I'd imagine that you aren't sure who is even fighting to be honest, nor who this 1v3 is lol. Feel free to explain who all is fighting from your PoV.
 

 

Nope, I'm not misunderstanding anything. So, we're an alliance, that makes other alliances, and we steal from 1 day inactive members? 

Ah... I paid taxes to get raided. You probably don't know what that means. When you say that you pay more to those who pay taxes, you're telling me you somehow have more money to spend than what your members produced. Yup, where did the other money come from? (stealing money)

And yeah, y'all just steal money from people who are inactive. What happened to the bank that everybody deposited? I don't even remember what that alliance is called, but remember disbanding an alliance because, "no govt experience"? Sucks man, how much money y'all steal?

And you guy's are struggling to beat Eclipse, and other alliances like immortal. And they're aren't even trying to raid us. 😐

Speaking of entitlement, idk what the hell you talking about entitlement, I just think your government is crap and they don't even have a war plan. . I mean, look at your discord messages in that Econ channel, what have I been complaining about? I think we're entitled to a good government that doesn't make mistake after mistake. Y'all would've been better doing nothing rather than making some imaginary treaty with TKR.

[[Cancellation]]

1 hour ago, His Holy Decagon said:

Taxes aren’t a payment we hold for you, and a fully militarized c18 that joins CATA on 5/5 for 10 days, pays 8 days of that. You’re severely over estimating your “contribution” and viewing it as some volunteer thing. They’re taxes. No alliance in the game loses a member and digs up their tax records and returns that to them- at that point, how could an alliance do anything at all other than function as a bank? Idk why I’m continuing with this tbh, lol.

I think maybe you're misunderstanding what kind of alliance we are? It seems as if you might believe we're some form of pirates or mercenaries? I'm being totally serious when I say this, but if I'm correct, that probably explains a lot

Go pay for my damages, 180million for 253 million in damages. For someone who brags about making 200m every day, it's amazing that you got 253 million dollars in free damages, and act like I'm "over estimating" I'm just one person. How many raiders do you have again? 10? 20? maybe even 30 members are in your alliance? That's already 6 billion in damages that YOU DO NOT PAY. Why are you justifying this? You got free damages to your enemies, while you don't pay a dime.

Please stop justifying about "contribution" because go pay for my damages and then talk about "contribution" No alliance in the game will just go to war and make their members lose 200m each, while dealing 300m AND PAY CRAP.

You're the only alliance that ISN'T A RAIDING ALLIANCE that does NOT PAY WAR REBUILDS. So we needa stop justifying anything. Like it's never your alliance's fault. We don't pay 5/5 just to get into your god damn wars and losing 200m when you can just NOT BE IN AN ALLIANCE and maybe lose 10-20m once in a little while.

I think maybe you're misunderstanding what your alliance is? It's a predatory alliance that makes other alliances and steals money from members who are inactive for more than a day. Out of any alliance, you guys brag about having 100% win rates against small alliances like The Legion.

Imagine losing against one alliance despite having TKR as your ally. It's sad that in a 1v3 situation, y'all managed to lose your goddamn wars against Eclipse. Finally fighting against bigger alliances huh?

2 hours ago, His Holy Decagon said:

Taxes aren’t a payment we hold for you, and a fully militarized c18 that joins CATA on 5/5 for 10 days, pays 8 days of that. You’re severely over estimating your “contribution” and viewing it as some volunteer thing. They’re taxes. No alliance in the game loses a member and digs up their tax records and returns that to them- at that point, how could an alliance do anything at all other than function as a bank? Idk why I’m continuing with this tbh, lol.

I think maybe you're misunderstanding what kind of alliance we are? It seems as if you might believe we're some form of pirates or mercenaries? I'm being totally serious when I say this, but if I'm correct, that probably explains a lot

Oh yeah! I forgot to mention. After I did all that damage, I also got kicked afterward!

[[Cancellation]]

On 11/17/2022 at 5:51 PM, Jacob Knox said:

Cata may be my enemy in this war, but I'm like 95% sure Cata gov would not have told you to declare 5 offensive wars after being defensively slotted. So I'd say that damage is probably more on you.

There's a reason why I didn't hit 300 million in damages, it's because I decided to hit 5 people and gained 100m free loot while doing more damage to them afterward. I was already war-slotted so somebody gotta pay for my damages. It's also noted that you guys don't pay crap to people who participate in wars. We pay you 5/5 to get us into wars and make us lose 200m each . Btw, we don't get refunded because some bull crap policies y'all got.

AND, I couldn't leave since that would be, "war dodging" nor could I stay because I would lose another 200 million on top of that. Therefore, I wanted y'all to kick me out. You guy's love to use paper to force people to do stuff, but steal people's money even if you guys owe money in paper.

On 11/17/2022 at 5:00 AM, His Holy Decagon said:

Only going to say that it’s hilarious you took this wildly incorrect and infactual view to the forums lol. A member (now former) of CATA for a whopping week and he knows the ins and outs at the top level, haha.

 

And it is true. I don’t rebuild nations that pay 5/5

Nor do you pay for people doing damage for you guys .

[[Cancellation]]

T$ is right, Cataclysm hit without any preparation. They legitimately do not care about their allies OR their members. We sent 5 goddamn members, and we suddenly got 100-200 wars because the high gov does not care about us members. I lost 200 mill on this goddamn alliance, AND to top it off, WE DO NOT GET REBUILD AS 5/5. They took our bank money from disbanding an alliance because of "bad government, " meaning they took billions of free dollars from OUR MEMBERS.

They could've waited 1-2 days, then we would've easily swept the floor against Eclipse. But NO, Cataclysm attacked first, then called it, "Defending our allies" without any notification, 0 militarization, and we have one of the WORSE war plans ever. I won't reveal any war plans, but I'll say that CATACLYSM DEFENDED TKR BECAUSE TKR DEFENDED THEM AGAINST ECLIPSE, there was no treaty, nothing like that. To say that T$ had an obligation to defend Cataclysm, well when you ruined every member, every war plan, every alliance for some random war, AND BTW WE PLANNED TO ATTACK ECLIPSE because of some incriminating evidence against them. (or so they say), but btw T$ is obligated to protect us since we wanted a war.

If y'all want proof, go look at my AAleave history, and go look at cataclysm chat in ECON, (I hope they don't delete that crap).

So when we hear, "T$ is supposed to protect Cataclysm", did we also account for that "Cataclysm wanted to attack Eclipse"? That same alliance disbanded... everybody was basically forced to join Cataclysm. There was barely any time to leave the alliance and find another one.

There are 50+ more reasons why I support T$ on this issue, but I don't believe that Eclipse just coincidentally attacked us either.

6 hours ago, His Holy Decagon said:

You joined Paradise- also allied to t$

Although I agree with you in hindsight, the irony is you sort of never left lol.

Decagon, keep saying that T$ betrayed y'all because y'all don't really care about them or anybody except your cycle members. Nobody wants to lose 200m on your bs war as I did, then get kicked for complaining about it as I did. Btw, I don't get war rebuilds for helping you guys win.

(None of this is sensitive information since they didn't classify it. )

Keep the copium...

Naterian

 

EDIT: TL;DR

We disbanded a connected alliance, took people's money, justified it, then for one week, we planned to attack Eclipse, TKR got attacked instead because it was leaked, (they accused T$ of leaking their "WAR PLANS"), then we defend TKR suddenly out of nowhere by sending 5 players, btw in that war plan, only three alliances knew, TKR, T$, and Cata. T$ was basically forced to join. We then complain that all this is T$'s fault for not joining our wars. Now we're losing.

I'm just simplifying what Cata leader said in their discord, (this isn't leaked information since it wasn't classified, nor does it impede anyone's war or trade secret. I'm just saying who's at fault again?). We're giving a totally different story in this forum. Whether or not you guys trust me, go read the discord logs. I'll even give my war results. I hope Eclipse wins.

[More projects on rss]

We should get resource projects for mining. We got uranium enrichment, or refinement projects, but we don't have mining projects.

[War Slotting Blockaded]

On 7/8/2020 at 12:27 PM, Alex said:

What wars specifically are you reporting?

Declaring war on other nations isn't against the rules. If they're intentionally filling your slots to prevent others from attacking you, that could be war slot filling, but attacking you while also blockading you isn't inherently against the rules.

 

[War Slotting Blockaded]

So infinitely raiding someone until beige then not raiding until beige is over in order to have other members attack again? When i remember correctly, war slotting is basically taking up slots with the intention of not fighting means that even if someone raids me, they can't infintely blockage me with an intent of not properly attacking. the rule never stats that it has to help or does not help the defender, "Declaring war on a nation without the intention of fighting them is punishable by a nation strike and additional punishment for multiple violation",

this quote shows that it doesn't matter if it helps or does not help the defender. So basically, they aren't allowed to blockade and not attack for the purpose of giving other attackers an advantage. Unless, I'm wrong and the rules specifically apply to helping the defending using war slots, and doesnt apply to attackers gaining a blockade advantage.

the rest of the rules are examples of war slotting.

 

[War Slotting Blockaded]

 

Alliance: The Knights Radiant

Broken rules: War slotting in use to blockading people.

 

The whole entire week, they've been war slotting me and blocking my resources which makes it impossible to fight against our attackers and then having only one person to block our resources then attacking all over again. Please do something about this because it makes the game unplayable, unless blockading is nerfed, it makes the entire game impossible to play. In fact probably useless to play since you have literally no options to defend yourself. Imagine a game where when you attack, you cant defend. After all, the rule applies only if it has moderation discretion meaning that the rules only apply if moderation says so.

[War Slotting Blockaded]

 

Alliance: The Knights Radiant

Broken rules: War slotting in use to blockading people.

 

The whole entire week, they've been war slotting me and blocking my resources which makes it impossible to fight against our attackers and then having only one person to block our resources then attacking all over again. Please do something about this because it makes the game unplayable, unless blockading is nerfed, it makes the entire game impossible to play. In fact probably useless to play since you have literally no options to defend yourself. Imagine a game where when you attack, you cant defend. After all, the rule applies only if it has moderation discretion meaning that the rules only apply if moderation says so.