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big alliances are stronger and mighter!

 

look at the cybernations. the npo is biggest alliance there and has most members!

 

more members = better

NPO also has many highly skilled players that have been playing that game for over half a decade. They weren't always the largest or most powerful as well, "elite" AAs ruled (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) for a while.

 

It's just a different take on game. Most new players won't be accepted into the elite AAs, mass membership AAs give people a place to start, and those that stick around are just as good as the members from elite AAs.

 

Looking at the top tiers of UPN and VE(two biggest mass membership AAs), those players tend to be pretty good in their own right, but naturally there are players who play the game more casually, and we are okay with that. Don't expect 100% participation on a blitz, but I think tS and TeST can agree mass membership AAs can still pack a punch. 

 

Both have their place in the game, just as neutrals have theirs. 

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NPO also has many highly skilled players that have been playing that game for over half a decade. They weren't always the largest or most powerful as well, "elite" AAs ruled (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) for a while.

 

It's just a different take on game. Most new players won't be accepted into the elite AAs, mass membership AAs give people a place to start, and those that stick around are just as good as the members from elite AAs.

 

Looking at the top tiers of UPN and VE(two biggest mass membership AAs), those players tend to be pretty good in their own right, but naturally there are players who play the game more casually, and we are okay with that. Don't expect 100% participation on a blitz, but I think tS and TeST can agree mass membership AAs can still pack a punch. 

 

Both have their place in the game, just as neutrals have theirs. 

so better modals is to get active members and lots of members? which is like mass recuiting exactly?

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so better modals is to get active members and lots of members? which is like mass recuiting exactly?

Mass recruiting with an effective academy to weed out idiots and pixel huggers is usually the best method of keeping an alliance effective long term. Can confirm due to being in NPO for several years and being apart of exactly that method. 

 

 

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Elite alliances generally are harder to keep around though.

 

Mass alliances do usually seem to survive a little longer and a little better.

 

I am a middle man, so the Rose/tS alliances are the ones I prefer. I join some of the others however to shake it up a bit.

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Both have their place in the game, just as neutrals have theirs. 

 

 

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Elitist alliances, or selective alliances as I would prefer to call them, are naturally superior. Each member can be relied on to be active, knowledgeable and self sufficient. Depending on standards, they can also be well organised.

 

Most wars are about slot effectiveness. A well organised but small alliance can do better than a bloated whale for exactly this reason.

 

In the recent war, I fought four enemies in the first wave. Two of them were reasonably decent (average really, they had both lost from the first battle but they were at least capable of annoying me) and two were semi active and I used them as farms.

 

BoC is a recruiting alliance and as a result it ends up full of pixel huggers. Alliances like TEST, Guardian, Mensa, SK, Alpha etc are very selective and do the best in wars generally speaking.

 

The next best are alliances which whilst they have a lower tier, tend to have a strong, selective upper tier and are selective recruiting new members. Like the Syndicate, or to a lesser extent Rose.

 

The weakest alliances militarily speaking are the blob alliances like UPN, BoC, even VE in the lower tiers. BK, Roz Wei and Arrgh have some strong members, but I bet even they will admit a lot of their membership is padding.

I think you're misinterpreting syndicate policies :P.

 

We have a lower tier of sorts because we bring in elite blood from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) alliances. It's similar to mensa in that regard. In addition our political standing leads to regular applications from elite players.

 

We do not engage in in-game recruitment beyond word-of-mouth.

 

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Well what I was suggesting was that Syndicate and Rose are in between, in that they do recruit, but not as a matter of course. There's a standing debate in Mensa about whether we'd ever accept "outsiders" into the alliance, and I think the consensus is that we'd only accept people who were personally vouched for, and maybe after several months of interaction- in other words, friendly alliance leadership are pretty much the only people Pfeiffer would trust.

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BK, Roz Wei and Arrgh have some strong members, but I bet even they will admit a lot of their membership is padding.

 

 

can confirm

 

Can also confirm.

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DEIC did something that I thought was really cool. They had a secondary alliance that mass recruited new members. Then the members would "graduate" and go to DEIC.

 

That's a pretty good system. You get to mass recruit and can sort out all the active players into the main alliance. DEIC discontinued it, but I wish another alliance would attempt to do it. Would be interesting to see what happens.

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BK, Roz Wei and Arrgh have some strong members, but I bet even they will admit a lot of their membership is padding.

 

can confirm

 

 

Those tax shekels tho.

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Elite alliances generally are harder to keep around though.

 

Mass alliances do usually seem to survive a little longer and a little better.

 

I am a middle man, so the Rose/tS alliances are the ones I prefer. I join some of the others however to shake it up a bit.

Pretty much this. I like to strive for a balance of sorts.
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Muh meat shields and tax farms.

 

We definitely have our share of retarded members but that's what comes with mass member alliances. It's fairly entertaining.

 

We do actively boot members who do not follow orders, do not have war chests, are complete idiots, or inactive, but we have much lower standards that other 'elite' alliances.

 

I think our performance last war was actually pretty good. We obviously have things to work on but we're aware of those and the disadvantages of mass members alliances and we're constantly working on those.

 

I'd probably be bored shitless if I was in a small 'elite' alliance during peace time.

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I'm against the distinction that either is better. For me, what's best is the one I have the most joy playing with. If I were to join TLF and have fun, that's better than me being in mensa and being miserable. And that doesn't mean either is "better" or "worse". If you have different purposes then what's perceived as better is different all together. I mean its easy to shit on an alliance that has few active members or a worse military mobility than it is for someone to shit on an alliance with members who'd never abandon their alliance because their alliance gives them joy and purpose, but this can be the exact same alliance.

It might be hippie or whatever to say it but if I see an alliance be less adapt at winning a war but more adapt at having a diverse alliance or activating their members to actively help the alliance then what's to say the winning wars is better than that?

 

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I'd probably be bored shitless if I was in a small 'elite' alliance during peace time.

That is a issue, but I think it's more in regards how the game is set up.

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The advantage of being in a mass alliance, is that every new member we bring in can become the next leader of VE.  New members keep things fresh, and bring in new opinions and views into the alliance.  Do we get 10 slackers for every good member? sure, but that is the investment we are willing to make.

 

When you are an elitist alliance, you have your members, and that's it, there isn't much room for growth, so really you hope someone good wants to join your alliance, or you slowly bleed members, or lose guys to inactivity.

 

Will an elitist alliance perform better in a war on a per member basis?  Of course they will.

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I've already made my opinion on this, but one more thing to add, a good alliance should be greater than a war machine, now im not crying for world peace in a game, but I am government in a micro, which would be described as mass, but we have a lot of members, and inactives don't hurt us, as well as our stronger nations have different war ranges for a reason, so the nations there fighting agianst should be close to the same level, so the masses can have there fun with lowers, and the elites can fight higher

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To be fair probably 70%-90% of Mensa would be capable of leading an alliance, organising wars and managing FA. So we don't really need to worry about recruiting new alliance leaders. Besides, Pfeiffer is unlikely to ever quit.

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To be fair probably 70%-90% of Mensa would be capable of leading an alliance, organising wars and managing FA. So we don't really need to worry about recruiting new alliance leaders. Besides, Pfeiffer is unlikely to ever quit.

 

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To be fair probably 70%-90% of Mensa would be capable of leading an alliance, organising wars and managing FA. So we don't really need to worry about recruiting new alliance leaders. Besides, Pfeiffer is unlikely to ever quit.

then let 70-90% of Mensa run an alliance, i guarantee 70-90% of their alliances will fail 

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